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Ice expected across UK as weekend weather warnings issued


Obviously not all work in down to -20C temperatures so keep yourselves warm and safe and as the article suggests check on neighbours.

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Fleecehold’ complaints flood in as residents battle to turn tide
Our story about homeowners on private estates facing uncapped fees for maintaining communal areas prompted a stream of responses

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https://www.theguardian.com/teacher-net ... -sidelined


Secret Teacher: subjects like art are being sidelined – but they matter
In trying to improve outcomes in a limited range of subjects, we may struggle to realise the potential of those whose strengths lie elsewhere

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01 ... ening-nhs/


"Theresa May torn over timing of Jeremy Hunt's promotion


She will spend the weekend deciding whether to keep Mr Hunt in his post until the spring, rather than moving him as part of a reshuffle aimed at refreshing the public face of the Government."

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UK Poverty 2017

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HindleA wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/05/theresa-may-torn-timing-jeremy-hunts-promotion-worsening-nhs/


"Theresa May torn over timing of Jeremy Hunt's promotion


She will spend the weekend deciding whether to keep Mr Hunt in his post until the spring, rather than moving him as part of a reshuffle aimed at refreshing the public face of the Government."

I'm sceptical about the likelihood of *unt being moved, can't see that they're going to be queuing up to replace him.

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Jan, 2018 10:54 am 
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https://www.theguardian.com/teacher-network/2018/jan/06/secret-teacher-unbalanced-curriculum-sats-assessment-children-art-music-languages-sidelined


Secret Teacher: subjects like art are being sidelined – but they matter
In trying to improve outcomes in a limited range of subjects, we may struggle to realise the potential of those whose strengths lie elsewhere


I think there are two specific things that come up with this - one is that the creative arts subjects they are talking about need not just specialist teachers but also specialist equipment and even special space, and can't be done properly without them.

The other is that there are students who need a couple of hours of week of art, or music - or PE for that matter - to get through the week. They are only at home in certain subject areas, the rest being seriously alien to them, but those few hours of home will get them through the rest of their time. They'll come out as successes, with decent passes eventually in core subjects, because their home areas will have helped them get through week after week of feeling 'other'.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/05/theresa-may-torn-timing-jeremy-hunts-promotion-worsening-nhs/


"Theresa May torn over timing of Jeremy Hunt's promotion


She will spend the weekend deciding whether to keep Mr Hunt in his post until the spring, rather than moving him as part of a reshuffle aimed at refreshing the public face of the Government."

I'm sceptical about the likelihood of *unt being moved, can't see that they're going to be queuing up to replace him.


If the policy brief is to let the NHS disintegrate to provide grounds to privatise it, then no, I can't see MPs lining up to play the role of oblivious incompetent failure. Jeremy Hunt is a natural, after all. Others would have to seriously work at matching his level of cretinous. The danger of accidentally improving the situation in the NHS would be very high in pretty much anyone else's hands, I reckon, and they don't want that, clearly, or he would have been moved long ago.

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https://www.tes.com/news/school-news/br ... -financial


Exclusive: Troubled free school could go to wall without DfE financial rescue

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Jan, 2018 11:57 am 
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HindleA wrote:
https://www.tes.com/news/school-news/breaking-news/exclusive-troubled-free-school-could-go-wall-without-dfe-financial


Exclusive: Troubled free school could go to wall without DfE financial rescue


Andy Jolley has done a lot of digging around on this one - it's been "troubled" for years.

I seem to recall there were plans to open another free school quite close to it which baffled him and everyone else given the problems they've had with this one.

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http://theviewfromcullingworth.blogspot ... geois.html



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It takes some effort especially DWP,given deliberate obfuscation,half information,politicised presentation,constant "methodological" changes etc to attempt to get the stats that you forgot you were looking for.

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HindleA wrote:
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/corbyns-silence-iran-protests-demands-respect-403416110



Peter Oborne. You should know better.

I'm not sure I like a binary choice between apologists for Saudi Arabia, of a party led by an Iranian state TV presenter.


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Leadership bid starts early

http://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry ... ssion=true


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There has been a general lack of grandstanding over this by UK politicians. I personally think this a good thing, though you may of course not agree.

Leave any empty posturing to The Donald, IMO.


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At least you have suspended your discrimination policy but I just linked and made no comment otherwise.

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
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Leadership bid starts early

http://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry ... ssion=true


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There has been a general lack of grandstanding over this by UK politicians. I personally think this a good thing, though you may of course not agree.

Leave any empty posturing to The Donald, IMO.



