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All quiet on the Carillion front? I was expecting some sort of update on the situation.


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...you know what, I'm really not keen on this whole weighing out exactly what I want and putting it in a paper bag malarkey...


"It's a bit over - is that ok?" (It was never "a bit under"). A tradition carried on at the cheese counter! :lol:


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Davis and Hammond couldn't manage an audience with anyone in Berlin


Now I'm seeing images of Emcee in "Cabaret"

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Adita Chakraborty opines

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The dirty secret of PFI and all government attempts to pass public services into the private realm is that the shareholders make profits while the taxpayers remain on the hook for any losses.


in an article about Carillion heading for bankruptcy.

I'm worried about this sort of dogma taking over the left. I'm sure lots of people really think we could nationalize Eddie Stobart and bank all the profits for the NHS.


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All quiet on the Carillion front? I was expecting some sort of update on the situation.
We'll be sent the invoice in due course


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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Adita Chakraborty opines

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The dirty secret of PFI and all government attempts to pass public services into the private realm is that the shareholders make profits while the taxpayers remain on the hook for any losses.


in an article about Carillion heading for bankruptcy.

I'm worried about this sort of dogma taking over the left. I'm sure lots of people really think we could nationalize Eddie Stobart and bank all the profits for the NHS.


These companies are not private...they are almost completely funded by the state and are fully dependent on it. The state is also in trouble if they go under because the money is lost

Do we bail them out and, like we did with the banks, let them continue as before with little oversight - or should we take them into public hands?

None of these companies ever seem to be particularly competent - it seems that use of them is ideological


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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Adita Chakraborty opines

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The dirty secret of PFI and all government attempts to pass public services into the private realm is that the shareholders make profits while the taxpayers remain on the hook for any losses.


in an article about Carillion heading for bankruptcy.

I'm worried about this sort of dogma taking over the left. I'm sure lots of people really think we could nationalize Eddie Stobart and bank all the profits for the NHS.


I'm not sure about "lots of people". After all, Eddie Stobart and the like are not tax-payer funded. (I appreciate your comment was a sort of wry joke, however.)


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howsillyofme1 wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Adita Chakraborty opines

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The dirty secret of PFI and all government attempts to pass public services into the private realm is that the shareholders make profits while the taxpayers remain on the hook for any losses.


in an article about Carillion heading for bankruptcy.

I'm worried about this sort of dogma taking over the left. I'm sure lots of people really think we could nationalize Eddie Stobart and bank all the profits for the NHS.


These companies are not private...they are almost completely funded by the state and are fully dependent on it. The state is also in trouble if they go under because the money is lost

Do we bail them out and, like we did with the banks, let them continue as before with little oversight - or should we take them into public hands?

None of these companies ever seem to be particularly competent - it seems that use of them is ideological


Some of it definitely is ideological.

Railtrack was about as pseudo-private as you can get, yet it went bankrupt. The shareholders lost their money. I don't see why Carillion should be any different.

I know they're important in your hometown, and I really hope it doesn't come to that. PFIs are often poor value- can we buy some of these back off them and save us a load of money, as happened with a couple of other PFIs?

It seems they are genuinely competent with the stuff they're doing for HS2, so hope they survive and do that. Even so, they're part of one short section, with two huge companies. Can't see that's all that much of a problem, but it would likely cost more if the contract had to be relet. Grayling (him again) likely shouldn't have let them bid, just wanted the cheapest cost to quote now.


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I had them alarmed and fell over backwards in shock.


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Laura Pidock on the frontbench.


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Shadow Minister For Labour.


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DWP abstract of statistics – policies and statements


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Some of it definitely is ideological.

Railtrack was about as pseudo-private as you can get, yet it went bankrupt. The shareholders lost their money. I don't see why Carillion should be any different.

I know they're important in your hometown, and I really hope it doesn't come to that. PFIs are often poor value- can we buy some of these back off them and save us a load of money, as happened with a couple of other PFIs?

