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Re UC,domestic abuse and single payment,which I personally against on principle.

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Either of us could have made the claim for eventual means tested,now not possible(prior to UC change under Labour not a party point)

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1.Denies full recognition/right to exist.
2.Inevitable withering on the vine or
3.Disappearance ,as we are seeing
In short
There is nothing inherently good about simplification,never mind a principle to strive for IMHO.

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I also have grave concerns about using a "general assessment" ie eliminating assessments bespoke to specific purpose and eligibility,fundamental differences pertain as much as repeating the same/similar information may be a pain it is necessary IMHO.

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If politicos had the faintest idea and I had any residual faith of genuinity I might come to a different view,indeed there was a brief time of moving in the right direction as far as I was concerned,barring the ever pernicious and undermining DWP,which must go as a first step IMHO

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If politicos had the faintest idea and I had any residual faith of genuinity I might come to a different view,indeed there was a brief time of moving in the right direction as far as I was concerned,barring the ever pernicious and undermining DWP,which must go as a first step IMHO

I don't know if we've already had this, but here goes --
No evidence that benefit sanctions work, finds secret DWP report
" The report, published with no ministerial announcement on 12 September, shows docking benefits as a punishment for alleged failures to comply with Jobcentre Plus rules does not encourage claimants to apply for additional work, and in some cases “damages the relationship between the work coach and the claimant”." (Shome Cases only ? )
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 77061.html
Fining people because they don't have more money, yet another classic of the Hostile Environment !


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Weakening of trade union power has hit workers' pay, says Bank of England chief economist Andy Haldane
" Mr Haldane, in his speech at an ACAS conference in London, also echoed another Labour critique of the modern workplace, by suggesting that the rise of insecure work and zero hours contracts was holding back pay by acting as a disincentive for people to move jobs (or “twist”), something that has been traditionally associated with a pay rise.

“One of the side-effects of structurally-higher job insecurity is a reduced willingness to add to that uncertainty by moving job,” he said."

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“One of the side-effects of structurally-higher job insecurity is a reduced willingness to add to that uncertainty by moving job,” he said."

The Pope's Catholic, you know.

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Blair's definitely lost the plot.
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Blair says the problem with the negotiation is not that the government does not have skilled negotiators. He says Dominic Raab, the relatively new Brexit secretary, seems able and highly intelligent.

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Interesting,here the work force is very" fluid",I am now one of the longest here,less than a year,though more of a rotation between different firms.I have a 57.5 hr per week contract,most are on 48,seems to be a "divergence"

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“One of the side-effects of structurally-higher job insecurity is a reduced willingness to add to that uncertainty by moving job,” he said."
The Pope's Catholic, you know.

I learn something new every day . As you missed it, the point is that the chief economist at the BoE makes an additional argument against the DWP's insistence that employed people on low incomes can always earn more .

My proposition for DWP staff is that any of them who receive state aid such as child benefit should have their salaries reduced if they don't earn more within say two months .


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Any participation may be used against you,similarly the fact,despite no expection to even seek employment,the fact I worked a few hours was a justification to play the work more hours card to offset the loss of housing support barring interest bearing loan with charges by "Esther"

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Maybe they all agree with simplifying because they have an unreal simplistic view.

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https://www.cqc.org.uk/publications/maj ... state-care

CQC's Annual State of Care assessment

CUK response

https://www.carersuk.org/news-and-campa ... ty-support

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@FactCheck asked the Conservatives to show us the figures behind those claims. They declined.


:D

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Ofsted inspectors to stop using exam results as mark of success
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Blair's definitely lost the plot.
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Blair says the problem with the negotiation is not that the government does not have skilled negotiators. He says Dominic Raab, the relatively new Brexit secretary, seems able and highly intelligent.

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Blair recently said we should "talk to" Steve Bannon and his supporters. A courtesy he does not extend to Corbyn or those who back his leadership.


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https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/oct/11/ofsted-to-ditch-using-exam-results-as-mark-of-success-amanda-spielma


Ofsted inspectors to stop using exam results as mark of success
Watchdog chief announces major shift, suggesting schools are too focused on test scores


I wonder how that came about?

That is a purely rhetorical question...

I have issues with Spielman talking about teachers being 'experts' in their subject. Certainly for History there is no such person - the vast majority of academics /historians specialise in a particular area and/or time period and hence are able to only skim the surface with everything else.

