Monday 22nd January 2018
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Monday 22nd January 2018
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Whistleblower claims as many as 80 people died over Christmas as a result of ambulance delays in East of England.
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Whistleblower claims as many as 80 people died over Christmas as a result of ambulance delays in East of England.
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UK government questions Scottish bid to show Britain can alone revoke Brexit
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Re: Monday 22nd January 2018
Not much reason to hope in this survey of our parliamentary representatives I fear:
http://ukandeu.ac.uk/survey-of-mps-reve ... er-brexit/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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With ex-Tory ministers allegedly advising Chinese billionaires how to cash in on Brexit and a majority of Tory voters worried about the state of the NHS - but not enough to stop voting Tory - it's hard to see how we get off our current self-destructive path.Almost two-thirds of Conservative MPs (65%) agreed that ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’
"Fall seven times, get up eight" - Japanese proverb
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I think this is true. It seems to be the case that there is a majority in the conservative party in the country for the most extreme path but it has seemed that this might be less true for the conservative party in parliament - that appears not to be the case from this. The majority of them appear to demand something which simply is not available, which they must know is simply not available (and I apologise for the shouty writing but there really seems no other way) but which they are continuing to demand anyway.Willow904 wrote:Not much reason to hope in this survey of our parliamentary representatives I fear:
http://ukandeu.ac.uk/survey-of-mps-reve ... er-brexit/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
With ex-Tory ministers allegedly advising Chinese billionaires how to cash in on Brexit and a majority of Tory voters worried about the state of the NHS - but not enough to stop voting Tory - it's hard to see how we get off our current self-destructive path.Almost two-thirds of Conservative MPs (65%) agreed that ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’
I still think - and will continue to think until proved wrong by events - that when push comes to shove such tory rebels as there are will not risk the forcing of a general election, and I still think - and will continue to think until proved wrong by events - that the likelihood of the government choosing to go to the polls before 2022 is vanishingly small at the moment, and is likely to get smaller as things get worse and labour maintain or extend a small poll lead (which I say despite what we all know about opinion polls). I think it's hugely likely that May will follow what she thinks is right and, for that matter, necessary for her party rather than for the country and will pursue nonsense rather than sense.
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Good summary from Tony Yates.
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And all new FTAs will confront the UK with the same connundrum that Brexiteers want to escape from now. The need to establish regulatory harmony to facilitate trade and forfeit sovereignty so that it can be adjudicated fairly.
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Yet.Willow904 wrote:Not much reason to hope in this survey of our parliamentary representatives I fear:
http://ukandeu.ac.uk/survey-of-mps-reve ... er-brexit/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
With ex-Tory ministers allegedly advising Chinese billionaires how to cash in on Brexit and a majority of Tory voters worried about the state of the NHS - but not enough to stop voting Tory - it's hard to see how we get off our current self-destructive path.Almost two-thirds of Conservative MPs (65%) agreed that ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’
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It does raise questions of what on earth it would take.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Yet.Willow904 wrote:Not much reason to hope in this survey of our parliamentary representatives I fear:
http://ukandeu.ac.uk/survey-of-mps-reve ... er-brexit/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
With ex-Tory ministers allegedly advising Chinese billionaires how to cash in on Brexit and a majority of Tory voters worried about the state of the NHS - but not enough to stop voting Tory - it's hard to see how we get off our current self-destructive path.Almost two-thirds of Conservative MPs (65%) agreed that ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’
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On past evidence, things getting bad enough for long enough.
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Good morfternoon.
Edited to add - the above quote is attributable to Politics Live, Guardian
Do they have a deputy assistant deputy leader? And, if so, does s\he have an assistant?Mike Hookem resigns as Ukip's assistant deputy leader
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And its not that surprising, even if depressing, that many Tory MPs still want free unicorns (a caveat that it was apparently a self-selecting sample, however)
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The tipping point often happens in an astonishingly short period of time instigated by a small number of people turning the tide, stopping a bad course.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Yet.Willow904 wrote:Not much reason to hope in this survey of our parliamentary representatives I fear:
http://ukandeu.ac.uk/survey-of-mps-reve ... er-brexit/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;With ex-Tory ministers allegedly advising Chinese billionaires how to cash in on Brexit and a majority of Tory voters worried about the state of the NHS - but not enough to stop voting Tory - it's hard to see how we get off our current self-destructive path.Almost two-thirds of Conservative MPs (65%) agreed that ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’
A tipping point may not happen at all, we proceed down a self-destructive path, arrive in some pretty shit. I hope for the former.