It seems they are genuinely competent with the stuff they're doing for HS2, so hope they survive and do that. Even so, they're part of one short section, with two huge companies. Can't see that's all that much of a problem, but it would likely cost more if the contract had to be relet. Grayling (him again) likely shouldn't have let them bid, just wanted the cheapest cost to quote now



Unfortunately not that competent in being solvent though.........if the Government saves them (which it probably will try to do) then the taxpayers should get assets to cover it....and the directors walk away with nothing


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Consultation outcome
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Martin Rowson on 'shithole' countries


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Nottingham.Station has just been refurbished,when I say just bear in mind my concept of time.


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howsillyofme1 wrote:
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Some of it definitely is ideological.

Railtrack was about as pseudo-private as you can get, yet it went bankrupt. The shareholders lost their money. I don't see why Carillion should be any different.

I know they're important in your hometown, and I really hope it doesn't come to that. PFIs are often poor value- can we buy some of these back off them and save us a load of money, as happened with a couple of other PFIs?

It seems they are genuinely competent with the stuff they're doing for HS2, so hope they survive and do that. Even so, they're part of one short section, with two huge companies. Can't see that's all that much of a problem, but it would likely cost more if the contract had to be relet. Grayling (him again) likely shouldn't have let them bid, just wanted the cheapest cost to quote now



Unfortunately not that competent in being solvent though.........if the Government saves them (which it probably will try to do) then the taxpayers should get assets to cover it....and the directors walk away with nothing


Companies get into trouble for lots of reasons. I'm just saying the impression I got is that in terms of doing the HS2 work, they're competent.

There are state aid rules protecting the taxpayer, so I'm reasonably optimistic. I'd guess that the PFI contracts are worth a fair bit.


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@tinybgoat hopefully you are not getting anymore nightmares,if it is any consolation the reality is far worse.


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I take a little framed picture of my better half everywhere,including work-fridge/freezer.She hated the cold."Bastard'.


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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Laura Pidock on the frontbench.


Good to see another Laura from the 2017 intake - the very good Laura Smith - get a frontbench position. Also that Clive Lewis is back 8-)


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Laura Pidock on the frontbench.


Good to see another Laura from the 2017 intake - the very good Laura Smith - get a frontbench position. Also that Clive Lewis is back 8-)

Yes and folk rightly pointing out that Lewis has had to accept a relatively junior post and will have to work his way back up. Good for him for accepting.


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And Jezza has obviously been reading FTN because there is a shadow minister for buses ;-)


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That's PF off my Christmas card list.


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was she on it?


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Does Farage want a second referendum so Leave can lose it?

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http://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.co. ... l?spref=tw

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The best thing for Leave to do is boycott the second referendum, on the grounds that the Prime Minister said the last one was final.


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Does Farage want a second referendum so Leave can lose it?

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There is a significant strand of Brexiter thinking, exemplified by Farage, which is besotted with a self-pitying sense of victimhood. For these people, winning the Referendum was actually a catastrophe, taking away their victim status and requiring them to do something quite hateful to them: to take responsibility for delivering what they said they wanted and which they claimed would be easy.

http://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.co. ... l?spref=tw


I suppose if the "Outers" lost a second referendum they could go back to their comfort zone
- but they surely couldn't agitate for yet another shot at leaving the EU (which is\was a mainstay of their comfort zone). Aimless grumbling? Perhaps, after all, that really is, for most of them, their comfort zone and raison d'etre. Glower without responsibility . . .


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That wouldn't be Farage's motive. Brexit goes ahead, goes badly, he just says Theresa May is a "liberal" or whatever.

I do like Glower without responsibility!


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And Jezza has obviously been reading FTN because there is a shadow minister for buses ;-)


That is a very good idea.


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I see outward looking, the world doesn't end at Europe, bring on the world, Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson attacked Sadiq Khan, but didn't say anything about Trump being very rude about Africa- where I believe there are a few Commonwealth countries.


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Osborne'HB for 18-21 yr olds cut probably costing more than it supposedly saves.


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