Wednesday 24th January 2018
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Wednesday 24th January 2018
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Osborne's fuckwittery (one of many)
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Ursula K Le Guin: US fantasy author dies at home in Oregon
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"DfE director Meller’s ‘Presidents Club’ dinner rocked by sexual harassment allegations"
"DfE director Meller’s ‘Presidents Club’ dinner rocked by sexual harassment allegations"
David Meller, a non-executive director at the Department for Education and founder of the Meller Educational Trust who was made a CBE in the new year’s honours list, is co-chair of the charitable trust that runs the event.
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Nick Gibb: How can policy ensure education equity?
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Nick Gibb: How can policy ensure education equity?
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HindleA wrote:https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/ ... ion-equity
Speech
Nick Gibb: How can policy ensure education equity?
In 2010, the government came to office in Britain. We inherited a curriculum that was not fit for purpose. The national curriculum had been stripped of knowledge, leaving pupils without the cultural literacy they needed.
From a history teacher I follow...
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I find it really disheartening that so many of the edu twitter people love Gibb and his traditional position that they don't pull him up on this kind of dishonesty.That is, for me, a basic overview of the people, events and developments one would have to teach to come close to fulfilling the demands of the National Curriculum. Plenty of history teachers and historians would add more to the list; few would take much away. All of that, of course, covers just point ‘d’ from British history, and there are four more which have similar demands in terms of the knowledge that would have to be taught to meet the demands of the curriculum. On top of that, there are two points for non-British history, each requiring pupils to learn a significant quantity of factual information to meet the demands of the curriculum. It goes even further, of course. Try teaching ‘the Wars of the Roses’ or ‘the origins of the Tories and Whigs’ without introducing pupils to a considerable quantity of facts. Those 335 words of ‘Range and Content’ cannot properly be taught without teaching thousands of pieces of factual information: I challenge someone to say otherwise.
The word ‘properly’ is, of course, the crucial word. If taught properly, the current National Curriculum for history is incredibly knowledge-rich.
Anyway, off to the library. Catch you all later.
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S.I.C.K !tinybgoat wrote:https://schoolsweek.co.uk/dfe-director- ... legations/
"DfE director Meller’s ‘Presidents Club’ dinner rocked by sexual harassment allegations"David Meller, a non-executive director at the Department for Education and founder of the Meller Educational Trust who was made a CBE in the new year’s honours list, is co-chair of the charitable trust that runs the event.
""According to the FT, which sent two reporters to work undercover as hostesses, the 130 women hired to work at the men-only event were “told to wear skimpy black outfits with matching underwear and high heels”.
Hostesses “reported men repeatedly putting hands up their skirts, and one “said an attendee had exposed his penis to her during the evening”.""
Questions to be asked as to whether he is a fitting person to be in charge of educating the young ?
"" He set up the Meller Educational Trust, which runs four schools and a University Technical College. He is also chair of the National Apprenticeship Ambassador Network and the Apprenticeship Delivery Board.
Outside education, Meller chairs his family business The Meller Group, one of the largest luxury home and beauty suppliers in the UK.""
Obviously in it just for the money, I hope the creep does get hounded !
(Men-only, FFS ! )
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Morning.
Interesting Twitter thread on the next stage of Brexit negotiations from The Economist's political editor:
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'Interesting' in the confucian sense.
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Donald Tusk calls for second Brexit referendum
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You didn't find it enthralling?gilsey wrote:'Interesting' in the confucian sense.
I found the implication that EEA membership would confer some say in the rules interesting as this is different from previous views I've seen on the subject.
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Best wishes to her.AngryAsWell wrote:BBC Radio 4 TodayVerified account
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a light has gone out of the worldHindleA wrote:Ursula K Le Guin: US fantasy author dies at home in Oregon
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I think it's because EEA countries have an input into suggesting rules & supplying experts/expertise & giving views etc. but don't get to vote (which fits in with participating in single market but not being members).Willow904 wrote:You didn't find it enthralling?gilsey wrote:'Interesting' in the confucian sense.
I found the implication that EEA membership would confer some say in the rules interesting as this is different from previous views I've seen on the subject.
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PorFavor, the absence of your company is dreadful for me this morning/afternoon
Forgive the public nature of my disclosure
LeGuin wrote, The Dispossessed, Lavinia the Earthsea series
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I still believe in a town called Hope
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Thank you, adam
Paul Goodman and his brother, Percival, were social scientists providing LeGuin material for The Dispossessed.
edited to add
I didn't intend to make it sound as though she plagiarised it, she didn't
LeGuin used some of their work as inspiration
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Ah yes, plagiarism - that thing it is easy to allege but rather more difficult to actually define.
