Monday 5th November 2018
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Monday 5th November 2018
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Ever decisive,I couldn't make my mind up on what cereal to have,so I had three,or more correctly two bowls of each and six slices of toast.Some kind of the more I eat the more weight I lose.I blame the Tories.
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And four mars bars on the way home,but doesn't count.
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Fair enough Tories must take responsibility for being misanthropic shits
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Consistently,you would think they would have a day off.
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This thread was the one picked up by wee Nicky.
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Interesting thread but kind of misses the point that we're negotiating a withdrawal agreement not a final deal. That there's a strong possibility the final destination will significantly change from the silliness currently being offered by May once we have left and are in transition isn't really explored. As far as I can tell the two options agreeable to the EU that the thread refers to will both still be on the table post-exit in March. The fact this deal doesn't nail down which pragmatic option we're likely to end up with in the end isn't helpful and extends the uncertainty but it also means nothing is ruled out apart from a hard Irish border, which is something we have to rule out because of the Good Friday Agreement.gilsey wrote:This thread was the one picked up by wee Nicky.
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As for no one liking the deal, that's pretty inevitable really. The grass is always greener on the other side....
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This was aimed at Raab but true in so many contexts.The Web of Evil
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The dilemma facing hard-rightwingers is a familiar one but as urgent as ever: should they let their defining feature be their hostility, their duplicity or their staggering ignorance?
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I thought that was his point really. Here we are, leaving the EU with a-deal-that-isn't-a-deal, and no-one to say stop.Willow904 wrote:
Interesting thread but kind of misses the point that we're negotiating a withdrawal agreement not a final deal.
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11. Does the Deal represent the ‘will of the people’? Now I’m a will of the people sceptic but does anyone think that an indeterminate transition, no clue re future relationship, and possible *temporary* CU Brexit is remotely close to what people voted for?
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Wanting things that don't exist is cute in 5 year olds writing their Christmas lists but less attractive in full grown adults in charge of a country.
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True since long before 2016.Willow904 wrote:Wanting things that don't exist is cute in 5 year olds writing their Christmas lists but less attractive in full grown adults in charge of a country.
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Boris having another tantrum over this purported "deal"
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Because people have only ever voted against things - against remaining in the EU, against hard Brexit - it's difficult to know what they would vote for.gilsey wrote:I thought that was his point really. Here we are, leaving the EU with a-deal-that-isn't-a-deal, and no-one to say stop.Willow904 wrote:
Interesting thread but kind of misses the point that we're negotiating a withdrawal agreement not a final deal.
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11. Does the Deal represent the ‘will of the people’? Now I’m a will of the people sceptic but does anyone think that an indeterminate transition, no clue re future relationship, and possible *temporary* CU Brexit is remotely close to what people voted for?
From that perspective a further vote - GE or referendum - appears called for. I'm not convinced the right question or honest options would be put forward, though, so even then we may not get a true answer to "what do people want?"
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Good morfternoon.
Thanks to citizenJA and adam for responding to my musings (yesterday) on the USA. Whilst I recognise that the President thing is because of the US's history, I contend that it's not fit for the present day. Similarly, their gun laws and their electoral system.
Thanks to citizenJA and adam for responding to my musings (yesterday) on the USA. Whilst I recognise that the President thing is because of the US's history, I contend that it's not fit for the present day. Similarly, their gun laws and their electoral system.
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Leadership have willfully and voluntarily placed people and country in a bad place. We're relying on current food, medicine and income arrangements; there's no realistic way most people can prepare for Brexit changes. Look at NAO reports and other reputable sources of information. Leadership can't not know their senseless dithering isn't causing people anxiety. They know and don't care or worse, they're intentionally cultivating anxiety in order to fob off an inferior and diminished life for most people.Willow904 wrote:Wanting things that don't exist is cute in 5 year olds writing their Christmas lists but less attractive in full grown adults in charge of a country.
"It probably won't get that bad; government won't let it get so terrible. Right?"
Look at their policies and leadership for 8.5 years; look at them now, daily. They've placed people and nation into an unforgivably dangerous place.
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A really good Twitter thread in response to Matt Hancock's "please stop getting ill as a result of poverty and environmental pollution we are responsible for so we can spend less on the NHS and more on tax cuts, thanks" (I'm sure there are many more good responses to this ridiculous drivel):
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I agree with you.PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.
