Thursday 15th February 2018
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Thursday 15th February 2018
Morning all.
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Morning.
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Martin Rowson on Boris Johnson's Brexit speech
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Martin Rowson on Boris Johnson's Brexit speech
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The Work and Pensions Committee publishes a report on British Steel Pension Schemes (BSPS). The Committee says, another major misselling scandal is already erupting on defined benefit pension transfers, and calls on the responsible authorities to take urgent action
The Work and Pensions Committee publishes a report on British Steel Pension Schemes (BSPS). The Committee says, another major misselling scandal is already erupting on defined benefit pension transfers, and calls on the responsible authorities to take urgent action
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"The Work and Pensions Committee publishes report which says public contract failures have led to a loss of trust that risks undermining the operation of major disability benefits"
"The Work and Pensions Committee publishes report which says public contract failures have led to a loss of trust that risks undermining the operation of major disability benefits"
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"Consider bringing in house".Well of course,if any area where it was highly inappropriate,this is it.
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Can't believe what they get for "paper only"same percentage before they spewed 675 m(Estimate,I think higher) on "reform"
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Today's front page of the Sun:
Is that actually the "best" they have got??
Is that actually the "best" they have got??
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Well, Boris Johnson and Theresa May both bombed - so yes, I expect it is.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Today's front page of the Sun:
Is that actually the "best" they have got??
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Good morfternoon.
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Seems right to me
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Though far too generous to Gove and McDonnell. Opt out, vote elsewhere.
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Though far too generous to Gove and McDonnell. Opt out, vote elsewhere.
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An act of gross irresponsibility of course,unless of course you have an agenda.
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Helen Lewis. Hahahahahahaha.
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It's quite amazing that Helen Lewis just knows what Jeremy Corbyn thinks.SpinningHugo wrote:Seems right to me
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Though far too generous to Gove and McDonnell. Opt out, vote elsewhere.
She provides some decent support for the rest of her assertions, but on Corbyn she's just making it up in the usual way.
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The quote is
Is it really unreasonable to assume that Corbyn actually wants to put jobs first?Corbyn himself talks relentlessly about a “jobs-first Brexit” to disguise the fact he’s fine with pretty much any kind of Brexit.
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Oh Paul.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:It's quite amazing that Helen Lewis just knows what Jeremy Corbyn thinks.SpinningHugo wrote:Seems right to me
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Though far too generous to Gove and McDonnell. Opt out, vote elsewhere.
She provides some decent support for the rest of her assertions, but on Corbyn she's just making it up in the usual way.
So she's right about all the politicians you dislike, just not the one you like.
Corbyn is appalling.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Helen Lewis. Hahahahahahaha.
Good argument well made.
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Yes I know you and Helen Lewis suffer the same inability to back up assertions with any shred of explanation or evidence. I didn't really need you to demonstrate it againSpinningHugo wrote:Oh Paul.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:It's quite amazing that Helen Lewis just knows what Jeremy Corbyn thinks.SpinningHugo wrote:Seems right to me
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Though far too generous to Gove and McDonnell. Opt out, vote elsewhere.
She provides some decent support for the rest of her assertions, but on Corbyn she's just making it up in the usual way.
So she's right about all the politicians you dislike, just not the one you like.
Corbyn is appalling.
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Compare and contrastSpinningHugo wrote:AnatolyKasparov wrote:Helen Lewis. Hahahahahahaha.
Good argument well made.
Corbyn is appaling
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Moving on, but sticking with journalistic standards, this is quite amusing
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Its about what she deserves.SpinningHugo wrote:AnatolyKasparov wrote:Helen Lewis. Hahahahahahaha.
Good argument well made.
One of the most vapid milquetoast centrists out there, her response to Trump's victory (she would be getting out her West Wing box set) really said it all.
Oh, there is of course at least one exception to this - she is a pretty vicious TERF.
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Compare and contrastSpinningHugo wrote:AnatolyKasparov wrote:Helen Lewis. Hahahahahahaha.
Good argument well made.Corbyn is appaling
You feel I've not done enough to explain why he is dreadful?
I must redouble my efforts.
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George Eaton
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trade-delusion-why-brexit-wont-be-britains-salvation
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Customs Union withdrawal is a solution in search of a problem. Indeed, worse, it will merely multiply the epic challenges that Britain already faces.
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Meanwhile, sensible centrist hero Macron has announced he wants to restore compulsory military service.
Further comment is superfluous.
Further comment is superfluous.
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This is excellent news. Gives us half a chance of retaining some French people in the UKAnatolyKasparov wrote:Meanwhile, sensible centrist hero Macron has announced he wants to restore compulsory military service.
Further comment is superfluous.
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Seems to have been an election promise. Completely unnecessary.
I don't think the conscription period is going to be very long, seeing he's lined the military up for cuts. Edit- he seems to have scrapped the military cuts.
I don't think the conscription period is going to be very long, seeing he's lined the military up for cuts. Edit- he seems to have scrapped the military cuts.