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Good morfternoon.
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David Meller quits as DfE director after sexual harassment charity dinner scandal (Politics Live, Guardian)
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What a waste of time PMQs now is. I was used to there being no answers, but this no questions thing is not an improvement.
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I have never really been a fan.SpinningHugo wrote:What a waste of time PMQs now is. I was used to there being no answers, but this no questions thing is not an improvement.
It has to be said though that within the (rather silly) rules of the game, Corbyn has been performing quite strongly lately.
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tinybgoat wrote:I think it's because EEA countries have an input into suggesting rules & supplying experts/expertise & giving views etc. but don't get to vote (which fits in with participating in single market but not being members).Willow904 wrote:You didn't find it enthralling?gilsey wrote:'Interesting' in the confucian sense.
I found the implication that EEA membership would confer some say in the rules interesting as this is different from previous views I've seen on the subject.
Afternoon all
I linked to the EEA agreement that sets out the relationships yesterday
I also pointed out there is no mention of the phrase 'Single Market' in the document - an omission surely as the whole point is to confer membership of it......apart from the bits it doesn't apply to and the fact that there are different rights applied to EU members and EFTA members as to how the rules are applied (eg the EFTA members have no vote on the final rules but also have an ability to claim some derogation that is not available to EU members)
The EEA agreement is open for all to see and read, as are the EU Custom rules
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:I have never really been a fan.SpinningHugo wrote:What a waste of time PMQs now is. I was used to there being no answers, but this no questions thing is not an improvement.
It has to be said though that within the (rather silly) rules of the game, Corbyn has been performing quite strongly lately.
If the PM doesn't answer questions then it is quite difficult to blame the questioner....this is not just a problem for May to be fair.......it has been this way for yonks
Complete waste of time unless the PM starts doing what it says on the tin
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I was gently taught never to plagiarise. There's no shame in attributing ideas and work to others learned and incorporated into other work. I'm referring to non-fiction I've written.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Ah yes, plagiarism - that thing it is easy to allege but rather more difficult to actually define.
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Isn't that work specifically about nations already in a formal agreement within the EU?howsillyofme1 wrote:Afternoon alltinybgoat wrote:I think it's because EEA countries have an input into suggesting rules & supplying experts/expertise & giving views etc. but don't get to vote (which fits in with participating in single market but not being members).Willow904 wrote:You didn't find it enthralling?
I found the implication that EEA membership would confer some say in the rules interesting as this is different from previous views I've seen on the subject.
I linked to the EEA agreement that sets out the relationships yesterday
I also pointed out there is no mention of the phrase 'Single Market' in the document - an omission surely as the whole point is to confer membership of it......apart from the bits it doesn't apply to and the fact that there are different rights applied to EU members and EFTA members as to how the rules are applied (eg the EFTA members have no vote on the final rules but also have an ability to claim some derogation that is not available to EU members)
The EEA agreement is open for all to see and read, as are the EU Custom rules
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So Boris sells lunch meetings indiscriminately, without knowing who they'll be with? Or the charity auction was selling things it hadn't yet arranged/acquired?Milton says, although lunch with Boris Johnson was one of the lots in the charity auction, Johnson did not know about that. And he was not involved in the event at all, she says.
I'm a little bit stumped, tbh. The G live blog seems a little sparse on details on this.
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Hi cJA
Yes the EEA agreement is clearly a formal agreement between the EU and EFTA
The question I have always asked is 'what do you mean by the Single Market' because it is only mentioned in the context of the EU Internal Market which is much larger in scope.
The usual answer I get is 'Norway' which has the EEA agreement so I think looking at this is useful and the commitments within it - we may build further on top of the EEA agreement (eg CU, ag and fish)
As was highlighted in the twitter there are a number of countries watching what deal is offered to the UK as any concessions may lead to EEA, CH etc coming back and asking for upodates to their treaties. I am sure the EU would like us to join EFTA and sign the EEA treaty
Yes the EEA agreement is clearly a formal agreement between the EU and EFTA
The question I have always asked is 'what do you mean by the Single Market' because it is only mentioned in the context of the EU Internal Market which is much larger in scope.
