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Good morfternoon.
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Berlusconi woos voters with tax breaks for pet owners and a basic income for all Italians


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I like his 'can-do' attitude.

Is this the future? Dutch plan vast windfarm island in North Sea
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While the actual engineering challenge of building the island seems enormous, Van der Hage is not daunted. “Is it difficult? In the Netherlands, when we see a piece of water we want to build islands or land. We’ve been doing that for centuries. That is not the biggest challenge,” he said.
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UK to sink to the bottom of OECD wage growth index in 2018

British workers to be worse off among wealthy nations as Brexit inflation diminishes pay, TUC analysis show (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/ ... ex-in-2018
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PorFavor wrote:
UK to sink to the bottom of OECD wage growth index in 2018

British workers to be worse off among wealthy nations as Brexit inflation diminishes pay, TUC analysis show (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/ ... ex-in-2018
Morning.

For some reason I initially read that headline as "UK to sink to the bottom of the ocean". Thought it was one of those apocalyptic global warming type stories! :)

Not that the actual story is any cheerier. 2018 is already looking like a bleak year and we haven't even started it yet.
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Brexit Impact Studies (from Maria Ana Cataluna).
Maria Ana Cataluna put together a very useful thread which compiled Brexit Impact Studies from various sources. She then asked others to contribute any more they thought relevant. The initial reports were mainly papers from the Royal Society of Edinburgh (1–15, 17).

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Fact or fiction? The most far-fetched Euromyths of 2017
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We Need To Talk About Those Who Would Gain From A Hard Brexit
If those pushing for a hard Brexit have their way, then the tax-avoiding money hoarders could save a fortune
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Willow904 wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/ent ... ssion=true
We Need To Talk About Those Who Would Gain From A Hard Brexit
If those pushing for a hard Brexit have their way, then the tax-avoiding money hoarders could save a fortune
Not forgetting those lovely "disaster capitalists" (the Legatum Institute*, for example).


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The Legatum Institute is a think tank based in Mayfair, London sponsored by Legatum, a private investment firm headquartered in Dubai.[1] It is considered to be central to the Conservative Party's case for Hard Brexit (Wikipedia)
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Cash-strapped councils are being forced to set aside extra resources to cushion the blow of switching to universal credit for vulnerable households, according to analysis by Labour.
There has been a concerted move since 2010 to reduce the longstanding redistribution of wealth and resources from better off areas to poorer areas. And Brexit will bring an end to redistribution via Brussels from wealthier Britons to our poorer regions, thus completing the process of entrenching inequality. The US appears to be the model Cameron era Tories have been working to, depressingly successfully it seems.
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This is interesting. A non-party political, straightforward test of whether IPSO works:
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@Willow904

Your Kraken Wakes advice is becoming more sound (and urgent) by the day. If you find such a place, do let us know!
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Willow904 wrote:

This is interesting. A non-party political, straightforward test of whether IPSO works:
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Friday's Daily Mail 'happy pills' headline goes against NUJ guidance on reporting on depression.
Not holding my breath, tbh.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Willow904 wrote:

This is interesting. A non-party political, straightforward test of whether IPSO works:
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Friday's Daily Mail 'happy pills' headline goes against NUJ guidance on reporting on depression.
Not holding my breath, tbh.
Sadly you are most probably right.
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Tory seats at risk under parliamentary boundary changes, says Labour
PM faces political headache with constituencies of 34 colleagues including the Brexit secretary, David Davis, likely to go

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Willow904 wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Willow904 wrote:

This is interesting. A non-party political, straightforward test of whether IPSO works:
Not holding my breath, tbh.
Sadly you are most probably right.
Seriously, IPSO has to be one of the mist toothless "regulators" ever.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Seriously, IPSO has to be one of the mist toothless "regulators" ever.
Ooh it's a fiercely fought battle with the ASA for that title!
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Hi @Jacob_Rees_Mogg I will keep asking this until I get an answer.

Would you lose money if the EU directive on tax avoidance becomes UK law? Looks like a hard Brexit is all that could stop it and you manage billions of pounds for (other) money hoarders
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Did anyone see Alternativity ? If not, its well worth a watch

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Good-afternoon, everyone
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I see that my favourite ex_MP* (Labour, supposedly) couldn't even avoid making an arse of themselves over Xmas dinner.

(*though there is always Tom Harris, I suppose)
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Running Commentary since Article 50 was enacted:


Were you disappointed when Theresa May refused to give a running commentary on progress of Brexit negotiations? Well, we are going to keep you informed!