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Good-afternoon, everyone
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They've got to have something wrong with them thinking it'll work out okay. Inadequate education, I guess.AnatolyKasparov wrote:And its not that surprising, even if depressing, that many Tory MPs still want free unicorns (a caveat that it was apparently a self-selecting sample, however)
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They think they'd get them if only those pesky Eurocrats weren't plotting.AnatolyKasparov wrote:And its not that surprising, even if depressing, that many Tory MPs still want free unicorns (a caveat that it was apparently a self-selecting sample, however)
Spectacular spin from the Times.The Times (paywall) says European Union leaders in Brussels have drawn up a secret high-risk strategy to undermine Theresa May and exploit Westminster’s political divisions with the objective of “softening” Brexit.
In a plan being co-ordinated by Donald Tusk, president of the European Council, the EU is preparing to reject British government proposals for a bespoke sectoral deal when negotiations begin in April.
Instead European leaders will insist that if the government sticks to its red lines of pulling out of Europe’s customs union and single market then the EU will offer nothing more than a limited free trade agreement.
'Secret high-risk strategy' = what the EU have been saying in public from day one.
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Ah, another privatisation success.AngryAsWell wrote:Ann Pettifor
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I found this and the BTL discussion quite interesting
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the-centre-for-policy-studies-has-get-every-part-of-its-scare-story-on-the-cost-of-nationalisation-wrong
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You can correct this if the Rowson doesn't come outAnatolyKasparov wrote:Quiet today, isn't it?
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Would you take advice on PFI/PPP's from this man ?
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Re: Monday 22nd January 2018
I see that Blair has been holding forth on stuff today, again.
Again he is urging us to be chummy with Trump - is he after a job?
Again he is urging us to be chummy with Trump - is he after a job?
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Re: Monday 22nd January 2018
When's this Theresa May speech thing happening (or have I missed it, jumped the gun, or totally misunderstood)?
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Eh?PorFavor wrote:When's this Theresa May speech thing happening (or have I missed it, jumped the gun, or totally misunderstood)?
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the apples purchased yesterday were every one of them badly bruised all over - it wasn't obvious until they were out of the bag
I think they were picked up off the ground
they taste horrid
I'll have to put them into a honey-brandy-rhubarb crumble
I think they were picked up off the ground
they taste horrid
I'll have to put them into a honey-brandy-rhubarb crumble
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Oh.citizenJA wrote:Eh?PorFavor wrote:When's this Theresa May speech thing happening (or have I missed it, jumped the gun, or totally misunderstood)?
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Business leaders are privately pushing for a new campaign to reverse Brexit as concerns mount about the viability of government plans to prevent a collapse in exports to Europe.
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LET'S FACE IT I'M JUST 'KIN' SEETHIN'
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No F***ing kiddinghttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... te-mistake
French president says UK took risk in way it let voters decide ‘very complicated subject’
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One day in Ftn-land, it was quiet, so PorFavor & citizenJA formed a Teletubby tribute act...PorFavor wrote:Oh.citizenJA wrote:Eh?PorFavor wrote:When's this Theresa May speech thing happening (or have I missed it, jumped the gun, or totally misunderstood)?
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Of which T3 (T the T T) was the manager
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@frog222 - make sure both the 'img' tags are on the same line as the link to the image. Your close tag keeps appearing on the next line.
Fixed your post above.
Fixed your post above.
Re: Monday 22nd January 2018
Munich - next month (the speech - on defence).
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I've got it pencilled inPorFavor wrote:Munich - next month (the speech - on defence).
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What could possibly go wrong?PorFavor wrote:Munich - next month (the speech - on defence).
