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Saturday 26th and Sunday 27th January 2019
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Good morning all.
Funny game football, innit?
Funny game football, innit?
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Your team played well!AnatolyKasparov wrote:Good morning all.
Funny game football, innit?
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Apparently Humphrys' interview of Irish Minister for European Affairs Helen McEntee was a disgrace.
It seems he suggested in all seriousness that Ireland should leave the EU with us to solve all the problems!
It seems he suggested in all seriousness that Ireland should leave the EU with us to solve all the problems!
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There were lots of people who genuinely thought that would happen.
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Incidentally, I don't know if any of you watch the newspaper reviews on the news channels, but serious rows about brexit between the journalists are becoming quite common.
I've never seen that with disagreements about other subjects, they usually stick to commenting on the piece in question rather than slagging each other off.
Another example today apparently.
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The Queen says "seek out common ground." The Today Program is now hosting an increasingly vicious row between two newspaper columnists about what she meant.
I've never seen that with disagreements about other subjects, they usually stick to commenting on the piece in question rather than slagging each other off.
Another example today apparently.
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The Queen says "seek out common ground." The Today Program is now hosting an increasingly vicious row between two newspaper columnists about what she meant.
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Seriously?gilsey wrote:There were lots of people who genuinely thought that would happen.
I'm not doubting your reporting. There does seem to be shockingly low awareness of affairs on the island of Ireland I agree.
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In the Brexit craziness, this seems like a fitting soundtrack, written by Michel Legrand, who has just died.
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Everyone agreed that not one of them was quite sure what the Quing was talking about. Wonderful.Tories praise Queen's common ground 'Brexit speech'
Ministers laud monarch’s calls for respect for others that were interpreted as Brexit reference
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Yes, but I don't mean currently, I mean about the time of the EUref.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Seriously?gilsey wrote:There were lots of people who genuinely thought that would happen.
I'm not doubting your reporting. There does seem to be shockingly low awareness of affairs on the island of Ireland I agree.
I agree that most people never thought about Ireland at all.
There were many who believed that other EU countries would be following us out of the door, not just Ireland.
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Risible article about Rachel Riley in the Graun. Truly bottom draw stuff.
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Haven't seen it, but I presume it paints her as a poor misunderstood martyr?refitman wrote:Risible article about Rachel Riley in the Graun. Truly bottom draw stuff.
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And then some. Apparently she's getting security, because of abuse on Twitter. No mention of the pile-on she organised on a 16 year old. Or the car-crash interview on C4, where she used anti-Semitic tropes (as defined by the rules everyone wants).AnatolyKasparov wrote:Haven't seen it, but I presume it paints her as a poor misunderstood martyr?refitman wrote:Risible article about Rachel Riley in the Graun. Truly bottom draw stuff.
Thinly veiled hit-piece on Corbyn and Labour.
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She started off claiming that people (including Owen Jones) were expressing approval of Alan Sugar threatening to leave the country because he was Jewish.
Nothing to do with his being a totally dislikeable bellend, of course.
And it went downhill from there. It has to be said that seemingly taking the utterly odious and not infrequently libellous GnasherJew as her lodestar hasn't helped either.
Nothing to do with his being a totally dislikeable bellend, of course.
And it went downhill from there. It has to be said that seemingly taking the utterly odious and not infrequently libellous GnasherJew as her lodestar hasn't helped either.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... toms-unionJuncker tells May: permanent customs union is price for revisiting backstop
Frans Timmermans accuses Tory Brexiters of a ‘cavalier’ approach to EU peace (Guardian)
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I'm guessing a lot of people are out carousing, and stuffing their faces with haggis . . .
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Listening to Twenty Thousands Streets Under The Sky and stuffing face with meat feast pizza-if you must know.
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I actually like ham and pineapple pizza. Deliver all the brickbats you wantHindleA wrote:Listening to Twenty Thousands Streets Under The Sky and stuffing face with meat feast pizza-if you must know.