Grandstanding.

A UK politician able to say that a theocratic regime killing dozens of protesters is a bad thing is grandstanding?

Don't be so ridiculous.


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PostPosted: Sat 06 Jan, 2018 12:55 pm 
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
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Leadership bid starts early

http://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry ... ssion=true


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There has been a general lack of grandstanding over this by UK politicians. I personally think this a good thing, though you may of course not agree.

Leave any empty posturing to The Donald, IMO.



The reason why no grandstanding is good is that firstly, it is really none of our business to get involved in the internal, complex affairs of a nother country. We can make comments but we really do not know what is going on to any great extent, especially in a very complex country like Iran with the theocratic and non-theocratic pillars of the state

The West does not have a very good record in Iran and I am pretty much convinced that there will be some fomenting of opposition from the US and their allies, Saudi Arabia, and that nasty little crook Netanyahu.

The Saudis of course are attacking a sovereign country with help from the US and us which is probably a war crime if you go by the standards to which other countries would be held - but will never be considered thus

Hugo, of course, has demonstrated time and again a remarkable lack of capability to see anything in other than very simplistic terms so that is why he never seems to be able to join in an intelligent debate - just posts a link with some inane one line comment underneath

So in summary, Iran is a sovereign country, it has a complicated structure with a conservative religious side, and a more progressive part as well. There will always be a tension in this and internal strife will always at risk of surfacing. The last thing that is required is for discredited and flawed Governments from outside to start making threat, taking sides and making inane comments.

In the last couple of days Hugo has managed to excel himself and become even more extreme than the May Government - taking the six of the Priti Patel's, the Guido Fawkes and Telegraphs of this world! Impressive


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These protests were actually started, if you believe some informed accounts, by hardline elements who think Rouhani is too "soft".


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SpinningHugo wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
Leadership bid starts early

http://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry ... ssion=true


Other parties can be voted for.


There has been a general lack of grandstanding over this by UK politicians. I personally think this a good thing, though you may of course not agree.

Leave any empty posturing to The Donald, IMO.



Grandstanding.

A UK politician able to say that a theocratic regime killing dozens of protesters is a bad thing is grandstanding?

Don't be so ridiculous.



Got bored with Venezuela now it is not in the news and so have moved on to Iran, another country where you ahem little understanding of what is really going on but allows you to make you little snide comments agains the Labour Party

Criticise Iran if you want but I will await your calls for the UK to be protesting loudly and condemning the Government of Israel about the illegal occupation of lands not belonging to them and the terror they bring to the Palestinians......and then we have Saudi Arabia. And the USA under Trump.......


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These protests were actually started, if you believe some informed accounts, by hardline elements who think Rouhani is too "soft".



He is not interested in the complexity and the truth of this though is he? - if he wanted to actually discuss these things intelligently then it would be another matter but that is not his aim


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https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2018 ... l?spref=tw


Why the microfoundations hegemony holds back macroeconomic progress


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https://academic.oup.com/oxrep/article/ ... 55/4781813


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These protests were actually started, if you believe some informed accounts, by hardline elements who think Rouhani is too "soft".



Fine to kill them then, eh?


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These protests were actually started, if you believe some informed accounts, by hardline elements who think Rouhani is too "soft".



Fine to kill them then, eh?


even by your standards that is pathetic


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The reason there is a difficulty knowing what exactly the protesters in Iran want is because any organisers are immediately arrested, usually never to be seen again. So, it has to be decentralised.


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On Iran - here is the response from Emily Thornberry.......sorry it is a bit long but I think ends the need for further discussion on here, and for the shit-stirring from Hugo

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A number of you have been in touch with me on Facebook and elsewhere in the past week asking about the situation in Iran, so I thought I’d write you a brief note giving my take on events, and explaining how the Labour Party is responding.

The 2015 deal reached with the Iranian government to stop its nuclear programme in return for the lifting of sanctions was a vital step in itself, but it was also intended to be the bridge to something better and broader. It was meant to show that if trust could be established and maintained on one crucial issue, and if economic and diplomatic ties could be strengthened between Iran and the West, then we could start to open a dialogue on other issues, from Iran’s regional influence to its approach to human rights, including full freedom for Iranian women.

That is ultimately where I believe we need to get back to, but there is no mistaking the fact that recent months have been full of setbacks on those fronts, from Donald Trump’s attempts to undermine the nuclear deal and the escalation of Iran’s proxy wars with Saudi Arabia, to the treatment of Nazanin Zaghari Ratcliffe and – in recent days – the response of the Iranian authorities to the protests across the country.

