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Monday 16th April 2018
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Councils behaving badly – Part whatever
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Councils behaving badly – Part whatever
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"Ex-FBI chief calls Trump ‘morally unfit’ for presidency"
"Ex-FBI chief calls Trump ‘morally unfit’ for presidency"
Bad leaders & policies get to break more than just legs.Comey compared Trump to the mafia bosses he spent years prosecuting as a young public servant.
“I’m not trying to … suggest that President Trump is out breaking legs and, you know, shaking down shopkeepers,” Comey said, adding that the similarity was in what he saw as a culture of loyalty around the president. “The loyalty oaths, the boss as the dominant center of everything, it’s all about how do you serve the boss, what’s in the boss’ interests. It’s the family, the family, the family, the family.”
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Ladies & gentlemen, We have,today,the winner of the total lack of self awareness award for this, and maybe any other, year.
Andrew Pierce(won't link for obvious reasons) the doyen of reasoned and balanced discussion in the Daily Fascist and other right wing organs calls someone else "insufferably smug"
Andrew Pierce(won't link for obvious reasons) the doyen of reasoned and balanced discussion in the Daily Fascist and other right wing organs calls someone else "insufferably smug"
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Open consultation
Changes to the Cold Weather Payments official statistics
Open consultation
Changes to the Cold Weather Payments official statistics
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Segregating pupils with special educational needs leaves us all poorer
John Harris
Segregating pupils with special educational needs leaves us all poorer
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Bedroom Tax – the powers of the Tribunal and a sufficient chest of drawers
Bedroom Tax – the powers of the Tribunal and a sufficient chest of drawers
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McVey justifying the rape clause,as a means of support.
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And all those Tories claiming that she has been "demonised"HindleA wrote:McVey justifying the rape clause,as a means of support.
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Morning all.
Good explainer of the issues around the Windrush kids.
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Good explainer of the issues around the Windrush kids.
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Yes, this was my understanding of the situation.RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.
Good explainer of the issues around the Windrush kids.
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I hope my response to your post yesterday on this subject wasn't objectionable to you; it wasn't my intention when I wrote it.
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Good-morning, everyone
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Yes, I took great exception to it and went off in a huff...citizenJA wrote:Yes, this was my understanding of the situation.RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.
Good explainer of the issues around the Windrush kids.
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I hope my response to your post yesterday on this subject wasn't objectionable to you; it wasn't my intention when I wrote it.
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Excellent
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The fees for each stage of UK settlement have increased significantly
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Whoops...there's that reverse gear being applied...
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Downing Street says Prime Minister Theresa May will meet counterparts from Caribbean states to discuss concerns over the status of 'Windrush' generation immigrants
12:07 PM - 16 Apr 2018
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Child born outside the UK to at least one British citizen is a British citizen
Prove it
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Evidence not robust - no proof of British citizenship. You must satisfactorily prove you are a British citizen.
I'm rather devastated by your response above at the moment...
You must satisfactorily prove you are a British citizen
My parent(s) are British citizens
You must satisfactorily prove you are a British citizen
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Prove it
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Evidence not robust - no proof of British citizenship. You must satisfactorily prove you are a British citizen.
I'm rather devastated by your response above at the moment...
You must satisfactorily prove you are a British citizen
My parent(s) are British citizens
You must satisfactorily prove you are a British citizen
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We'll not buy your innovative fruit preserves if you don't meet with us
Oh, damn it. Okay, we'll meet with you
Oh, damn it. Okay, we'll meet with you
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Now watch senior civil servants at the Home Office being pushed under a bus with politicians in charge saying "Hey, don't blame us we're not responsible!"
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Whoops! Sorry, slight mistake. Never mind, eh? No harm done . . .
9m ago 12:30
According to Channel 4 News’s Cathy Newman, the immigration minister Caroline Nokes told her in an interview being broadcast tonight that some “Windrush generation” immigrants have been deported in error. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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Immigration minister @carolinenokes apologises to #Windrush generation wrongly questioned over their right to stay in UK but tells me some have been deported in error. Watch full interview at 7 on @Channel4News
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***king hell.
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Immigration minister @carolinenokes apologises to #Windrush generation wrongly questioned over their right to stay in UK but tells me some have been deported in error. Watch full interview at 7 on @Channel4News
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***king hell.
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Who runs Britain?
The Guardian has been on the Windrush case for some time. Response from our beloved leaders. Ignore.
A petition is signed by (currently) 130000 ordinary citizens Response.Lets have a debate because we have to.Then ignore.
The Sun/Mail pick up on the story today. Response. Panic!
Dont tell me this is not a government run by a servants on behalf of a few tax avoiders who cant stand to live in this benighted country of ours!
Edited to add petition comments.
The Guardian has been on the Windrush case for some time. Response from our beloved leaders. Ignore.
A petition is signed by (currently) 130000 ordinary citizens Response.Lets have a debate because we have to.Then ignore.
The Sun/Mail pick up on the story today. Response. Panic!
Dont tell me this is not a government run by a servants on behalf of a few tax avoiders who cant stand to live in this benighted country of ours!
Edited to add petition comments.
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Does anyone actually believe "in error"?
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I don't.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Does anyone actually believe "in error"?
Only "through sheer incompetence" will really do as an alternative to the more obvious racism.
