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Friday 15th September 2017
Morning all.
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Good-morning, everyone
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Look for government reports, quiet announcements and stealthy policy coming out this afternoonRemember, it's Friday
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Labour the only party to retain a seat in last night's by-elections
Tory loss to Ind
UKIP loss to Tory
Tory loss to Ind
UKIP loss to Tory
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Good morfternoon.
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May I get you tea or coffee this morning, PorFavor?PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.
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The above come in very handy in "Brexitland".Academics uncover 30 words 'lost' from English language
A few of the 'lost' words
Nickum A cheating or dishonest person
Peacockize To behave like a peacock; esp. to pose or strut ostentatiously
Rouzy-bouzy Boisterously drunk
Ruff To swagger, bluster, domineer. To ruff it out / to brag or boast of a thing
Tremblable Causing dread or horror; dreadful
Awhape To amaze, stupefy with fear, confound utterly
University of York/Privilege (BBC News website)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41266000
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Tea, please. Strong, milk, and one and a half sugars. Thank you.citizenJA wrote:May I get you tea or coffee this morning, PorFavor?PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.
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When's Fanny Fanackapan off to Italy? I've forgotten already.
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Thankfully it seems like no deaths in the latest London idiocy.
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A what?JD Wetherspoon boss: EU leaders should take a 'wise-up pill' on Brexit (Guardian)
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Can't she stay there?PorFavor wrote:When's Fanny Fanackapan off to Italy? I've forgotten already.
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sorry for the delay, I apologise for any inconveniencePorFavor wrote:Tea, please. Strong, milk, and one and a half sugars. Thank you.citizenJA wrote:May I get you tea or coffee this morning, PorFavor?PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.
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@citizenJA
Has normal service now been resumed?
Has normal service now been resumed?
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Project tendering, opening public services up to private companies, are rewards given the aristocracy from their monarch.
Privatisation is nothing more than bestowing revenue streams to a few who don't work or create anything.
Privatisation is nothing more than bestowing revenue streams to a few who don't work or create anything.
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Until the next chore come hollering through the windaPorFavor wrote:@citizenJA
Has normal service now been resumed?
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It's a long way to go for what frankly must be quite a brief update.May will speak in the historic Italian city on Friday 22 September “to update on Brexit negotiations so far”, the prime minister’s spokesman said.
The last time we were agonising over a big speech form her Mayship was when she announced the election.
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In other news, Cassini will self-destruct in just over half an hour.
Humanity does have some god sides doesn't it?
Humanity does have some god sides doesn't it?
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Thanks.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:It's a long way to go for what frankly must be quite a brief update.May will speak in the historic Italian city on Friday 22 September “to update on Brexit negotiations so far”, the prime minister’s spokesman said.
The last time we were agonising over a big speech form her Mayship was when she announced the election.
Still no news (that I can unearth) as to the lucky attendees. I expect she's playing it "close to her chest".
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She's gone there to look at property as a holiday homePorFavor wrote:Thanks.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:It's a long way to go for what frankly must be quite a brief update.May will speak in the historic Italian city on Friday 22 September “to update on Brexit negotiations so far”, the prime minister’s spokesman said.
The last time we were agonising over a big speech form her Mayship was when she announced the election.
Still no news (that I can unearth) as to the lucky attendees. I expect she's playing it "close to her chest".
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Retirement home hopefullycitizenJA wrote:She's gone there to look at property as a holiday homePorFavor wrote:Thanks.
Still no news (that I can unearth) as to the lucky attendees. I expect she's playing it "close to her chest".
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Part 3 of Dunt's soft brexit explainer.
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/09 ... exit-part3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This comment btl caught my eye.
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This comment btl caught my eye.
My bold.we're making lousy decisions and heading for lousy results because we have a lousy political culture.
Sadly, the politicians who understand the virtues of compromise tend to be those who have been around long enough to gain some wisdom - and to have made bad mistakes for which they are discredited. The Lib Dems talk sense about Europe, but after their mistakes in Coalition, few listen. Blair has understood the need for compromise on immigration if we are to stay in the EU (or the EEA), but after Iraq, nobody wants to hear from Blair, either.
Meanwhile May and Davis blunder forward, seemingly believing that the more ridicule they attract, the more confident they can be. What are they really playing at? I would contend that it's a blame game. First, negotiate appallingly with the EU. Wind the EU guys up to the point at which they make intemperate comments, and then pick a fight with them. Make sure that the EU are clearly in the right, so that Labour can be persuaded to side with the foreigners, as Starmer has already done over the transition arrangements. Then when Brexit goes pear-shaped, blame Labour for everything, and seek to win the next election on that basis.
