Thursday 2nd November 2017
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#Paul Lewis
Govt has quietly announced that Class 2 self-employed NICS of £148 a year will NOT now be abolished from April 2018 but from April 2019.
Govt has quietly announced that Class 2 self-employed NICS of £148 a year will NOT now be abolished from April 2018 but from April 2019.
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And here I am. Glad someone can be depended upon . . .
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"someone"
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"OOOH hark at 'er"
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"What did you last slave die of?"
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I didn't know your cat played the clarinet.
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That's an oboe, I'll have you know.HindleA wrote:I didn't know your cat played the clarinet.
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Has the cat got a name or would it rather remain anonymous/on the run for tax evasion etc?
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https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/l ... -mps-hear/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Local NHS is blackmailing service-users into accepting unsafe care, MPs hear
research by disabled campaigner Fleur Perry showed that more than 40 clinical commissioning groups (CCGs) appeared to be willing to move disabled people with high-cost support packages into residential or nursing homes against their wishes
Local NHS is blackmailing service-users into accepting unsafe care, MPs hear
research by disabled campaigner Fleur Perry showed that more than 40 clinical commissioning groups (CCGs) appeared to be willing to move disabled people with high-cost support packages into residential or nursing homes against their wishes
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Her name's Constance (although I suspect it's an alias - she's very reticent on that).HindleA wrote:Has the cat got a name or would it rather remain anonymous/on the run for tax evasion etc?
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That was sister's middle name,as it happens.
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"She knows we are talking about her"
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Natural blonde or dyed?
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She's gone for the long-haired dark and light tabby for the winter. Or were you asking about me? Even so, I've gone for the same although my tail's nowhere near as luxuriant. You need to clean that lens . . .HindleA wrote:Natural blonde or dyed?
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I always go for the windswept and non interesting look,never fails.
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My mum was housekeeper for Pym for a bit.Met him a couple of times,nr Sandy,Bedfordshire.
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Just after booted out of Cabinet,still MP "Centre Forward" etc.
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My mother's friend's sister (you following this?) was David Owen's housekeeper (his Limehouse gaff).HindleA wrote:My mum was housekeeper for Pym for a bit.Met him a couple of times,nr Sandy,Bedfordshire.
Your turn . . .
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My dad's warrant had Pym's signature on (as defence secretary)within in a few years he was living on his estate.
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One of my aunties went to singing classes with Vera Lynn (without the same outcome, it must be said).
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Whilst playing the board game Westminster,he made a visit,when being informed the Communists were in power,he said "excellent",although that seemed his preferred response/word.
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We had amahs,as previously stated.We had "staff" working in our home,doing domestic stuff.I am actually conflicted over the overnight payment thing,particularly over the coverage,what it does do is highlight complexity of real life,rather than easy fit ie employer v employee.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ype-of-manGavin Williamson profile: an ambitious 'chop-your-head-off type of man' (Guardian)
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Ie "bad" employer v "exploited" worker.
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Funnily enough there were trying to take the piss/advantage employees,shocking I know.
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Evening, folks,
Just foaming at this:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ils-to-pay" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Those useless gits at Crapita are supposed to be in charge of teachers pensions and they are hopeless. Now they are screwing trainee GP’s. Please Jeremy, end all this outsourcing shit as a matter of priority.
Just foaming at this:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ils-to-pay" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Those useless gits at Crapita are supposed to be in charge of teachers pensions and they are hopeless. Now they are screwing trainee GP’s. Please Jeremy, end all this outsourcing shit as a matter of priority.
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Body battery very low,need recharging.
Good nigh
Good nigh
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@HindleA
Night night.
Night night.
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Goodnight, HindleAHindleA wrote:Body battery very low,need recharging.
Good nigh
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Goodnight, everyone
love,
cJA
love,
cJA
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PF can you ask Constance to turn her oboe down a notch,cheers.
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@citizenJA
Night night.
Night night.