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I took my daughter and her friend to a Hobo Johnson gig in Manchester.PorFavor wrote:I'm guessing a lot of people are out carousing, and stuffing their faces with haggis . . .
I think she was probably the youngest and me the oldest in the room!
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Apart from Yoko Ono?
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Good grief, two weeks in a row. Another good article by Cohen and only a passing mention of the C-word.
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The supermarket in Wales owned by a small council … in Surrey
‘Casino councils’ are spending huge sums on property across the country in a high-stakes bid to balance their books
Biggest council investors in property, 2014-15 to 2017-18
Spelthorne £654.9m*
Runnymede £356.4m
Surrey £268.3m
Kingston £163.8m
Torbay £96.8m
Newham £91.5m
Bucks £79.2m
Leeds £76.3m
Eastleigh £68.7m
An additional £285m has since been invested
The supermarket in Wales owned by a small council … in Surrey
‘Casino councils’ are spending huge sums on property across the country in a high-stakes bid to balance their books
Biggest council investors in property, 2014-15 to 2017-18
Spelthorne £654.9m*
Runnymede £356.4m
Surrey £268.3m
Kingston £163.8m
Torbay £96.8m
Newham £91.5m
Bucks £79.2m
Leeds £76.3m
Eastleigh £68.7m
An additional £285m has since been invested
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No she couldn't make it this timeHindleA wrote:Apart from Yoko Ono?
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That conference was organised by everyone's favourite definitely not a Tory-supporting front group Parents and Teachers for Excellence.HindleA wrote:https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/ ... conference
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Oh, and Nick Gibb was one of the keynote speakers too...fancy that.
And held at Pimlico Academy in that London - a school in a trust run by ex-Tory edu Minister Lord Nash.
If I'm not here, then I'll be in the library. Or the other library.
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Though the overall criticism of the article - embarking on a risky and ambitious project without a proper plan - might remind you of what exactly?refitman wrote:Good grief, two weeks in a row. Another good article by Cohen and only a passing mention of the C-word.
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Some folk on Twitter complaining at Angela Rayner for being incoherent on Brexit (on Ridge).
Thing is though, for me, she nails the complexity of it and is probably closer to the position of the electorate than most politicians.
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She thinks there should not be a second referendum and that it's unlikely to resolve the issue, but she would probably vote Remain if there was one.
She thinks people don't want to delay Brexit but thinks it may be inevitable that we do.
She wants no deal ruled out, May's red lines put aside and if at all possible implementation of Labour's "deal".
Thing is though, for me, she nails the complexity of it and is probably closer to the position of the electorate than most politicians.
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She thinks there should not be a second referendum and that it's unlikely to resolve the issue, but she would probably vote Remain if there was one.
She thinks people don't want to delay Brexit but thinks it may be inevitable that we do.
She wants no deal ruled out, May's red lines put aside and if at all possible implementation of Labour's "deal".
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Yes, that's a pretty good summary of "median" public opinion on Brexit.
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Well I don’t know. If Brexit=democracy it makes me wonder about the value of it (democracy). Where does that leave me?
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I suppose I struggle to find a 37% vote about something none of knew the implications of to be fundamentally undemocratic. Everything else is a technicality.
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BUTtinyclanger2 wrote:I suppose I struggle to find a 37% vote about something none of knew the implications of to be fundamentally undemocratic. Everything else is a technicality.
I suspect if we reran the referendum tomorrow after all this debate and all we know about the dodgy stuff the result would be the same.
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Alternatively, you could describe it as the biggest vote for anything this country has seen - in numerical terms anyway.tinyclanger2 wrote:I suppose I struggle to find a 37% vote about something none of knew the implications of to be fundamentally undemocratic. Everything else is a technicality.
