Friday 15th March 2019
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Friday 15th March 2019
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Dreadful news from New Zealand which has suffered right-wing terrorism attacks on mosques. The death toll is standing at 50.
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dreadful indeedPorFavor wrote:Dreadful news from New Zealand which has suffered right-wing terrorism attacks on mosques. The death toll is standing at 50.
Should I find myself feeling murderous impulses towards others, I step away alone and think about my feelings and find out what's fundamentally upsetting me. I've discovered it's fear, my fear of the unknown, the future and whether or not I'll have one. I'll not alleviate this fear by killing others. Fear and killing and more fear become endless. Killing others is tragic, pointless, inadequate and wrong. It doesn't work.
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Good-morning, everyone
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I know this was raised yesterday but I hadn't picked up on the suggested reason for the 'fundamental change', and inference that anyone using this possibility as a reason to accept the backstop, would be expecting/relying on unionist (most likely) disruption.In the advice, the Attorney General states that Britain will be able to end the backstop if it having a “socially destabilising effect on Northern Ireland”, which would be considered a “fundamental change” of circumstances under the terms of the treaty.
He argues that Britain would have grounds to break off from the backstop if it was having a “socially destabilising effect on Northern Ireland”.
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EU Commissioner Phil Hogan believes the UK’s no-deal tariff plans - proposals that would see no import duties levied on goods entering Northern Ireland across the border - are likely to breach World Trade Organisation rules. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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It's complete nonsense.tinybgoat wrote:https://sluggerotoole.com/2019/03/15/ni ... qus_threadI know this was raised yesterday but I hadn't picked up on the suggested reason for the 'fundamental change', and inference that anyone using this possibility as a reason to accept the backstop, would be expecting/relying on unionist (most likely) disruption.In the advice, the Attorney General states that Britain will be able to end the backstop if it having a “socially destabilising effect on Northern Ireland”, which would be considered a “fundamental change” of circumstances under the terms of the treaty.
He argues that Britain would have grounds to break off from the backstop if it was having a “socially destabilising effect on Northern Ireland”.
This has been around and was quoted yesterday, but, again, when Hungary tried to get out of a treaty commitment to build a damn on the Danube, and the international court ruled that the collapse of the Soviet Union, the ending of the Warsaw Pact and the dissolution of Czechoslovakia was not 'a fundamental change that affected the treaty obligations'. It's also not relevant if the change was foreseen by the parties - the very fact that there is a discussion about things that Article 62 could apply to means that it can't apply to them. So far as I can see, it's intended as, for want of a better word, a backstop - a last chance way of doing justice to a situation where nothing is like it was before in genuinely unforeseen ways. It's got nothing to do with this situation.
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I saw a few minutes of QT last night, JHB actually said something sensible. An audience member said if there was a second ref he'd never vote again and she jumped right in saying no, you must vote, vote them out.
My own reaction is that if dimwits like him refuse to vote we'll be in a better place in future.
My own reaction is that if dimwits like him refuse to vote we'll be in a better place in future.
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The person apprehended for the NZ atrocity seems to be another Breivik type.
Do the purveyors of hate really imagine that there outpourings can be totally cost free?
Do the purveyors of hate really imagine that there outpourings can be totally cost free?
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I thought Chris Grayling was one of Theresa May's greatest supporters. Now can we get rid of him? (Although, conceivably, he wandered into the wrong lobby by mistake.)Others who rejected the idea of an extension included Penny Mordaunt, Liam Fox and Chris Grayling. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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3/ Next, you want to dismiss everyone who disagrees with you as shills for Remain, the European Union or better and more inexplicably yet, Jeremy Corbyn.
After all only you, Mr Tory Peer and Deputy Chairman of Leave Means Leave, are TRULY impartial on this issue.
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And to anybody who responds to this morning's events with "Islam isn't a race" - YOU are part of the problem.
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DUP holding "significant discussions" with government
The party is holding “ongoing and significant discussions with Government” over Brexit, the Press Association reports. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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Of the "Give us what we want otherwise we'll bring down the government" variety?PorFavor wrote:DUP holding "significant discussions" with government
The party is holding “ongoing and significant discussions with Government” over Brexit, the Press Association reports. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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So we're now to tailor domestic law to suit the DUP?
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NEW: Understand DUP and Cox remaining in London all weekend to work on possible agreement. Looking at what additional provisions they could add to domestic law to underline interpretations on backstop (in the Withdrawal Agreement Bill?)
March 15, 2019 (Politics Live, Guardian - my emphasis)
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This is just staggering. It's almost impossible to believe this is happening. It's an absolute scandal, a direct consequence of the massive cuts to local councils. Predictable and preventable, the government must be made to take responsibility for this:
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Newsnight rightly being panned today for that recent "Tommy Robinson" whitewash.PorFavor wrote:Dreadful news from New Zealand which has suffered right-wing terrorism attacks on mosques. The death toll is standing at 50.
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These comments from the Brexit secretary suggest VERY heavily he will not be prepared to negotiate a longer extension if deal does not pass.