The usual answer I get is 'Norway' which has the EEA agreement so I think looking at this is useful and the commitments within it - we may build further on top of the EEA agreement (eg CU, ag and fish)
As was highlighted in the twitter there are a number of countries watching what deal is offered to the UK as any concessions may lead to EEA, CH etc coming back and asking for upodates to their treaties. I am sure the EU would like us to join EFTA and sign the EEA treaty
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You've explained it beautifully, thank you. Of all the things going on in the political world, Brexit and the UK's relationship with the EU and other nations is within the top three of my concerns and has been since the UK EU referendum result in June 2016. Your explanations help me understand the physical workings of EU-UK trade agreements and I thank you for them, sincerely. I know comparatively little about the subject.howsillyofme1 wrote:Hi cJA
Yes the EEA agreement is clearly a formal agreement between the EU and EFTA
The question I have always asked is 'what do you mean by the Single Market' because it is only mentioned in the context of the EU Internal Market which is much larger in scope.
The usual answer I get is 'Norway' which has the EEA agreement so I think looking at this is useful and the commitments within it - we may build further on top of the EEA agreement (eg CU, ag and fish)
As was highlighted in the twitter there are a number of countries watching what deal is offered to the UK as any concessions may lead to EEA, CH etc coming back and asking for upodates to their treaties. I am sure the EU would like us to join EFTA and sign the EEA treaty
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citizenJA wrote:You've explained it beautifully, thank you. Of all the things going on in the political world, Brexit and the UK's relationship with the EU and other nations is within the top three of my concerns and has been since the UK EU referendum result in June 2016. Your explanations help me understand the physical workings of EU-UK trade agreements and I thank you for them, sincerely. I know comparatively little about the subject.howsillyofme1 wrote:Hi cJA
Yes the EEA agreement is clearly a formal agreement between the EU and EFTA
The question I have always asked is 'what do you mean by the Single Market' because it is only mentioned in the context of the EU Internal Market which is much larger in scope.
The usual answer I get is 'Norway' which has the EEA agreement so I think looking at this is useful and the commitments within it - we may build further on top of the EEA agreement (eg CU, ag and fish)
As was highlighted in the twitter there are a number of countries watching what deal is offered to the UK as any concessions may lead to EEA, CH etc coming back and asking for upodates to their treaties. I am sure the EU would like us to join EFTA and sign the EEA treaty
It is quite complex and I am not pretending I am always right so am happoy to be challenged - I find Willow is also very knowledgeable and we are not always in agreement so don't take my word as gospel
I find though the treaties are a good place to start though
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Thursday ClubWillow904 wrote:So Boris sells lunch meetings indiscriminately, without knowing who they'll be with? Or the charity auction was selling things it hadn't yet arranged/acquired?Milton says, although lunch with Boris Johnson was one of the lots in the charity auction, Johnson did not know about that. And he was not involved in the event at all, she says.
I'm a little bit stumped, tbh. The G live blog seems a little sparse on details on this.
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it's only Wednesday
so, no worries
so, no worries
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Your links are excellenthowsillyofme1 wrote:It is quite complex and I am not pretending I am always right so am happoy to be challenged - I find Willow is also very knowledgeable and we are not always in agreement so don't take my word as gospelcitizenJA wrote:You've explained it beautifully, thank you. Of all the things going on in the political world, Brexit and the UK's relationship with the EU and other nations is within the top three of my concerns and has been since the UK EU referendum result in June 2016. Your explanations help me understand the physical workings of EU-UK trade agreements and I thank you for them, sincerely. I know comparatively little about the subject.
I find though the treaties are a good place to start though
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Speech by Michel Barnier at the Trends Manager of the Year 2017 event
"This is the subject of my second question.
II – What kind of future relationship does the UK want with the European Union?
We don't yet have the answer to this question. However, we can proceed by deduction, based on the Union's legal system and the UK's red lines. By officially drawing these red lines, the UK is itself closing the doors, one by one.
The British government wants to end the free movement of persons, which is indivisible from the other three freedoms. It has therefore indicated its intention of leaving the Single Market.
The British government wants to recover its independence to negotiate international agreements. It has therefore confirmed its intention of leaving the Customs Union.
The UK no longer wishes to recognise the jurisdiction of the Court of Justice of the European Union, which guarantees the application of our common rules.
It follows that the only model possible is a free trade agreement, which could obviate the need for trade barriers, such as customs duties, and could facilitate customs procedures and product certification.
This will of course be adapted to the specificities of the relationship between the EU and the UK, in the same way that our agreement with Canada is not identical to our agreements with Korea or Japan.
But one thing is clear: a free trade agreement, however ambitious, cannot include all the benefits of the Customs Union and the Single Market."
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"This is the subject of my second question.
II – What kind of future relationship does the UK want with the European Union?