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https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/oct/11/ofsted-to-ditch-using-exam-results-as-mark-of-success-amanda-spielman
Ofsted inspectors to stop using exam results as mark of success
Watchdog chief announces major shift, suggesting schools are too focused on test scores

Better late than never as the tweets at the end of the article point out .

" And she suggested that schools had become too focused on exam success. “The measures in primary schools for maths and English were never intended to make schools operate as if other things didn’t matter,” Spielman said."

That makes a change from the Weasel Gove wanting to fire teachers for 'bad results' . I listened to her on Toady, and as usual with inspectors/regulators she was very mealy-mouthed mild on those long-running past failures!

We don't have the Hit Squad approach to inspecting, it's like the old HMI of my youth, one person sitting in on classes . After ten years or so of teaching selected individuals are invited to do some inspecting too . (One daughter and SIL !)


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Certainly for History there is no such person - the vast majority of academics /historians specialise in a particular area and/or time period and hence are able to only skim the surface with everything else


I genuinely did not realise this, very interesting.


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Labour has criticised the government after it emerged just four more days of parliamentary business has been scheduled, leading to questions about what the government plans to bring the the House of Commons in the coming weeks. Normally, in the business statement on a Thursday, Andrea Leadsom, the leader of the Commons, announces the business for the week ahead, and provisional business for the week after that.

Today, announcing the agenda just until Thursday next week, Leadsom told MPs that no more days could be scheduled because “a week changes a lot.” (Politics Live, Guardian - my emphasis)


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RogerOThornhill wrote:
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https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/oct/11/ofsted-to-ditch-using-exam-results-as-mark-of-success-amanda-spielman
Ofsted inspectors to stop using exam results as mark of success
Watchdog chief announces major shift, suggesting schools are too focused on test scores

I wonder how that came about?
That is a purely rhetorical question...
I have issues with Spielman talking about teachers being 'experts' in their subject. Certainly for History there is no such person - the vast majority of academics /historians specialise in a particular area and/or time period and hence are able to only skim the surface with everything else.

I suspect what she's really trying to put over is that teachers deserve more respect, as professional people, reversing the trend of the past few years in England ?


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Yes, but she isn't doing it terribly well.


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This is very amusing...especially the comments through the speech.

https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/ ... 0707011584

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Harvey John Brown 4h ago "Live thread "

" In more 'you couldn't make it up Tory stories':

New minister for suicide prevention consistently votes for cuts in welfare for societies most vulnerable"

https://nursingnotes.co.uk/new-minister ... ulnerable/


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This is very amusing...especially the comments through the speech.

https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/ ... 0707011584
I’m wondering if there is such a thing as anti-nominativedetermanism?


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Morning all.

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Conservative chairman Brandon Lewis tweeted that more young people are joining the party and “a record number of under-25s” went to this year’s conference.

@FactCheck asked the Conservatives to show us the figures behind those claims. They declined.


:D

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It could of course be a record low :twisted:


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Work has begun to turn a motorway in south east England into a “parking lot” for lorries as part of a plan to prevent traffic chaos in the event of a no-deal Brexit, a senior MP said Thursday.
..Local MP Tom Tugendhat, the Conservative chair of the foreign affairs committee, expressed fury at the secrecy surrounding the project. Speaking in the House of Commons on Thursday morning he said: “It’s come to a pretty pass when [an MP] finds out that works have begun on a motorway to turn that motorway into a parking lot without consultation either with the local community or with surrounding [MPs].”


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This is very amusing...especially the comments through the speech.

https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/ ... 0707011584
I’m wondering if there is such a thing as anti-nominativedetermanism?


I had guessed who that was about before even clicking on the link :D


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“One of the side-effects of structurally-higher job insecurity is a reduced willingness to add to that uncertainty by moving job,” he said."
The Pope's Catholic, you know.

I learn something new every day . As you missed it, the point is that the chief economist at the BoE makes an additional argument against the DWP's insistence that employed people on low incomes can always earn more .

My proposition for DWP staff is that any of them who receive state aid such as child benefit should have their salaries reduced if they don't earn more within say two months .

I wasn't in any way meaning to imply that you thought this was news, frog.
Haldane thinking he was saying something profound, was my point.