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I like compulsory national service everyone has to do
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I don't like that military thing, it's failure. War is failure.
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citizenJA wrote:I like compulsory national service everyone has to do
I don't. I think it is slavery by another name.
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I think I agree - actually a non-military form *can* sound attractive on paper, but the devil is in the detail. In practice it will always be problematic, I suspect.SpinningHugo wrote:citizenJA wrote:I like compulsory national service everyone has to do
I don't. I think it is slavery by another name.
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German firm to design successor to Land Rover Defender
Ineos chairman hands contract to MBtech to create and produce prototypes of ‘world-class 4x4’
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Ineos chairman hands contract to MBtech to create and produce prototypes of ‘world-class 4x4’
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:I think I agree - actually a non-military form *can* sound attractive on paper, but the devil is in the detail. In practice it will always be problematic, I suspect.SpinningHugo wrote:citizenJA wrote:I like compulsory national service everyone has to do
I don't. I think it is slavery by another name.
Compelling people to work, even if it is "improving" or "for their own benefit" is slavery.
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A bit more on trade , the 'British working man' and the economy from kwarteng Patel et alPaulfromYorkshire wrote:George Eaton
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trade-delusion-why-brexit-wont-be-britains-salvationCustoms Union withdrawal is a solution in search of a problem. Indeed, worse, it will merely multiply the epic challenges that Britain already faces.
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The one-star comments are rather fun
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If we're all compelled to work to earn the money necessary to pay for the basic necessities of life, does that make us all slaves to capitalism?
"Fall seven times, get up eight" - Japanese proverb
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We rely upon each other, our society, community. We forget this.
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Did anyone else see the idea that students would be compelled to work in the fields to harvest crops to replace the seasonal workers from the EU?!
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Pretty much. Working for a living, working for currency paying taxes, shelter and food is often not fulfilling. Worse, it's dangerous, taking years off our lives, causing disability.Willow904 wrote:If we're all compelled to work to earn the money necessary to pay for the basic necessities of life, does that make us all slaves to capitalism?
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Certainly it's a problem with pure liberalism isn't it?citizenJA wrote:We rely upon each other, our society, community. We forget this.
Can we truly sustain effective communities if everyone's right to be completely free is paramount?
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When? With what time? Students have at least one full time job as it is - study.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Did anyone else see the idea that students would be compelled to work in the fields to harvest crops to replace the seasonal workers from the EU?!
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Ursula LeGuin's, The Dispossessed, has been a good friend of mine for many years.
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Life expectancy gap between rich and poor widens
Life expectancy gap between rich and poor widens
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The lack of detail and uncertainty for EEA nationals with just months to go before the process to confirm their status is supposed to start and only a year to go before Brexit is not only difficult and stressful for those affected, it also raises serious questions about [UK Visas and Immigration] UKVI’s level of preparedness and ability to deliver a new system. If key questions are not swiftly resolved and delivery plans drawn up, we do not believe that UKVI will be capable of delivering significant changes to the system either at the border or on registration by March 2019.
It is deeply regrettable that the Home Office does not now intend to publish the promised White Paper on Immigration until autumn of this year. This means continued anxiety for individuals and heightens the prospect of UKVI having insufficient time to plan properly to deliver its services. Much greater clarity is needed now on a series of issues which are causing uncertainty for EEA citizens, employers and UKVI staff.
Home Office delivery of Brexit: immigration
9 February 2018
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The Home Office’s roll out of a simple phone app to register EU citizens in the UK, replacing the 85-page application pack, has been delayed because of the prime minister’s warning that they will have no automatic right to remain if they come to the UK after 29 March 2019. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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Government "simple" 'phone app?
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Labour caling for assistance in today's local election in neighbouring village."Getting surrounded,send reinforcements".At current rate of encroachment,I will be left with my back garden as an oasis of non Toryism.
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Send three and fourpence, we're going to a dance.HindleA wrote:Labour caling for assistance in today's local election in neighbouring village."Getting surrounded,send reinforcements".At current rate of encroachment,I will be left with my back garden as an oasis of non Toryism.
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A bit gobsmacked to be honest on a left wing forum as to the dissing of work,unless I have misinterpreted,enjoined endeavour,social interaction,a sense of worth/value,belonging.I have a wider definition clarification.
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Surrounded by Tories, not LibDems?HindleA wrote:Labour caling for assistance in today's local election in neighbouring village."Getting surrounded,send reinforcements".At current rate of encroachment,I will be left with my back garden as an oasis of non Toryism.
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oh, good lordPorFavor wrote:Government "simple" 'phone app?
insane
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Please continueHindleA wrote:A bit gobsmacked to be honest on a left wing forum as to the dissing of work,unless I have misinterpreted,enjoined endeavour,social interaction,a sense of worth/value,belonging.I have a wider definition clarification.
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Tory MP,they are after village near where he lives.Libdem got another nearby village (the biting incident).