We don't yet have the answer to this question. However, we can proceed by deduction, based on the Union's legal system and the UK's red lines. By officially drawing these red lines, the UK is itself closing the doors, one by one.
The British government wants to end the free movement of persons, which is indivisible from the other three freedoms. It has therefore indicated its intention of leaving the Single Market.
The British government wants to recover its independence to negotiate international agreements. It has therefore confirmed its intention of leaving the Customs Union.
The UK no longer wishes to recognise the jurisdiction of the Court of Justice of the European Union, which guarantees the application of our common rules.
It follows that the only model possible is a free trade agreement, which could obviate the need for trade barriers, such as customs duties, and could facilitate customs procedures and product certification.
This will of course be adapted to the specificities of the relationship between the EU and the UK, in the same way that our agreement with Canada is not identical to our agreements with Korea or Japan.
But one thing is clear: a free trade agreement, however ambitious, cannot include all the benefits of the Customs Union and the Single Market."
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Negotiating documents on Article 50 negotiations with the United Kingdom
Documents published as part of the European Commission's approach to transparency on Article 50 negotiations with the United Kingdom.
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Documents published as part of the European Commission's approach to transparency on Article 50 negotiations with the United Kingdom.
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Many thanksAngryAsWell wrote:Negotiating documents on Article 50 negotiations with the United Kingdom
Documents published as part of the European Commission's approach to transparency on Article 50 negotiations with the United Kingdom.
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Brexit Impact Studies by the European Parliament are publicly available
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Richard Corbett is MEP for Yorkshire and is doing some good work currently. Good for him.AngryAsWell wrote:Brexit Impact Studies by the European Parliament are publicly available
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All very well but can any of that top the following from the Department for Exiting the European Union Sectoral Analyses Committee? I think not.AngryAsWell wrote:Brexit Impact Studies by the European Parliament are publicly available
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Reads like the Hal9000 getting turned off"Electricity is a fundamental part of modern society. Residential and industrial users rely on its use to ensure basic and vital needs such as lighting, heating or refrigeration are met on a daily basis."
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I think its what we call a "long week".citizenJA wrote:it's only Wednesday
so, no worries
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David Cameron says Brexit is 'a mistake, not a disaster'
5News has released some footage of David Cameron talking about Brexit. He was talking to Lakshmi Mittal, the steel tycoon and he said.
It’s frustrating. As I keep saying, it’s a mistake, not a disaster. It’s turned out less badly than we first thought. But it’s still going to be difficult.
Cameron’s rather even-handed take on the biggest disaster of his career will probably annoy people on both sides of the Brexit argument. The Brexiters think people should accept their view that Brexit represents a splendid opportunity. And hardcore remainers think that Brexit will be a disaster and that, if it has so far turned out less badly than predicted, that is only because it has not actually happened yet.
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Marvellous.She tried on all the words, and they all fit, like hideous little hats.
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This doesn't really stack up, does it? Apparently, Nadhim Zahawi left because the event made him "uncomfortable" but he didn't stay long enough to see the goings-on (so what made him "uncomfortable"?) - although, even if he did (or didn't, but felt "uncomfortable" about something, anyway) he didn't see fit to report what's now alleged to have happened or the things which made him "uncomfortable" until this morning (ie after the story broke).When it was put to her[Anne Milton] that Zahawi, who was not in the chamber for the UQ, had not reported what went on, Milton said he had reported it to her that morning (ie, after the story appeared in the FT.) (Politics Live, Guardian)
Edited - typo
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... bligationsUK sick pay is found to breach international legal obligations
Money available is ‘manifestly inadequate’, says European committee of social rights
Statutory sick pay and government assistance for jobless and self-employed people in the UK have been found to breach international legal obligations.
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The amount of money available to those claiming statutory sick pay and employment support allowance is “manifestly inadequate”, according to the guardians of an international charter ratified by the UK in 1962. (Guardian)
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More depressing polling, this time from Germany.
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the retreat of the left looks Europe wide.
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the retreat of the left looks Europe wide.
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Except in the UK where Labour leads in polls and made large gains in last electionSpinningHugo wrote:More depressing polling, this time from Germany.
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the retreat of the left looks Europe wide.
Seems the left (if it is left) elsewhere could learn something
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Just shows that the SPD would (almost literally) be committing suicide if they entered yet another GroKo.
Fortunately, an influx of new members (ENTRYISTS!!) might just put a stop to that.
Fortunately, an influx of new members (ENTRYISTS!!) might just put a stop to that.
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