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NoAnatolyKasparov wrote:Does anyone actually believe "in error"?
People denied their rights as British citizens is horrifying
Any government changing rights, privileges and/or obligations retroactively violates a trust, throws rule of law right the hell out the window
You'll never know until you're informed of changes
Unacceptable
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"How EU milk is sinking Africa’s farmers"
"How EU milk is sinking Africa’s farmers"
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Mr. Speaker isn't called a Tory. He's in the Speaker party.
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The Home Office itself should be duty-bound to "find" this evidence and then share it with those affected (for their own retention and reference, in case it should be needed in future). Of course, if people want assistance in finding evidence for themselves (in the unikely event of their not trusting the Home Office) then - fine.18m ago 16:02
Rudd says that, if people have been in this country for decades, there will be proof of that. The Home Office will help “Windrush generation” applicants to find this evidence, she says. (Politics Live, Guardian)
And why, if this "evidence" is so freely available, hasn't the Home Office done this already? Lack of will being the obvious answer.
I thought that David Lammy was excellent!
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Brass neck anyone?
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This is just an appalling situation. Having contributed to all aspects of our country for decades & proudly call Britain home, since when have our values changed to create this injustice?
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Yes - I've been wondering about that, but didn't wish to appear foolish and\or ignorant. ("Too late!" I hear you all chorus.)He [Jeremy Corbyn] says news reports have shown people at the bomb site in Douma without protective clothing. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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And the next one please...
I mean c'mon - it's not like he was at Theresa May's side at the Home office for years and then in No 10 is it? Oh...wait..Nick Timothy
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.@TomTugendhat spot on about Windrush kids. The solution lies in formalising their status, not abandoning sensible policies to limit illegal immigration. But this is urgent: they’re Brits who have done nothing wrong, yet they’re being treated terribly.
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So he is a CONSPIRACY THEORIST as well, then??PorFavor wrote:Yes - I've been wondering about that, but didn't wish to appear foolish and\or ignorant. ("Too late!" I hear you all chorus.)He [Jeremy Corbyn] says news reports have shown people at the bomb site in Douma without protective clothing. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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May refuses to commit to consulting parliament before any future air strikes against Syrian regime
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I admire Tories for one single thing
Publicly staying together
It's essential for maintaining leadership given the current party system in the UK
Publicly staying together
It's essential for maintaining leadership given the current party system in the UK
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This is from 2014.
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Thousands of migrants who have lived and worked legally in Britain for decades, in many cases having arrived in the country as children, are falling victim of the government’s more restrictive immigration laws, according to a report by the charity Legal Action Group.
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you gotta be kidding meThe Conservative MP Steve Double thanks May in the Commons for not giving him responsibility for making the decision about airstrikes when he did not have access to the relevant intelligence. It was right for the executive to take the decision, he suggests. May welcomes his comments.
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In here if anyone hasn't yet seen it.PorFavor wrote: I thought that David Lammy was excellent!
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Outrageous commentary below the line elsewhere
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Well.
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Goodnight, everyone
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A question that has been intriguing me .
David Lammy won on Windrush.
On the security/bombing debate in parliament, who won ?
a In parliamentary theatre .
b In the court of public opinion ?
David Lammy won on Windrush.
On the security/bombing debate in parliament, who won ?
a In parliamentary theatre .
b In the court of public opinion ?
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Just off to read the Crace --
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Hoping for answers to my questions !
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Hoping for answers to my questions !
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This is very amusing...
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Watching the statement and ensuing discussion was profoundly depressing. The level of exchanges was almost uniformly low. Tories pretended it was Corbyn the HoC should be discussing and he was an enemy of the UK anyway; the usual Labour suspects continued to oppose their leader rather than the government. Only the SNP introduced serious points for consideration.
May of course did not answer any of the substantial questions but lapped up the sycophancy while colluding with Tory pretense that Corbyn was somehow the villain here. The Syrians didn’t get much of a look in.
A despicable performance all round.
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mugsey jamted 40m ago
Totally agree. I never thought I could ever hate the tories, and the ideas they represent, as much as I did in the 80s, but they are driving me crazy now. In fact I am nearly at the stage where maybe Thatcher wasn’t so bad after all.
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Watching the statement and ensuing discussion was profoundly depressing. The level of exchanges was almost uniformly low. Tories pretended it was Corbyn the HoC should be discussing and he was an enemy of the UK anyway; the usual Labour suspects continued to oppose their leader rather than the government. Only the SNP introduced serious points for consideration.
May of course did not answer any of the substantial questions but lapped up the sycophancy while colluding with Tory pretense that Corbyn was somehow the villain here. The Syrians didn’t get much of a look in.
A despicable performance all round.
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mugsey jamted 40m ago
Totally agree. I never thought I could ever hate the tories, and the ideas they represent, as much as I did in the 80s, but they are driving me crazy now. In fact I am nearly at the stage where maybe Thatcher wasn’t so bad after all.
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Oh dear, I had the same thought about Thatcher !
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Thatcher really *was* as bad a lot of the time, its just that the passage of time has dulled the pain somewhat.
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Dearie me, Hannan really is an unpleasant little man isn't he?
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Andrew Cooper's response pretty much sums him up.
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Andrew Cooper's response pretty much sums him up.
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Anybody going to turn the page over before we clock off, then?
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