Just how much more bad news do leavers have to see before veering away from the cliff edge?:

Progress Summary 1:

https://brexpatshov.com/our-views/#/run ... otiations/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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A new dog waste bin being installed in Mandale Park is to be named after Nigel Farage, according to plans allegedly leaked by a Rochdale council employee.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:I see that my favourite ex_MP* (Labour, supposedly) couldn't even avoid making an arse of themselves over Xmas dinner.

(*though there is always Tom Harris, I suppose)
Harris seems to be reasonably respected in Rail. Dugher on the other hand couldn't understand why engineering work was done at Christmas.
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AngryAsWell wrote:Tory seats at risk under parliamentary boundary changes, says Labour
PM faces political headache with constituencies of 34 colleagues including the Brexit secretary, David Davis, likely to go

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... um=twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Chris Skidmore has the nerve to talk about gerrymandering, when the Tories have blatantly chosen to lose 50 MPs so that they do better out of it.
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"Lord Adonis resigns as Theresa May's infrastructure tsar in row over Brexit"
The former transport secretary used his resignation letter to accuse Mrs May of putting Europe’s peace and security at risk, comparing the “isolation” of Britain after Brexit to the Victorian policy that preceded the First World War.
He also described Brexit as “a dangerous populist and nationalist spasm worthy of Donald Trump”.
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Adonis has been acting the goat across a range of issues lately. Chaminda Jayanetti called it a mid life crisis.

Pleasantly surprised by this.
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:Adonis has been acting the goat across a range of issues lately. Chaminda Jayanetti called it a mid life crisis.

Pleasantly surprised by this.
It is understood that he was planning to announce his resignation early in the new year, but The Daily Telegraph has obtained a draft copy of his letter to Theresa May.
it might be Interesting to know how they obtained a draft copy of a resignation letter.
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Tory seats at risk under parliamentary boundary changes, says Labour
PM faces political headache with constituencies of 34 colleagues including the Brexit secretary, David Davis, likely to go

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... um=twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Chris Skidmore has the nerve to talk about gerrymandering, when the Tories have blatantly chosen to lose 50 MPs so that they do better out of it.
Skidmore really is a charmless party hack, even given the general low standard of current Conservative MPs.
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AngryAsWell wrote:Running Commentary since Article 50 was enacted:


Were you disappointed when Theresa May refused to give a running commentary on progress of Brexit negotiations? Well, we are going to keep you informed!

Just how much more bad news do leavers have to see before veering away from the cliff edge?:

Progress Summary 1:

https://brexpatshov.com/our-views/#/run ... otiations/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A long list indeed !

Good one on graphene, science and ... brexit of course --

.independent.co.uk/news/science/brexit-latest-scientist-andre-geim-graphene-discovery-university-manchester-eu-exit-withdrawal-a7886416.html

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Tory seats at risk under parliamentary boundary changes, says Labour
PM faces political headache with constituencies of 34 colleagues including the Brexit secretary, David Davis, likely to go

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... um=twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Chris Skidmore has the nerve to talk about gerrymandering, when the Tories have blatantly chosen to lose 50 MPs so that they do better out of it.
Skidmore really is a charmless party hack, even given the general low standard of current Conservative MPs.
Reducing the 'cost of politics' by a piffling £10m was yet another daft idea from Cameron . Keeping the same number looks like winning --

"" Three Tory MPs defied the government to vote with a private member’s bill from the Labour MP Aftab Khan this month, which would equalise the size of constituencies without reducing the number of MPs.

Introducing his bill in the Commons, Khan, who represents the Manchester Gorton seat held by the former Labour veteran Gerald Kaufman, said the boundary proposals as drafted would exclude the many new voters who registered to participate in the EU referendum or this year’s general election.

Supportive MPs also argued that the extra burden of decision-making that would fall on Westminster after Britain leaves the EU undermined the argument for reducing the number of legislators.
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frog222 wrote: Reducing the 'cost of politics' by a piffling £10m was yet another daft idea from Cameron
Utterly cynical bit of cheap pseudo-populism from him.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ia-miracle" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Crace's weekly column is excellent
I don't usually like his 'digested weekly' column as well as his politics sketches but this one is outstanding
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:---
Utterly cynical bit of cheap pseudo-populism...
perfect description of the guy
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Richard Branson's Virgin healthcare firm scoops £1bn of NHS contracts

Virgin Care’s success highlights fears over role of private companies in NHS and casts doubt on recent assurances by Jeremy Hunt

Richard Branson’s Virgin Care won a record £1bn of NHS contracts last year, as £3.1bn of health services were privatised despite a government pledge to reduce the proportion of care provided by private companies.