"If we can get the deal through...we will now need a short technical extension, but if not we shouldn't be afraid to leave with no deal." (Politics Live, Guardian)
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There was no way we were going to have an extension at all just a matter of weeks ago, according to the PM no less.
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So no reason for ERG to vote for her?
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Or she's resigned to ERG voting against and is instead trying to scare Remoaners into voting for her?
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Quite often early challenges lead to exceeding not only expectations but outstripping those without.Not only is pre elimination on the basis of "imperfection" morally repugnant it is societally harmful IMHO.
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Missing the fuck the pathetic vulnerable expectation,to be honest.Pat the head get your arm ripped off.
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I don't suppose any of you might guess who Piers Morgan thinks could sort out Brexit for us??
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Verbally
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In full flow,wonderous.
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Queen?AnatolyKasparov wrote:I don't suppose any of you might guess who Piers Morgan thinks could sort out Brexit for us??
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Yes, I saw that yesterday...gotta be right - after all the talks with North Korea have gone so well...AnatolyKasparov wrote:I don't suppose any of you might guess who Piers Morgan thinks could sort out Brexit for us??
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Decent band back in the day.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:The The
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Portland mud slips for unlikely Brexit mediator (6,5).
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That track with Jools Holland!AnatolyKasparov wrote:Decent band back in the day.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:The The
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Societal failures presented as individual,the point is to change it.
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The Bangladesh cricket team were close to the mosque in Christchurch, report may be of interest.
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I realised last night that I know sfa about politics. I caught a bit of This Week and Dominic Grieve was speaking so I left it on while he was talking sense about Brexit, Portillo wasn't happy.
At the end Neil asked him if he would join TIG and he said no, they're social democrats and I'm a conservative, as if it was obvious.
It's far from obvious to me in practice. Maybe the fact that he was asked the question means it's not just me.
At the end Neil asked him if he would join TIG and he said no, they're social democrats and I'm a conservative, as if it was obvious.
It's far from obvious to me in practice. Maybe the fact that he was asked the question means it's not just me.
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I see Mad Mel got told to STFU today...
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Dad a QC went to posh school and Magdalene. Class thing innit?gilsey wrote:I realised last night that I know sfa about politics. I caught a bit of This Week and Dominic Grieve was speaking so I left it on while he was talking sense about Brexit, Portillo wasn't happy.
At the end Neil asked him if he would join TIG and he said no, they're social democrats and I'm a conservative, as if it was obvious.
It's far from obvious to me in practice. Maybe the fact that he was asked the question means it's not just me.
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TIG.........who are they again??gilsey wrote:I realised last night that I know sfa about politics. I caught a bit of This Week and Dominic Grieve was speaking so I left it on while he was talking sense about Brexit, Portillo wasn't happy.
At the end Neil asked him if he would join TIG and he said no, they're social democrats and I'm a conservative, as if it was obvious.
It's far from obvious to me in practice. Maybe the fact that he was asked the question means it's not just me.
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It's not obvious TIG are social democrats or that Portillo is a conservative?!gilsey wrote:I realised last night that I know sfa about politics. I caught a bit of This Week and Dominic Grieve was speaking so I left it on while he was talking sense about Brexit, Portillo wasn't happy.
At the end Neil asked him if he would join TIG and he said no, they're social democrats and I'm a conservative, as if it was obvious.
It's far from obvious to me in practice. Maybe the fact that he was asked the question means it's not just me.
Personally I think Portillo, like Ken Clarke, is pretty much a textbook conservative. Which is why, when you put them next to the current crop of Tories, you can see that much of the current crop of Tories aren't conservatives at all, but somewhere much further to the right. With quite fascistic tendencies. A conservative favours free enterprise, private ownership and has socially conservative values. Whilst fascism tends more to authoritarianism, nationalism and oppression. There seem to be rather more of the latter persuasion in the Tory party these days and fewer of the former.
As for whether TIG are social democrats, it's probably too early to tell....but...while social democracy can accommodate capitalism, the direction of travel should be, certainly from our current position, towards a more socialist society for them to truly be a social democratic party. Not sure there's much sign of that from TIG yet, but who knows.
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BTW did everyone solve the recyclable begonia anagram the other day?
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Constance has dropped a stitch.Things are beginning to unravel.
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A personal thanks to those who have responded to Boris's hypocrisy
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... lice-forceTommy Robinson loses harassment case against police force
The judge, Karen Walden-Smith, said: “In my judgment there’s no evidence that Mr Lennon was being treated differently because of his beliefs about fundamentalist Islam.”
Giving her judgment on Friday after a four-day hearing, she added: “Mr Lennon isn’t as well known as he and his supporters may think.” (Guardian - my emphasis)
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... u-electionNo long Brexit delay without election of British MEPs, says leaked paper
The leak of the document will likely help May in her bid to play up the threat to Brexit that would come with again voting down the withdrawal agreement. (Guardian)
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(AnatolyKasparov pointed out the error of my ways.)
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