After all, it's a better bet for the Tories than seriously trying to make Brexit a success. It won't be, however well it is planned. So instead of seeking credit for governing successfully, why not just govern badly, and then play a blame game? Labour have long been kept as permanent residents in the Tory doghouse, pilloried for pacifism, overspending, statism, cowardice, in fact just about any charge that can be made to stick, if you repeat it slavishly every day in tabloid newspapers. Labour are about to be the designated fall guys for a failed Brexit next.
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Far too pessimistic IMO. If the fallout from 2007-08 taught us anything, its that the sitting government gets it in the neck when things really go bad even if its not mainly their fault.
Tories won't get away with a catastrophic "hard" Brexit by blaming their opponents and perfidious foreigners.
Tories won't get away with a catastrophic "hard" Brexit by blaming their opponents and perfidious foreigners.
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Tories like themselves and power so much they'll harm nation and people, lie about responsibility on that scale, in order to 'win' in tabloids and continue in government?
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I certainly hope so. Tory government have created this mess and show no signs of responsible action. Theresa May asked pardon from the 1922 Committee. She didn't pay much attention to the electorate depriving her of any mandate for her Tory Brexit beyond peevish noises too many young people voted the wrong way.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Far too pessimistic IMO. If the fallout from 2007-08 taught us anything, its that the sitting government gets it in the neck when things really go bad even if its not mainly their fault.
Tories won't get away with a catastrophic "hard" Brexit by blaming their opponents and perfidious foreigners.
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I agree up to a point - but the "perfidious foreigners" might just be their ace in the hole. I hope not.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Far too pessimistic IMO. If the fallout from 2007-08 taught us anything, its that the sitting government gets it in the neck when things really go bad even if its not mainly their fault.
Tories won't get away with a catastrophic "hard" Brexit by blaming their opponents and perfidious foreigners.
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It might be enough to turn crushing defeat into something vaguely respectable, perhaps.
Linked to this, of course, is the fact the bedrock of their support - elderly, faithful newspaper readers - slowly but surely diminishes in number month by month.
Linked to this, of course, is the fact the bedrock of their support - elderly, faithful newspaper readers - slowly but surely diminishes in number month by month.
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Entitlement culture confirmed with not far off 13million left unclaimed,just in means tested.
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One hopes that if this is the plan, it won't succeed.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Far too pessimistic IMO. If the fallout from 2007-08 taught us anything, its that the sitting government gets it in the neck when things really go bad even if its not mainly their fault.
Tories won't get away with a catastrophic "hard" Brexit by blaming their opponents and perfidious foreigners.
I'd hesitate to draw a line about what they can get away with, they're already so far beyond any situation I could have conceived of in the past.
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Hillsborough 96 to be awarded freedom of Wirral in tribute to victims and campaigners
Wallasey Town Hall's riverside gardens will be dedicated as a tribute to the 96 and those who have led the justice campaign
Hillsborough 96 to be awarded freedom of Wirral in tribute to victims and campaigners
Wallasey Town Hall's riverside gardens will be dedicated as a tribute to the 96 and those who have led the justice campaign
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Fairer funding system to end 'postcode lottery' for schools
Fairer funding system to end 'postcode lottery' for schools
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Primary assessment in England
Summary of the responses we received, along with the government’s response outlining the next steps.
An impact assessment is also available
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... assessment" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Primary assessment in England
Summary of the responses we received, along with the government’s response outlining the next steps.
An impact assessment is also available
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Schools national funding formula: stage 2
Government response to the consultation, including a summary of responses received and details of next steps.
Schools national funding formula: stage 2
Government response to the consultation, including a summary of responses received and details of next steps.
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Local government finance settlement 2018 to 2019: technical consultation
Local government finance settlement 2018 to 2019: technical consultation
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Academy trust transfers and grant funding
Academy trust transfers and grant funding
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Happy birthday to me.
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Guidance
ESA: outcomes of Work Capability Assessment policies and statements
Revised revised revised shake it all about and do the hokey pokey methodology statement.
Guidance
ESA: outcomes of Work Capability Assessment policies and statements
Revised revised revised shake it all about and do the hokey pokey methodology statement.
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Happy 37th, you young whippersnapperrefitman wrote:Happy birthday to me.
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Happy birthday!
Happy birthday!
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Happy Birthday to Refitman,apologies for not spotting.In my defence I am on manoeuvres and contact is sporadic.Thanks for your continued efforts.