Overall, private firms scooped 267 – almost 70% – of the 386 clinical contracts that were put out to tender in England during 2016-17, according to a new report. They included the seven highest value contracts, worth £2.43bn between them, and 13 of the 20 most lucrative tenders.
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tinybgoat wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12 ... ow-brexit/
"Lord Adonis resigns as Theresa May's infrastructure tsar in row over Brexit"
The former transport secretary used his resignation letter to accuse Mrs May of putting Europe’s peace and security at risk, comparing the “isolation” of Britain after Brexit to the Victorian policy that preceded the First World War.
He also described Brexit as “a dangerous populist and nationalist spasm worthy of Donald Trump”.
Adonis full resignation letter

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.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2017/dec/29/ben-jennings-politicians-drunk-tank-nhs-cartoon#comment-110216236

HT Miss Chin a good one .
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So is Adonis another one who thinks everything would be just fine and dandy but for Brexit?

The point is, it wasn't - THAT'S WHY THE REFERENDUM RESULT HAPPENED.
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Council apologises as Grenfell Tower households miss out on extra cash

As 100 Grenfell households spend Christmas in hotels, payout to help with festive costs fails to arrive for 18 families


Money promised to Grenfell Tower survivors by Kensington council to help cover Christmas costs did not arrive in time for multiple households.

“This was our error and we are sorry for this and have taken steps to deal with the households we are aware of,” said Kim Taylor-Smith, the deputy leader of the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea (RBKC).

Eighteen households, including those of both survivors and evacuees, did not receive a payment before Christmas despite the council’s commitment. (Guardian)
I was going to say that this is unbelievable. Except that it really isn't. It's what I'd expect - as, doubtless, would the Grenfell Tower people and other non-well-heeled residents. It must be so exhausting and soul-destroying.

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Lord Ashcroft‏'s poll not quite going in the direction he thought

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Andrew Adonis is on the Right of the Labour Party. His resignation and attack is a reflection of how far to the Right of Tory and British politics he believes May is going
Valiantly trying to keep her party together by appeasing the right wing like so many other leaders before her.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:So is Adonis another one who thinks everything would be just fine and dandy but for Brexit?

The point is, it wasn't - THAT'S WHY THE REFERENDUM RESULT HAPPENED.
He does sort of point that out

"Even within Ireland, there are set to be barriers between people and trade. If Brexit happens, taking us back into Europe will become the mission of our children’s generation, who will marvel at your acts of destruction.

A responsible government would be leading the British people to stay in Europe while also tackling, with massive vigour, the social and economic problems within Britain which contributed to the Brexit vote. Unfortunately, your policy is the reverse."
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AngryAsWell wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:So is Adonis another one who thinks everything would be just fine and dandy but for Brexit?

The point is, it wasn't - THAT'S WHY THE REFERENDUM RESULT HAPPENED.
He does sort of point that out

"Even within Ireland, there are set to be barriers between people and trade. If Brexit happens, taking us back into Europe will become the mission of our children’s generation, who will marvel at your acts of destruction.

A responsible government would be leading the British people to stay in Europe while also tackling, with massive vigour, the social and economic problems within Britain which contributed to the Brexit vote. Unfortunately, your policy is the reverse."

Yes - I thought he was having a bit of a Damascene moment.
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'What Britain needs in 2018 is a radically reforming Govt in the tradition of Attlee, working tirelessly to eradicate social problems while strengthening Britain’s international alliances. This is a cause I have long advocated & I will pursue it with all the energy I can muster.'

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I never thought I'd find myself sticking up for Andrew Adonis!
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PorFavor wrote:I never thought I'd find myself sticking up for Andrew Adonis!
Me neither - this is the most topsy-turvy political climate I can ever remember!

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Hadn't seen that when I posted earlier, maybe one is being slightly uncharitable ;)
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Now I'm standing on my head....
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I’m very sorry @Andrew_Adonis has resigned from National Infrastructure Commission. He brought expertise and rare policy creativity, and will be sad loss. I want to thank him personally for helping us establish our new NIC as a permanent improvement to long term thinking in UK

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Stepping into my enemy's enemy is my friend land - I think......
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