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Thursday 1st March 2018
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Good morfternoon.
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Defrosting feet and eating beef lasagne.
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Preferable to the other way around.
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Who are you calling a bounder?
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Does anyone think that giving a speech is likely to be the best way to resolve all the knotty issues around Brexit?
The last thing we need is a sodding speech!
The last thing we need is a sodding speech!
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What - our Tone?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Does anyone think that giving a speech is likely to be the best way to resolve all the knotty issues around Brexit?
The last thing we need is a sodding speech!
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May I expect.PorFavor wrote:What - our Tone?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Does anyone think that giving a speech is likely to be the best way to resolve all the knotty issues around Brexit?
The last thing we need is a sodding speech!
Morning all.
Snow settled in and still falling....wife's gone to keep fit and I;m not moving from my spot.
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The dangers of pluralism in economics: the case of MMT
The dangers of pluralism in economics: the case of MMT
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Good-morning, everyone
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If giving a speech meant clearly setting out what we expect.... but instead 'these are my opinions, if you don't like them I have others.'RogerOThornhill wrote:May I expect.PorFavor wrote:What - our Tone?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Does anyone think that giving a speech is likely to be the best way to resolve all the knotty issues around Brexit?
The last thing we need is a sodding speech!
Morning all.
Snow settled in and still falling....wife's gone to keep fit and I;m not moving from my spot.
There's still lots of 'it's a negotiation, stupid' talk BTL. The government (and leave supporters) think they are shopping in an antique market - you say 100, I say 50, let's find somewhere to meet. The rest of the EU think we are shopping at a supermarket - if you want these things then this is what it costs. The end. They are being remarkably consistent about this.
May just seems interested in somehow keeping the conservative party together for one more day.
Interestingly the remain rebels are already backtracking on their position - there are already some of the apparent supporters of the customs union amendment saying it is fair from sure that they would vote with Labour against the government. She can pretty much rely on those MPs to not force the issue if she goes against them- she can pretty much rely on the leave extremists to be much more likely to force the issue if she goes against them.
Odds remain most likely on everything falling apart and leaving without a deal, I think.
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Thus, even (theoretically) giving in one every last point to the EU's demands could still become a net positive for the British government, if only they can sell it in a way that the tabloids (and their voters) stay on their side.
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This tactic is of course based on the assumption that most people won't notice if, on the ground, things then do indeed change, and not necessarily for the better. But with right PR spin, even this fallout might be contained.
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Bingo! It's the Alexis Tsipras playbook. Fight, fight, fight LOUDLY. Then surrender very quietly and hope all the fighting satiated the animal passions.
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I agree. By the way, as counterintuitive as it may sound, but I think the EU could learn something from that. They usually score "real" victories on substance, but almost never succeed in actually selling those to the public. Also a recipe for misery.
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Thus, even (theoretically) giving in one every last point to the EU's demands could still become a net positive for the British government, if only they can sell it in a way that the tabloids (and their voters) stay on their side.
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This tactic is of course based on the assumption that most people won't notice if, on the ground, things then do indeed change, and not necessarily for the better. But with right PR spin, even this fallout might be contained.
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Bingo! It's the Alexis Tsipras playbook. Fight, fight, fight LOUDLY. Then surrender very quietly and hope all the fighting satiated the animal passions.
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I agree. By the way, as counterintuitive as it may sound, but I think the EU could learn something from that. They usually score "real" victories on substance, but almost never succeed in actually selling those to the public. Also a recipe for misery.
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RogerOThornhill wrote:May I expect.PorFavor wrote:What - our Tone?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Does anyone think that giving a speech is likely to be the best way to resolve all the knotty issues around Brexit?
The last thing we need is a sodding speech!
Morning all.
Snow settled in and still falling....wife's gone to keep fit and I;m not moving from my spot.
Oh, her. I was reading earlier that she'd gone onto the stand-up comedy circuit.
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UK factory growth hits eight-month low, as house prices drop
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Immigration officials to continue to seek NHS England patient data
Ministers reject calls to suspend practice amid fears it is stopping migrants seeking medical help
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Housing prices in the UK and London fall, homelessness rises, more children than ever sleep in B&Bs
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4) In London alone there are an estimated 225,000 “hidden homeless” people aged 16-25 – arranging their own temporary accommodation with friends or family.
5) The upper middle class are most concerned that no one is paying the asking price in Fulham any more.
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And an apology? Too much to expect I guess...