Thanks to citizenJA and adam for responding to my musings (yesterday) on the USA. Whilst I recognise that the President thing is because of the US's history, I contend that it's not fit for the present day. Similarly, their gun laws and their electoral system.
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Indeed there are, "Theresa May should take personal responsibility for her own diabetes" being one of them.Willow904 wrote:A really good Twitter thread in response to Matt Hancock's "please stop getting ill as a result of poverty and environmental pollution we are responsible for so we can spend less on the NHS and more on tax cuts, thanks" (I'm sure there are many more good responses to this ridiculous drivel):
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Hancock sounds like he doesn't give a damn about most people he shares time and world with. His cavalier remarks are disturbing.Willow904 wrote:A really good Twitter thread in response to Matt Hancock's "please stop getting ill as a result of poverty and environmental pollution we are responsible for so we can spend less on the NHS and more on tax cuts, thanks" (I'm sure there are many more good responses to this ridiculous drivel):
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Good one from Joseph Stiglitz on that huge subject --citizenJA wrote:I agree with you.PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.
Thanks to citizenJA and adam for responding to my musings (yesterday) on the USA. Whilst I recognise that the President thing is because of the US's history, I contend that it's not fit for the present day. Similarly, their gun laws and their electoral system.
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<b>“Most Americans want a higher minimum wage, they want gun control, they want access to healthcare, they want stronger financial regulation – the polling on some of these issues is, you know, 75% or more – and yet our democracy can’t deliver it.</b>
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I've thought long on a few things I'll attempt communicating here. I'm often anxious these days and my creative abilities are taking a hit.
Pollution, climatic changes, and disease (not a comprehensive list, just examples) don't respect national boundaries. Human beings (all life) always relied upon the one environment but that reality seems in greater relief now. Global cooperative effort is required.
Pollution, climatic changes, and disease (not a comprehensive list, just examples) don't respect national boundaries. Human beings (all life) always relied upon the one environment but that reality seems in greater relief now. Global cooperative effort is required.
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Nation-states are all very well but we're one species living on this one planet and there's no getting away from that
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Simple but profound, I like it.citizenJA wrote:Nation-states are all very well but we're one species living on this one planet and there's no getting away from that
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McVile to speak to the Commons later on, 4.15 ish.
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Yes and worth bearing in mind that it's only relatively recently that nation states have become the norm.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Simple but profound, I like it.citizenJA wrote:Nation-states are all very well but we're one species living on this one planet and there's no getting away from that
There's no historical reason to think they should just endure.
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I think Chris Grey had the right idea, the trick will be to get a true answer to 'what do people not want'. Run the same question again. Don't vote for Remain, vote against the deal-that-isn't-a-deal with all its uncertainties. And if you still want to Leave then I guess the rest of us deserve it for sharing the country with you.Willow904 wrote: I'm not convinced the right question or honest options would be put forward, though, so even then we may not get a true answer to "what do people want?"
Not meaning you personally, of course.
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I foresee no problems whatsoever.Transport department to use element of chance to allocate scarce haulage permits needed in event of no deal Brexit
The Department for Transport has issued a paper today (pdf) about how permits could be issued to hauliers to allow them to operate on the continent after Brexit. It says it hopes that there will be a deal and that permits will not be necessary. But in the event of there being no Brexit deal, hauliers will need permits - and the number of ECMT [European Conference of Ministers of Transport] permits available is much, much smaller than the number of hauliers who might want one (only 5% of the total, according to one estimate).
The paper explains how ECMT permits would be allocated. Various criteria will be used. But there will also be a random element, the paper says, to increase the number of haulage companies that benefit. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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It's nice to know that we can afford all these "little extras".A “no deal safety net unit” is being rushed through by Scotland Yard at a cost of more than £2.4m after police chiefs warned the home secretary that losing EU tools would make it harder to track sex offenders and terrorist suspects, according to internal police documents. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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Yet they actively penalise those who do take responsibility,only legal action prevented receivers of CA not being subject to being capped,strenuously defend discretion as to obvious necessary rooms for care,homeowners daring not to move from adapted houses they can't move from to non existing alternatives..cont'd on page 92.
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Caroline Nokes says UK employers will NOT need to carry out additional checks on EU citizens in a no deal Brexit, contradicting what she told the Home Affairs Select Committee last week.
