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Yahyah, hope so, of course at the end of the day it's up to the Scots, it's this utopia vision they all have that gets on my tits, idealists.. And yeah, he is a right twat, a question evading, smirking charlatan who promises all things to all people.
I'm ashamed to admit that a couple of years ago I thought a loud mouthed bruiser like Salmond may be what Labour needed in a leader.
Having watched and listened to him over the last year or so, he now makes my skin creep and I value Ed the more.
How can anyone think a decent foundation for anything, let alone a country, can be created by threatening to renege on debts and sucking up to Murdoch ?
How many of Salmond's disciples [rightly] complained about Blair and Murdoch, but now turn a blind eye to their glorious leader and the old goat's mutual a*** licking ?
What's even more frightening is that in the event of a 'yes' vote, this belligerent little prat (that's the most polite description I can think of at present) would be leading negotiations. Fat chance of winning any concessions from rUK, EU, NATO or anybody else.
it's this utopia vision they all have
Some (hopefully most) of the Scottish electorate have enough intelligence to see through his lies.
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They already had an answer for this before the poll came out - apparently the Daily Record is a Labour supporting paper, so of course the poll suits their position...
Some of them were tin foil hatting about the You Gov poll giving Yes lead, claiming it was a conspiracy by Westminster to get the No vote out.
And Twitter. I'm having such a fun conversation with Irvine Welsh, auditioning for Cliché of the Year; as I believe the Big Yin once said, the most patriotic Scot is the one who doesn't live there and, boy, is Welsh ever proving it!
Just wait until that sucker's opened up for comments. I fully expect yes supporters to invade it to accuse any and all lenders concerned about the outcome to be branded as traitors.
I am not convinced they are bluffing. Would you as a UK bank lend money on a property in Scotland.
Answer - yes if you know what the currency is, but right now you don't. So if I lend today in Sterling and Scotland has its own currency you convert to Groats at the defined rate, which is a risk. If you don't convert to Groats and the Groat depreciates you risk a bad loan.
Now if they go with Sterlingisation then there is a significant risk that very quickly they would run up debts they couldn't service. That triggers a Spain type scenario leading to unemployment, flight South and mortgage default.
Would you really lend money to buy average Scottish property?
If it were possible ... it would be lovely to spray the news over them as a kind of reality drench (gardening term there doncha know). It would have the opposite effect to boosting egos / growth and probably smell unpleasant.
They already had an answer for this before the poll came out - apparently the Daily Record is a Labour supporting paper, so of course the poll suits their position...
Some of them were tin foil hatting about the You Gov poll giving Yes lead, claiming it was a conspiracy by Westminster to get the No vote out.
RobertSnozers wrote:Media reporting that Lord Hill has been given a significant role in the EU Commission. Is this true? I've never heard of the commissioner for 'financial stability, financial services and capital markets union' before. In fact I can't find that role on the Wikipedia page for EU commission posts - is it new? It's clearly better than Transport or Regional Policy - and clearly not as good as High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy. So is it the coup that's being reported?
And Twitter. I'm having such a fun conversation with Irvine Welsh, auditioning for Cliché of the Year; as I believe the Big Yin once said, the most patriotic Scot is the one who doesn't live there and, boy, is Welsh ever proving it!
Wikipedia claims Welsh was a property developer who made money from speculating on the London housing market.
My neighbour's just called with a homemade chocolate, rasperry & fresh cream roulade for us, a treat because she knew we'd lost our cat.
Aren't people lovely ?
And Twitter. I'm having such a fun conversation with Irvine Welsh, auditioning for Cliché of the Year; as I believe the Big Yin once said, the most patriotic Scot is the one who doesn't live there and, boy, is Welsh ever proving it!
Wikipedia claims Welsh was a property developer who made money from speculating on the London housing market.
And who now lives in Chicago, which made his "Have you been living in the UK during the last 35 years?" jibe in response to a Miliband tweet rather ironic; sadly Mr Welsh did not see the irony!
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Just heard that the appeal against the badger cull going ahead without an Independent Expert Panel IS going to be allowed ....!!!!!