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Mr citizen & cJA wish you a happy birthday!refitman wrote:Happy birthday to me.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... sky-brexitLucky us – it’s an offer we can’t refuse from the Murdochs
Marina Hyde (Guardian)
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universal-credit-total-disarray-labour
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Debbie Abrahams, the shadow work and pensions secretary, said: “The government’s flagship universal credit programme is in total disarray. It is unacceptable that one in four claimants are waiting more than six weeks to receive support, alongside mounting debts and arrears among recipients.
“I have written to the secretary of state requesting that he immediately halt the roll-out of universal credit to contain the misery being caused by the disastrous mishandling of this programme.”
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No she bloody well didn't. She made a very anodyne comment, in a TV interview, which could have applied to anyone.Theresa May rebukes Donald Trump over tube bombing tweets
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... terrorists
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Just so's you know -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41288525Parsons Green: UK terror threat increased to critical after Tube bomb
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Three local council byelections yesterday:
West Dorset DC - Independent gain from Tory on a big swing with over half the vote after they had come a distant 4th and last two years ago. 2015 was the first post boundary change election and saw the Tories win both seats here after gaining the predecessor ward in 2011 after it had been shared between the LibDems and Indies (who on both seats 4 years earlier) in 2007. LibDems still came runners up last time, but along with the Greens who came a decent third absented themselves on this occasion - whilst a Labour candidate appeared in these parts for the first time this century, in those circumstances scoring over 14% maybe wasn't so bad.
Mid Devon DC - Tory gain from UKIP who took 2 of the three seats in this ward 2 years ago and topped the poll overall; but in an eloquent comment on their subsequent fall from grace, they did not even stand a candidate this time around. Tories modestly increased to 36% to win a competitive contest, comfortably ahead of an Independent who used to represent this patch - this seat split 2Ind/1Con in both 2007 and 2011 before UKIP took their seats in 2015 - but are still some way off their former strength here. Labour prevented an Independent clean sweep here back in 2003, and they had a healthy increase to 21% now and a close third place. LibDems 4th and last but with a respectable 18%, up on their previous showing in 2011.
Trafford - Labour hold in a safe ward which duly returned 3 councillors for them in the 2004 elections and has done so without fail ever since (even in 2008 it wasn't that close) with just under 65% of the vote and an increase of 26 points since last year, though this is exaggerated by an Independent standing and polling a good second in what is not normally promising territory for them - FWIW there was only a small pro-Labour swing compared to the 2015 figures. In the absence of any Indy challenge this time Tories also advanced by double figures, though there was still a swing to Labour of nearly 8% since last May overall. UKIP first of the also rans though their 4% was over two thirds down on previously, followed by the Greens and finally the LibDems with a not so mighty 1% - down two thirds on last time!
Three contests again next week.
West Dorset DC - Independent gain from Tory on a big swing with over half the vote after they had come a distant 4th and last two years ago. 2015 was the first post boundary change election and saw the Tories win both seats here after gaining the predecessor ward in 2011 after it had been shared between the LibDems and Indies (who on both seats 4 years earlier) in 2007. LibDems still came runners up last time, but along with the Greens who came a decent third absented themselves on this occasion - whilst a Labour candidate appeared in these parts for the first time this century, in those circumstances scoring over 14% maybe wasn't so bad.
Mid Devon DC - Tory gain from UKIP who took 2 of the three seats in this ward 2 years ago and topped the poll overall; but in an eloquent comment on their subsequent fall from grace, they did not even stand a candidate this time around. Tories modestly increased to 36% to win a competitive contest, comfortably ahead of an Independent who used to represent this patch - this seat split 2Ind/1Con in both 2007 and 2011 before UKIP took their seats in 2015 - but are still some way off their former strength here. Labour prevented an Independent clean sweep here back in 2003, and they had a healthy increase to 21% now and a close third place. LibDems 4th and last but with a respectable 18%, up on their previous showing in 2011.
Trafford - Labour hold in a safe ward which duly returned 3 councillors for them in the 2004 elections and has done so without fail ever since (even in 2008 it wasn't that close) with just under 65% of the vote and an increase of 26 points since last year, though this is exaggerated by an Independent standing and polling a good second in what is not normally promising territory for them - FWIW there was only a small pro-Labour swing compared to the 2015 figures. In the absence of any Indy challenge this time Tories also advanced by double figures, though there was still a swing to Labour of nearly 8% since last May overall. UKIP first of the also rans though their 4% was over two thirds down on previously, followed by the Greens and finally the LibDems with a not so mighty 1% - down two thirds on last time!
Three contests again next week.
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