These sort of issues should have been decided two years ago - months away from Brexit and they're still changing their mind from week to week.
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Not sure if some people are on the same planet,me as an obvious example.
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Removing the Tories would certainly improve my health immeasureably,so I am taking responsibility.
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Anything of interest?gilsey wrote:McVile to speak to the Commons later on, 4.15 ish.
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Thank youAnatolyKasparov wrote:Simple but profound, I like it.citizenJA wrote:Nation-states are all very well but we're one species living on this one planet and there's no getting away from that
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Exactly. I edited my post. It contained a rambling discourse on the migrating human throughout the specie's existence.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Yes and worth bearing in mind that it's only relatively recently that nation states have become the norm.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Simple but profound, I like it.citizenJA wrote:Nation-states are all very well but we're one species living on this one planet and there's no getting away from that
There's no historical reason to think they should just endure.
I had a wonderful conversation with a cab driver this afternoon on the topic. We come from entirely different parts of the world, different cultures but we both look for goodness, cooperation and cheerful conversation out and about. I'm always meeting wonderful people!
Mind you, sometimes others have a lot on their minds, you know? I can stay quiet too. Maybe we'll talk some other time or we'll simply nod at each other companionably and that's it; that's okay.
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(cJA edit)PorFavor wrote:I foresee no problems whatsoever.Transport department to use element of chance to allocate scarce haulage permits needed in event of no deal Brexit
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...there will also be a random element, the paper says, to increase the number of haulage companies that benefit. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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I guess I'll go look at what McVey said
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I notice that No 10 states that Theresa May and Leo Varadkar had a "constructive" conversation. I further note that Leo Varadkar's office doesn't say anything of the sort.
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In what way is there no inconsistency\lie?Hammond suggests that, if there is no Brexit deal, spending commitments made in this year’s budget could be abandoned.
Q: No 10 said all these promises would be honoured, irrespective of whether or not there is a deal. That is not what you are saying.
Hammond does not accept there is an inconsistency. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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Nothing has changed
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Old-style benefits will continue for 2 weeks - helping bridge the gap between payments. These are income-based Jobseekers' Allowance and ESA, and Income Support.
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A one-month deadline to claim will be extended to three months and people won't be penalised for missing it by up to a month.
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Advance loans which help people bridge the gap will only be clawed back at 30% of benefits per month, not 40%. The payback period will extend from 12 to 16 months from October 2021.
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Existing business owners who move onto UC will get a new one-year "grace period" exempting them from the "Minimum Income Floor". This limits claimants to getting no more benefits than they would get if they were on minimum wage - even if they're making a loss.
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Old-style benefits will continue for 2 weeks - helping bridge the gap between payments. These are income-based Jobseekers' Allowance and ESA, and Income Support.
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CONFIRMED:
A one-month deadline to claim will be extended to three months and people won't be penalised for missing it by up to a month.
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CONFIRMED:
Advance loans which help people bridge the gap will only be clawed back at 30% of benefits per month, not 40%. The payback period will extend from 12 to 16 months from October 2021.
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CONFIRMED:
Existing business owners who move onto UC will get a new one-year "grace period" exempting them from the "Minimum Income Floor". This limits claimants to getting no more benefits than they would get if they were on minimum wage - even if they're making a loss.
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Labour are more inconsistentPorFavor wrote:In what way is there no inconsistency\lie?Hammond suggests that, if there is no Brexit deal, spending commitments made in this year’s budget could be abandoned.
Q: No 10 said all these promises would be honoured, irrespective of whether or not there is a deal. That is not what you are saying.
Hammond does not accept there is an inconsistency. (Politics Live, Guardian)
Ha!
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I'm sure all present and future UC claimants will be falling over themselves to thank the govt for its generosity.
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Re: McVey's Commons Statement
is that it?
is that it?
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T'was wife's day off today...except that she got an email this morning requesting her presence at a meeting from 2-3pm.
So off she goes...phone call at 4:50 - "I'm still here"...
...and I'm still waiting. Dinner's in the oven on low...
So off she goes...phone call at 4:50 - "I'm still here"...
...and I'm still waiting. Dinner's in the oven on low...
If I'm not here, then I'll be in the library. Or the other library.
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NoAnatolyKasparov wrote:Anything of interest?gilsey wrote:McVile to speak to the Commons later on, 4.15 ish.
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I've turned the page
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