I’m sure you – like me – have been appalled by the reported violence, with several protesters believed dead and many hundreds of others awaiting an uncertain fate after being arrested. As with all situations like this, there is a particular responsibility on the Iranian authorities to show restraint in their policing, to allow peaceful, democratic protests to proceed, and to enable a proper dialogue so that all political and economic grievances can be raised and resolved.

In addition, there is a responsibility on the authorities to ensure that – where peaceful protesters have been arrested – they are treated fairly, and released promptly. Peaceful protest should never be treated as a crime, and to do so will only worsen the sense of grievance among those who have taken to the streets in recent days.

Of course, those of you who have joined me and the Labour party in recent years in campaigning for the freedom of Nazanin, or against the barbaric punishment of the Iranian LGBT community, women having sex outside marriage, and other persecuted groups know just how draconian and arbitrary the Iranian judicial system can be, but we must urge them to turn a new corner, starting with those protesters currently in detention.

As for the protests themselves, I have read large volumes of analysis and commentary in recent days – some extremely well-informed and some (like Donald Trump’s Tweets) quite the opposite. What is clear to me is that there are an extremely complex set of factors at work, and any attempt to impose a one size fits all understanding of the origins, organisation and objectives of these protests is frankly futile.

For example, it seems fairly clear that the original protests in Iran’s second city, Mashhad, were orchestrated by hardline supporters of Iran’s theocratic establishment seeking to undermine their opponent, the so-called ‘reformist’ President Rouhani, and exploiting public anger at rising food prices to do so. There is also little doubt that Rouhani’s own supporters responded in kind at protests in other cities by orchestrating chants aimed at the hardliners.

However, beyond those orchestrated elements of regime infighting, there were clearly large, spontaneous public outpourings within the protests that we can all understand and support: trade unionists campaigning for workers’ rights; women fighting against arcane laws governing their clothing and sex lives; working-class communities protesting about unemployment and the cost of living; and young people appealing for greater political freedom.

But in different cities at different times, there have also been voices calling for the restoration of Iran’s pre-1979 monarchy, hardly remembered as a glorious age for human rights and political freedom; and less reported in the West, there have been several generic ‘pro-government protests’, well-orchestrated and well-attended demonstrations designed to show that it is not only the various different anti-regime demonstrators who can fill the streets.

So, in short, it is no simple thing to understand what is happening in Iran, let alone sum it up in a few Tweets. And my personal view is that, in these kind of complex situations, we need to show a bit of caution, and avoid rushing to conclusions about what we are seeing and where it will lead.

Because, as so often in the Middle East and North Africa, we have been here before. During the Arab Spring, following the successful street revolution in Tunisia, there was a rush to label every uprising in every country with the same badge: they were all optimistically interpreted as popular protests by ordinary people seeking to overthrow oppressive regimes and usher in a new era of liberal, secular democracies.

And there is no doubt – just as in Iran in recent days – that a large element of protest in each of those Arab Spring countries represented exactly that vision. However, that was never the full picture, and as the dust settled, it became clear that what had emerged from many of those protests was not remotely what the West – or indeed many of the protesters – had anticipated.

A new revolutionary government in Egypt seeking to impose an Islamic constitution, itself over-thrown in a brutal military coup two years later. A chaos of competing armed factions in Libya fighting over the spoils after the West helped overthrow President Gadaffi. And in Syria, a descent into the world’s worst civil war, as predictions of the strength of Western-backed, anti-Assad rebels proved as mythical as many of us always thought.

And across the entire region, lest we forget, what accompanied this entire period of instability was the creation of ungoverned spaces, which allowed Daesh to branch out from its base in Iraq and spread terror and training camps across the Middle East and North Africa.

It is of course impossible to know what the outcome would be if the recent protests in Iran were to resume, escalate, and become a genuine challenge to the authority of the Iranian regime. Would we end up with a relative success story like Tunisia? Or the regime increasing its repression to survive, as happened in Bahrain? Or a lurch from one revolution to another, but no actual improvement in democratic or human rights, as happened in Egypt? Or would it simply descend into chaos and civil war and fresh ungoverned space for Jihadist terrorists, as we have so tragically seen in Libya and Syria?

The point is we simply do not know, and if recent history has taught us one thing – not least in Iraq – it’s the sheer folly of failing to think through and plan for the aftermath in situations like this.