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It's outrageous that this demonstrably useless outfit is paid for by the taxpayer.55DegreesNorth wrote:Evening, folks,
Just foaming at this:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ils-to-pay" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Those useless gits at Crapita are supposed to be in charge of teachers pensions and they are hopeless. Now they are screwing trainee GP’s. Please Jeremy, end all this outsourcing shit as a matter of priority.
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I had to deal with them over my civil service pension. Arse\elbow piss-up\brewery. And they seemed to think that it was somehow only to be expected and not at all unacceptable.
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Ears prick up.I also receive a Civil Service Pension but I don't have an oboe playing cat,as far as I am aware.
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Oh, you'd be aware, alright! Is the volume better now? (You've ruined recital nightHindleA wrote:Ears prick up.I also receive a Civil Service Pension but I don't have an oboe playing cat,as far as I am aware.
(every Thursday), incidentally.)
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What McDonnell said was revolting.AnatolyKasparov wrote:McVey's appointment has given some rightwingers the chance to be performatively woke with that quote from McDonnell, though
That McVey may also have done horrible things is no excuse at all.
Again, this is the "my party right or wrong" attitude that so disfigures politics. Politics as sport, with no ethical dimension to it.
The ongoing harassment allegations are just one example of that, with the morally bankrupt on each side gleefully taking it as an opportunity to score points as each allegation breaks, one against the other.
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Night night.
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The volume of the oboe is o.k. now,it was you ranting in a loud voice about Crapita and your bloody pension that disturbed me,and how the fart was I supposed to know it was recital night for an oboe playing cat.
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Don't you get bored of posting the same intellectually bankrupt guff every day? I know I get bored reading it (unlike most of the stuff written on the two blogs I read)SpinningHugo wrote:What McDonnell said was revolting.AnatolyKasparov wrote:McVey's appointment has given some rightwingers the chance to be performatively woke with that quote from McDonnell, though
That McVey may also have done horrible hinge is no excuse at all.
Again, this is the "my party right or wrong" attitude that so disfigures politics. Politics as sport, with no ethical dimension to it.
The ongoing harassment allegations are just one example of that, with the morally bankrupt on each side gleefully taking it as an opportunity to score points as each allegation breaks, one against the other.
You even had the gall to insult the venerable and learned Mr A a couple of weeks ago!
I don't know what your motives are (well that is a lie I think I have a very good idea actually) but I can tell you that you have never managed to make a coherent enough argument to make me change my mind - and I have had my mind changed on here many times thanks to some of the arguments put forward
Go and take some lessons in influencing and persuasion - you could learn something
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oh and McVey is an appalling person who was part of the attack on the poor and disabled - she showed very little humanity at all....I have nothing but contempt for her and her politics
Her presence in the house and in a position of power is, in my view, one of the reasons why the Tories are not fit for Government
It seems we are in a world where what one says is considered much worse than what one does.....you are castigated for saying bad things but groping women is not considered as bad!
Her presence in the house and in a position of power is, in my view, one of the reasons why the Tories are not fit for Government
It seems we are in a world where what one says is considered much worse than what one does.....you are castigated for saying bad things but groping women is not considered as bad!
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Nothing to do with party.Anybody whatsoever with a smidgeon of knowledge was appalled by Esther M.being anywhere near the area she was responsible for.An eager rival to IDS in compulsive lying,being atrociously ill-informed and making things up as she went along.Of note of course, is that some on the left and certainly not confined to a particular facrtionhave not dissimilar views of previous Labour ministers,on exactly the same basis,but some here view them differently.The reversal of SH's contention.
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Depends what you read, and what you believe, Hugo.SpinningHugo wrote:What McDonnell said was revolting.AnatolyKasparov wrote:McVey's appointment has given some rightwingers the chance to be performatively woke with that quote from McDonnell, though
That McVey may also have done horrible things is no excuse at all.
Again, this is the "my party right or wrong" attitude that so disfigures politics. Politics as sport, with no ethical dimension to it.
The ongoing harassment allegations are just one example of that, with the morally bankrupt on each side gleefully taking it as an opportunity to score points as each allegation breaks, one against the other.