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:I see that Blair has been holding forth on stuff today, again.
Again he is urging us to be chummy with Trump - is he after a job?
Not, of course, anything remotely like anything he said. Probably what you'd like him to say
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"No matter what you think of Donald Trump, Britain has to keep its relationship with America strong.”"
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I've an eraser on my pencilPaulfromYorkshire wrote:What could possibly go wrong?PorFavor wrote:Munich - next month (the speech - on defence).
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sharp as tack, me
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Poor old Tony....sad when I cannot summon the energy to argue against him now as he is so discredited......having no discernible principles catches up with you eventually
He likes autocratic rich people now doesn't he....so expect he is pretty up for Trump
Poor old Tony....sad when I cannot summon the energy to argue against him now as he is so discredited......having no discernible principles catches up with you eventually
He likes autocratic rich people now doesn't he....so expect he is pretty up for Trump
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"Theresa May is to meet Donald Trump at the Davos summit of world leaders — which opened today with a warning that Britain will fail to see economic growth pick up as other nations surge ahead."
looks a bit like someone threw lots of loosely connected quotes together:
"Theresa May is to meet Donald Trump at the Davos summit of world leaders — which opened today with a warning that Britain will fail to see economic growth pick up as other nations surge ahead."
looks a bit like someone threw lots of loosely connected quotes together:
A guarantee, no less. More snake oil.A Treasury spokeswoman said: “We are building a Britain that is fit for the future by improving skills, backing innovation and investing in infrastructure to deliver a stronger economy and guarantee a better future for the next generation.”
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there's a new John Crace article
hurrah
hurrah
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tinybgoat wrote:https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/ther ... 46496.html
"Theresa May is to meet Donald Trump at the Davos summit of world leaders — which opened today with a warning that Britain will fail to see economic growth pick up as other nations surge ahead."
looks a bit like someone threw lots of loosely connected quotes together:A guarantee, no less. More snake oil.A Treasury spokeswoman said: “We are building a Britain that is fit for the future by improving skills, backing innovation and investing in infrastructure to deliver a stronger economy and guarantee a better future for the next generation.”
Could have saved time by simply saying, "Stronger and stabler."
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THANKS !refitman wrote:@frog222 - make sure both the 'img' tags are on the same line as the link to the image. Your close tag keeps appearing on the next line.
Fixed your post above.
I looked but didn't see that difference .
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I've not explored this blog so not sure where it's starting point is, as far as Brexit (see adverts on the side) but it's still an interesting view on DD
Brexit: a Walter Mitty (sometimes) in Brussels
http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86594" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Brexit: disaster capitalism
http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86556" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(Just looked the author up - I feel I should have known him - he is a brexiteer)
Brexit: a Walter Mitty (sometimes) in Brussels
http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86594" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
..and
Brexit: disaster capitalism
http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86556" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(Just looked the author up - I feel I should have known him - he is a brexiteer)
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Your original post was like this:frog222 wrote:THANKS !refitman wrote:@frog222 - make sure both the 'img' tags are on the same line as the link to the image. Your close tag keeps appearing on the next line.
Fixed your post above.
I looked but didn't see that difference .
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-42772258Anger at nearly £4k disabled parking bay charge
Cornwall Council charges applicants for a disabled bay thousands of pounds but elsewhere people pay nothing.
Councillor Richard Pears said the authority is "effectively charging people for being disabled" and the cost should be subsidised.
Cornwall Council said the £3,800 cost is for a Traffic Regulation Order, advertising, public consultation and painting the new bay.
However, once installed the space does not guarantee parking for an individual as it is available for any disabled person to use. (BBC News website)
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Have we had this? If we have, sorry.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rse-brexitBusiness leaders push for new campaign to reverse Brexit
Senior figures in CBI urge lobby group to toughen its message amid concerns over exports
Business leaders are privately pushing for a new campaign to reverse Brexit as concerns mount about the viability of government plans to prevent a collapse in exports to Europe. (Guardian)
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Which didn't work. Houston, we have . . .
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Fixed for youPorFavor wrote:Which didn't work. Houston, we have . . .