So it would be easy to say: let’s throw our weight behind the Iranian protests, even if we don’t fully understand what they are; let’s pursue the overthrow of the Iranian regime, even if we don’t know what would replace it; and as for the future, let’s just assume it will all work out for the best. Yes, that would all be very easy and probably quite popular, but it would also be totally reckless and irresponsible.

When it comes to foreign policy, I will always be on the side of peace, political dialogue, democracy, freedom, female empowerment and human rights. That is what I want to see in Iran and everywhere else, and they are clearly needed now in Iran more than ever, to restore the promise and progress offered by the 2015 nuclear deal.

However, I am not prepared to indulge in the wishful thinking and heroic assumptions that say pursuing regime change in Iran will automatically deliver those outcomes. We were promised the same thing about Iraq and Egypt and Libya and Syria, but instead of learning the lessons from what actually happened in those situations, some people want to just keep repeating the same mistakes.

That, for me, is not the sensible, cautious, thoughtful foreign policy our country needs, and – when we see the immense suffering that has been caused elsewhere as a result of ill-planned Western interventions – nor do I believe it can be described as particularly principled.


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Thanks for that long one HSOM1 !

A senior politician doing their homework is good to see . Also a party 'leader' allowing someone else to do their job of shadowing the government.


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These protests were actually started, if you believe some informed accounts, by hardline elements who think Rouhani is too "soft".



Fine to kill them then, eh?


That is only worthy of ignoring.

You can do better.


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Thanks for that long one HSOM1 !

A senior politician doing their homework is good to see . Also a party 'leader' allowing someone else to do their job of shadowing the government.



I borrowed it from the other site, so thanks to our friends for finding it :)


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Afternoon entertainment.
https://twitter.com/SocialHistoryOx/sta ... 8992570369

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Thanks for that long one HSOM1 !

A senior politician doing their homework is good to see . Also a party 'leader' allowing someone else to do their job of shadowing the government.



Corbyn is in Mexico.

Seumas' isn't.


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Thanks for that long one HSOM1 !

A senior politician doing their homework is good to see . Also a party 'leader' allowing someone else to do their job of shadowing the government.



Corbyn is in Mexico.

Seumas' isn't.



are you aiming for the 'Trump Prize' - can only explain the absolute inaneness of your posts


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
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These protests were actually started, if you believe some informed accounts, by hardline elements who think Rouhani is too "soft".



Fine to kill them then, eh?


That is only worthy of ignoring.

You can do better.



It s indeed utterly ridiculous not to just state the killing of innocents is unacceptable.


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Civil servants, regulators and ministers collect “market sensitive” or “commercially sensitive” information from businesses and trade bodies all the time. They use this to help them make decisions about policy and regulations.

Companies are only willing to provide this information – which includes details like their own profit margins, supply chains, business plans – on the proviso that government departments don’t share it further. After all, if their competitors found out these kind of details, they could suffer serious damage.

So this is not information that government departments can just put out there.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck ... l-you-more
Given policy and regulatory creation is democratically accountable government's reason for gathering information about businesses, how is not making information available in the best interests of country and people?


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If government's hands are tied and are subservient to private businesses, country and people are in some pretty shit.


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It s indeed utterly ridiculous not to just state the killing of innocents is unacceptable


you only seem to mention countries where you can use it to make connections (no matter how tenuous) to the Labour Party though

Every single country and every single Government has been involved in the murder of 'innocents' (this can be difficult to define) so it becomes a pretty pointless exercise

Thornberry's reponse is how an intelligent adult responds to these, normally, complex and not fully understood situations. You seem to be neither an adult or intelligent though so may not grasp this


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I greatly appreciated reading Thornberry's post. Thank you.


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Is SH married to S.Milne or something?

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Well known right-winger Peter Tatchell has a moral compass I think

https://twitter.com/PeterTatchell/statu ... twterm%5E1


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Tatchell's stance on these things is well known, and yes he is consistent. Its easier when you are a pundit rather than politician, of course.

Is he still a member of the Greens? Same party as you, then ;)


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Tatchell's stance on these things is well known, and yes he is consistent. Its easier when you are a pundit rather than politician, of course.

Is he still a member of the Greens? Same party as you, then ;)



Corbyn's position is also consistent, and hasn't altered whatsoever with being leader.

We know exactly the criticisms he'll make of Putin's Russia, Iran and Venezuela.


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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
I greatly appreciated reading Thornberry's post. Thank you.


To be honest I don't know why I bother really as the person who it is directed at continues to post rubbish and doesn't make any effort to engage with the debate


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The rest of us found it very interesting to read, no worries :)


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