" Raising a point of order, Mr McDonnell said various allegations had been made.
He told MPs: “Let me make it very, very straightforward - I have never called for any harm to be done to any member of this House or anybody else.
“I have reported statements that were made at a public meeting in the Wirral constituency, not that I agreed with but I reported them"
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... hn-8125900" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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see Kelvin Hopkins has been suspended by the party for some undefined inappropriate behaviour
possibly won't be the last.....at least the decision was made with no messing about
possibly won't be the last.....at least the decision was made with no messing about
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see Hugo this is how you post something informative (and AAW and I have not always been on the same page in the past it is fair to say) but this puts it into contextAngryAsWell wrote:Depends what you read, and what you believe, Hugo.SpinningHugo wrote:What McDonnell said was revolting.AnatolyKasparov wrote:McVey's appointment has given some rightwingers the chance to be performatively woke with that quote from McDonnell, though
That McVey may also have done horrible things is no excuse at all.
Again, this is the "my party right or wrong" attitude that so disfigures politics. Politics as sport, with no ethical dimension to it.
The ongoing harassment allegations are just one example of that, with the morally bankrupt on each side gleefully taking it as an opportunity to score points as each allegation breaks, one against the other.
" Raising a point of order, Mr McDonnell said various allegations had been made.
He told MPs: “Let me make it very, very straightforward - I have never called for any harm to be done to any member of this House or anybody else.
“I have reported statements that were made at a public meeting in the Wirral constituency, not that I agreed with but I reported them"
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... hn-8125900" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
As said, you can have a different interpretation and draw different conclusions from what was said but your interpretation and mine will likely be very different
I am a left-wing Labour supporter and so that will influence my views and my interpretation - I though do try to keep an open mind and be prepared to change it if the facts change - what I do not accept though is your approach of assuming your opinion is correct and mine is wrong
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Yes.AngryAsWell wrote:Depends what you read, and what you believe, Hugo.SpinningHugo wrote:What McDonnell said was revolting.AnatolyKasparov wrote:McVey's appointment has given some rightwingers the chance to be performatively woke with that quote from McDonnell, though
That McVey may also have done horrible things is no excuse at all.
Again, this is the "my party right or wrong" attitude that so disfigures politics. Politics as sport, with no ethical dimension to it.
The ongoing harassment allegations are just one example of that, with the morally bankrupt on each side gleefully taking it as an opportunity to score points as each allegation breaks, one against the other.
" Raising a point of order, Mr McDonnell said various allegations had been made.
He told MPs: “Let me make it very, very straightforward - I have never called for any harm to be done to any member of this House or anybody else.
“I have reported statements that were made at a public meeting in the Wirral constituency, not that I agreed with but I reported them"
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... hn-8125900" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I think McDonnell's "explanation" is laughable. He was clearly joking about lynching her.
And, again, if you think that is excused by McVey's behaviour I don't agree.
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There you go again using the word 'clearly' when it is anything butI think McDonnell's "explanation" is laughable. He was clearly joking about lynching her.
And, again, if you think that is excused by McVey's behaviour I don't agree
If you want to interpret it as that then you can do and make your decisions based on that but I could just easily say he was 'clearly' reporting on what other people said.
I wouldn't use the word 'clearly' though as it isn't anything of the kind
I find McVey's actions (things she has done and not said) in persecuting people less fortunate as her far more reprehensible
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@Hugo - (fell foul of the 3 quote rule)
If he had said it I would agree with you, but it seems he did not. It was said in a meeting and he reported hearing it, does that make him "guilty"? Not in my book.
As for McVey - least said soonest mended, though it will take many years to even start to heal the damage she has been party to causing.
If he had said it I would agree with you, but it seems he did not. It was said in a meeting and he reported hearing it, does that make him "guilty"? Not in my book.
As for McVey - least said soonest mended, though it will take many years to even start to heal the damage she has been party to causing.
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@howsilly he blocks me.Obviously my stunning wit,breadth of knowledge and links of information are too much for him.It happens,a cross I will have to bear.