Amongst his many omissions was Cameron not specifying some sort of "threshold" for the referendum. He was totally sure anything like that would not be needed
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Lots of people talking about being still for leaving, and telling the pollsters so, but what would they do in the privacy of the polling booth?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:BUTtinyclanger2 wrote:I suppose I struggle to find a 37% vote about something none of knew the implications of to be fundamentally undemocratic. Everything else is a technicality.
I suspect if we reran the referendum tomorrow after all this debate and all we know about the dodgy stuff the result would be the same.
In 2016 they wanted to upset the political applecart and they did, job done.
Now they'd have a chance to avoid upsetting the economic one. Given it a wobble but it'd settle down.
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Hmm, that is an interesting take on things - and you could be right.gilsey wrote:Lots of people talking about being still for leaving, and telling the pollsters so, but what would they do in the privacy of the polling booth?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:BUTtinyclanger2 wrote:I suppose I struggle to find a 37% vote about something none of knew the implications of to be fundamentally undemocratic. Everything else is a technicality.
I suspect if we reran the referendum tomorrow after all this debate and all we know about the dodgy stuff the result would be the same.
In 2016 they wanted to upset the political applecart and they did, job done.
Now they'd have a chance to avoid upsetting the economic one. Given it a wobble but it'd settle down.
Still quite a risk though.
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Got the bus home tonight chatting to a woman from Guinea Bissau. She was called Mara and came here 6 years ago and has been working in restaurants but now wants to leave.
She told me that when she first came here to work everything was fine but over last year things have got bad. She works in a place in Pudsey, which when not being the name of a bear for children in need is a backwater of Leeds, and having drunk there a few times I can back up her complaints.
She also told me someone from the Portuguese embassy had a meeting with those from Guinea Bissau in Leeds and advised them to leave the country.
So she said she was going to Brazil, which while standing freezing waiting for a 2 or 3 bus I could hardly blame her for.
She told me that when she first came here to work everything was fine but over last year things have got bad. She works in a place in Pudsey, which when not being the name of a bear for children in need is a backwater of Leeds, and having drunk there a few times I can back up her complaints.
She also told me someone from the Portuguese embassy had a meeting with those from Guinea Bissau in Leeds and advised them to leave the country.
So she said she was going to Brazil, which while standing freezing waiting for a 2 or 3 bus I could hardly blame her for.
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Well apart from all the general elections between 1922 and 1997 which had a similar 70% turnout on average.AnatolyKasparov wrote: Alternatively, you could describe it as the biggest vote for anything this country has seen - in numerical terms anyway.
So in reality you couldn't.
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Um, no particular *party* ever achieved the 17m votes that Brexit did.Sky'sGoneOut wrote:Well apart from all the general elections between 1922 and 1997 which had a similar 70% turnout on average.AnatolyKasparov wrote: Alternatively, you could describe it as the biggest vote for anything this country has seen - in numerical terms anyway.
So in reality you couldn't.
I am simply stating a fact here, you can read as much or as little into it as you wish.
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https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk ... fullreportBetween 1922 and 1997, turnout at UK general elections remained above 71%, rising to over 80% in the general elections of 1950 and 1951.
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Well no obviously as there were far fewer people in the country but we're talking percentages here and an 80% turnout is higher than a 71% turnout.Um, no particular *party* ever achieved the 17m votes that Brexit did.
It's like saying there are more people employed in this country than ever before.
Without mentioning the fact that there are more people living here than ever before.
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Hmmm, has she missed recent developments there?Sky'sGoneOut wrote: So she said she was going to Brazil, which while standing freezing waiting for a 2 or 3 bus I could hardly blame her for.
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I made an attempt to raise such concerns but it would seem Brexit is worse than Bolsonaro if you happen to be Portuguese.
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And also I don't want to start an argument or anything like it with you and I hope we are cool.
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Yes, I do know this stuff.Sky'sGoneOut wrote:https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk ... fullreportBetween 1922 and 1997, turnout at UK general elections remained above 71%, rising to over 80% in the general elections of 1950 and 1951.
But as you say, no need to fall out
And, better late than never - PTO.
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