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Mea culpa, I was wrong to say that Mr Corbyn voted against the Good Friday Agreement. He did not.
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At least he didn't wait for the lawyers.RogerOThornhill wrote:And an apology? Too much to expect I guess...
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Mea culpa, I was wrong to say that Mr Corbyn voted against the Good Friday Agreement. He did not.
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The European parliament has issued an embarrassing snub to Theresa May’s concessions over EU migrants, rejecting the UK’s offer in a move that casts fresh doubt on the prospect of reaching an agreement on the transition period by March, my colleague Daniel Boffey reports. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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May stipulated UK courts alone without the ECJ would oversee proceedingsPorFavor wrote:The European parliament has issued an embarrassing snub to Theresa May’s concessions over EU migrants, rejecting the UK’s offer in a move that casts fresh doubt on the prospect of reaching an agreement on the transition period by March, my colleague Daniel Boffey reports. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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That T3 character for a start.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Who are you calling a bounder?
Shunning the blue thermals - hah!
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Thread on the NI Border issue and GFA.
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Ever resourceful,made himself an igloo.
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"Waiting for suitable picture"
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Tory conference is now cancelled
Is May still going to make her speech?
Is May still going to make her speech?
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howsillyofme1 wrote:Tory conference is now cancelled
Is May still going to make her speech?
apologies if this has already been postedSeverin Carrell
That Conservative Party conference in Scotland, at which Theresa May was due to speak, has been cancelled because of the snow (see earlier).
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BREAKING: @ScotTories cancel their #spring conference in #Aberdeen, this weekend, due to #beastfromtheeast #snow
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Inquiry urges payouts for victims of postwar UK child migration scheme
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Don't expect much from the new consultation on civil society
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Leveson Inquiry: Matt Hancock axes proposed second stage
Leveson Inquiry: Matt Hancock axes proposed second stage
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I think the idea postulated by some, that JRM got the GFA and Anglo-Irish Agreement mixed up, is not implausible.
Still, that explanation doesn't really reflect well on him either does it?
Still, that explanation doesn't really reflect well on him either does it?
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Damning
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Absolutely disgusting. Am expecting Labour to kick up a massive storm about this in the house. Didn't most of the Tory MPs vote for it at the time?HindleA wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43240230
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tomorrow’s FT - we don’t even bother to show up for the negotiations. This government is completely at sea.
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tomorrow’s FT - we don’t even bother to show up for the negotiations. This government is completely at sea.
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Must be something in the water they drink at the Beeb.
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Stupid @BBCNews reporter asking a pensioner "Why is it important to get a hot meal", while it's freezing and snowing outside.... IDIOT reporter. #BBCNews BBC 1pm News.
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#bbcnews having a reporter freeze his nuts off stood by the Angel of the North helps how? @BBCNews #Snowmageddon
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#bbcnews having a reporter freeze his nuts off stood by the Angel of the North helps how? @BBCNews #Snowmageddon
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Disgusting maybe, but also one of the most unsurprising bits of news there will be this year.GetYou wrote:Absolutely disgusting. Am expecting Labour to kick up a massive storm about this in the house. Didn't most of the Tory MPs vote for it at the time?HindleA wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43240230
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Of course despite it being a secret ballot, everyone is "reliably informed" that those on the "hard left" were against the suspension and it was Ian McNicol that made it happen
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Ah, that's not what supposedly "well placed sources" were telling us would happen just days ago........PaulfromYorkshire wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ism-claims
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Thread on grilling of Boris over the Garden Bridge.
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How can anyone take Boris seriously when he comes out with guff like this?
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Boris Johnson says the Garden Bridge linked two areas that much needed regeneration. Hmmmm. This linked Temple to South Bank.
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From what I've read, Boris Johnson doesn't appear to be taking it seriously (except insofaras he's trying to talk it out - and getting away with it).
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It's one of those great failings of systems of accountability - we can ask you questions about this but we've only got 45 minutes so you can just talk us out. There must be a way around this kind of thing...hopefully he did enough badly enough to get the CPS to have a look...PorFavor wrote:From what I've read, Boris Johnson doesn't appear to be taking it seriously (except insofaras he's trying to talk it out - and getting away with it).
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There is a left wing majority on the NEC now, or at least that's what these very same "journalists" have been telling us??PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Of course despite it being a secret ballot, everyone is "reliably informed" that those on the "hard left" were against the suspension and it was Ian McNicol that made it happen
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Snow has finally reached here and, at the moment, it's settling.
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