There was an oral hearing this afternoon.
Now - don't know if this can stop the present culling (we'll have a bloody good go for that) but if the appeal is upheld and the way this cull has been allowed to go ahead is ruled unlawful - it will invalidate the basis of any decision for further culling. And that is music to my ears - and bagfuls of peanuts to badgers.
Love our badgers by the way. Today was obviously bedding change day - drove up the track this morning and there were piles of grass / straw bedding tossed out of the sett entrances ... They are entrancing neighbours. FU to the NFU.
Sorry, I know I said I was going but interesting that Survation poll shows Labour votes backing independence: 20.8%, down from 30.1% in last Survation poll.
yahyah wrote:Sorry, I know I said I was going but interesting that Survation poll shows Labour votes backing independence: 20.8%, down from 30.1% in last Survation poll.
Well done Gordon Brown ?
Hopefully, keep hammering them Gordon.
I actually am ok with the concept of Scottish independence but the sack of blatant lies they have been told by Salmond is a disgrace.
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Louise Casey appointed by Eric Pickles to conduct wide ranging inspection into Rotherham Council governance conduct of children services.
Obviously chosen for her expertise rather than her self-publicizing skills to keep the story going for the election.
yahyah wrote:Sorry, I know I said I was going but interesting that Survation poll shows Labour votes backing independence: 20.8%, down from 30.1% in last Survation poll.
Well done Gordon Brown ?
If ''No'' comes through, or ''Naw'' as Galloway prefers and post mortems are made of both campaigns, I do believe a lot of the credit will go to Brown, one of the few heavyweights left in British politics.
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I'd never speak badly of @rupertmurdoch - he gave me my first big break & remains the smartest, boldest visionary I've ever worked for.
Definitely a 'pass the sick bag, mother' only appropriate response tweet.
yahyah wrote:Sorry, I know I said I was going but interesting that Survation poll shows Labour votes backing independence: 20.8%, down from 30.1% in last Survation poll.
Well done Gordon Brown ?
If ''No'' comes through, or ''Naw'' as Galloway prefers and post mortems are made of both campaigns, I do believe a lot of the credit will go to Brown, one of the few heavyweights left in British politics.
I hope so, but remain sceptical that the powers that be will allow him any credit.
Yes, you have a point there, scape-goats are always needed.
I wonder how many Tory voters who are against Scotland leaving the UK, realise many of the Yes votes will be thanks to Maggie Thatcher and now Cameron and his henchmen.
I wonder if it'll make them think about who to vote for in 2015? Or should I even bother asking?
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:Cameron's surely too far gone for that.
Don't think anyone can argue seriously argue that Gordon and Darling have done the hard work.
Cameron's just looked like a rabbit in the headlines.
I've been wondering where the Tories have been. I haven't followed closely but they've been conspicuous by their absence.
Labour Uncut said they'd kept out because they were hated but made some clever interventions.
They then blamed the polls on Ed Miliband. Who (by not being hated) has obviously hurt the NO campaign more, and for losing the 2011 Scottish Parliament election, when they lost 7 seats compared with 19 by the Coalition.
Orange Order plans 'loud, proud' pro-union parade in Edinburgh
Protestant fraternity in Scotland aims to celebrate British heritage on march – with or without Better Together
Tubby Isaacs wrote:Cameron's surely too far gone for that.
Don't think anyone can argue seriously argue that Gordon and Darling have done the hard work.
Cameron's just looked like a rabbit in the headlines.
I've been wondering where the Tories have been. I haven't followed closely but they've been conspicuous by their absence.
Labour Uncut said they'd kept out because they were hated but made some clever interventions.
They then blamed the polls on Ed Miliband. Who (by not being hated) has obviously hurt the NO campaign more, and for losing the 2011 Scottish Parliament election, when they lost 7 seats compared with 19 by the Coalition.
Orange Order plans 'loud, proud' pro-union parade in Edinburgh
Protestant fraternity in Scotland aims to celebrate British heritage on march – with or without Better Together
BBC anchorman: So the NO side, for all the criticism and wobbles, have won rather comfortably. What do you make of it, Nick?