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“One of the side-effects of structurally-higher job insecurity is a reduced willingness to add to that uncertainty by moving job,” he said."The Pope's Catholic, you know.
I learn something new every day . As you missed it, the point is that the chief economist at the BoE makes an additional argument against the DWP's insistence that employed people on low incomes can always earn more .
My proposition for DWP staff is that any of them who receive state aid such as child benefit should have their salaries reduced if they don't earn more within say two months .
I wasn't in any way meaning to imply that you thought this was news, frog.Haldane thinking he was saying something profound, was my point.

I don't know what he was thinking as far as profundity is concerned, but he covered a lot of ground, including this --
" The remarks come at the end of the worst decade for inflation-adjusted average pay in almost 200 years (described by Mr Haldane as a “lost decade”) and when the Labour Party is pledging to give trade unions a major boost in order to “restore the balance of power in the workplace”."
Of course if the Tory disinformation that we had full employment were true, employers would be bidding up the price for labour , and we are very very far from that, except in specific areas such as parts of the building trades.

He also references the power of mighty employers, such as Amazon, and automation ...

In other news, is American Football really coming to the UK ?

Bread, a very little bread, and more circuses :-)


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In other news, is American Football really coming to the UK ?

Bread, a very little bread, and more circuses :-)


They come every year for a game or two. In much more important news, there are two MLB yankees/bosox games coming to London next June which I'm hoping to go to.

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Chris Grayling's name has been popping up a lot recently with regard to "Brexit" so, if anyone wasn't worried before . . .


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Chris Grayling's name has been popping up a lot recently with regard to "Brexit" so, if anyone wasn't worried before . . .


All we need is for him to get regularly mentioned in the context of climate change, and humanity really is doomed.


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Re."worse off under UC'

1.Compared to what would have been the case
2."transitional protection" a slower cut by any other name,any change renders asunder.

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Work has begun to turn a motorway in south east England into a “parking lot” for lorries as part of a plan to prevent traffic chaos in the event of a no-deal Brexit, a senior MP said Thursday.
..Local MP Tom Tugendhat, the Conservative chair of the foreign affairs committee, expressed fury at the secrecy surrounding the project. Speaking in the House of Commons on Thursday morning he said: “It’s come to a pretty pass when [an MP] finds out that works have begun on a motorway to turn that motorway into a parking lot without consultation either with the local community or with surrounding [MPs].”
Several months ago (approximately), I wrote that government building new border-building-storage- infrastructure would likely frighten people, even people wanting Brexit.

Secrecy, peremptory actions, civil servants quitting or seeking guidance and information gleaned from the National Audit Office (NAO) because Tory government decline communication all disconcert me. What is government up to?


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I don't know what a private sector identity provider is exactly
Opaque terminology and phrasing of news dispatches, fragmented pieces of commentary and uncertainty of continued funding of a hundred million £ project in the private sector
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The deadline for written evidence submissions was Friday 8 June 2018.

https://www.parliament.uk/business/comm ... lications/
31 written statements from transport peoples asking what the hell is going on
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Chris Grayling's name has been popping up a lot recently with regard to "Brexit" so, if anyone wasn't worried before . . .

Crace , on the Fayling one --

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Flogging off some more of the student loan book.
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Sam Gyimah, the higher education minister, insisted the plan was good value for money, and “an opportunity for the government to guarantee money upfront today rather than fluctuating an uncertain payments over a longer period of time”.

I wish I could believe that the govt are stupid enough not to know that this is exactly the reason the govt shouldn't sell them.
The private sector is risk-averse and demands a substantial discount on the book value of the debts, govt could easily bear the risk and collect more in the long-term.
Creating a nice juicy income stream for their mates is what they're about.

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Not a problem! I think that, anyway, I retired to bed shortly after asking the question so, had you answered, your reply would have fallen upon churlishly deaf ears. So, in this case, better late than at any other time, really.



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Although I do read the previous day's posts (the ones that I know came after my bedtime).


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Johnny Mercer, said UC was “politically undeliverable” in his Devon constituency, and called for a planned increase in income tax thresholds to be scrapped in order to make the benefit more generous.

That would be a start.

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Johnny Mercer, said UC was “politically undeliverable” in his Devon constituency, and called for a planned increase in income tax thresholds to be scrapped in order to make the benefit more generous.

That would be a start.


Esther McVey's probably more miffed that he (JM) said in his "Tweet" that it wasn't really her fault!


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PTO


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