Nick Robinson: Let's leave aside all the boring economic and constitutional stuff for a minute. What this referendum has really been is a referendum on the government in Westminster. And David Cameron has won it. He's had to make very unpopular decisions, but he's won it, and in hostile territory for the Tories.
BBC anchorman: So could he claim it as vindication for his modernisation project?
Nick Robinson: I think he can. He's actually won over a lot of natural Labour supporters, who worryingly for them still don't seem to rate Ed Miliband any more than they did when they voted for the SNP in 2011, which allowed the whole referendum to take place.
BBC anchorman: Briefly, Nick, how does that leave him for the General Election next year?
Nick Robinson: If you'd asked me that a week ago, before David Cameron's unashamedly emotional appeal for the union, I'd have said he was struggling. But he's turned all that around. He'll now be able to concentrate full time on seeing off UKIP, though he may well lose Clacton to Douglas Carswell because of Labour's failure to pick up swing voters. And there's a theme here- Mr Cameron is a fighter and a survivor. Will Ed Miliband have the stomach for that fight?
Tubby Isaacs wrote:BBC anchorman: So the NO side, for all the criticism and wobbles, have won rather comfortably. What do you make of it, Nick?
Nick Robinson: Let's leave aside all the boring economic and constitutional stuff for a minute. What this referendum has really been is a referendum on the government in Westminster. And David Cameron has won it. He's had to make very unpopular decisions, but he's won it, and in hostile territory for the Tories.
BBC anchorman: So could he claim it as vindication for his modernisation project?
Nick Robinson: I think he can. He's actually won over a lot of natural Labour supporters, who worryingly for them still don't seem to rate Ed Miliband any more than they did when they voted for the SNP in 2011, which allowed the whole referendum to take place.
BBC anchorman: Briefly, Nick, how does that leave him for the General Election next year?
Nick Robinson: If you'd asked me that a week ago, before David Cameron's unashamedly emotional appeal for the union, I'd have said he was struggling. But he's turned all that around. He'll now be able to concentrate full time on seeing off UKIP, though he may well lose Clacton to Douglas Carswell because of Labour's failure to pick up swing voters. And there's a theme here- Mr Cameron is a fighter and a survivor. Will Ed Miliband have the stomach for that fight?
BBC Anchorman: You mention Clacton there. Shouldn't the Tories really be looking to hold a seat like that so near to a General Election?
Nick Robinson: The thing about Clacton is that it's not really part of twenty-first century Britain. You can basically assume that a vote for UKIP is a vote against all the political parties. Sure it might go down on paper as a Tory loss, but that doesn't really tell the whole truth. Actually, it's only a third of a seat loss for them, Labour and the Liberal Democrats. Perhaps less than that for the Tories because Douglas Carswell used to be a Tory. In fact, perhaps it's a gain as well as a loss. David Cameron is well-placed to win the moral election next year.
Tubby Isaacs wrote:BBC anchorman: So the NO side, for all the criticism and wobbles, have won rather comfortably. What do you make of it, Nick?
Nick Robinson: Let's leave aside all the boring economic and constitutional stuff for a minute. What this referendum has really been is a referendum on the government in Westminster. And David Cameron has won it. He's had to make very unpopular decisions, but he's won it, and in hostile territory for the Tories.
BBC anchorman: So could he claim it as vindication for his modernisation project?
Nick Robinson: I think he can. He's actually won over a lot of natural Labour supporters, who worryingly for them still don't seem to rate Ed Miliband any more than they did when they voted for the SNP in 2011, which allowed the whole referendum to take place.
BBC anchorman: Briefly, Nick, how does that leave him for the General Election next year?
Nick Robinson: If you'd asked me that a week ago, before David Cameron's unashamedly emotional appeal for the union, I'd have said he was struggling. But he's turned all that around. He'll now be able to concentrate full time on seeing off UKIP, though he may well lose Clacton to Douglas Carswell because of Labour's failure to pick up swing voters. And there's a theme here- Mr Cameron is a fighter and a survivor. Will Ed Miliband have the stomach for that fight?