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With regularity.Contemptuous and dismissive.
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New page please.
(and about to hit the 4.75 million mark)
(and about to hit the 4.75 million mark)
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There was some friction here (if memory serves it was in the run-up to the Referendum - but I stand to be corrected), and I'm sorry the site lost people (come back rebeccariots2) but I'm pretty sure there was no threatening, or sinister veiled-threat style, language.HindleA wrote:A regular left for that reason.Sky's posts are rarely without,which is fair enough as long as I can point it out.
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Whole areas and peoples' are scapegoated,basic arithmetics ignored.
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I miss rebeccariots2 greatly.
Though tbh I think there was more unpleasantness on here surrounding Corbyn rather than Brexit before the 2017 GE.
Though tbh I think there was more unpleasantness on here surrounding Corbyn rather than Brexit before the 2017 GE.
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@PF Never said there was.
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You can't "send me to Coventry "(I'm already there)
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I miss rebeccariots2 a lot too.AnatolyKasparov wrote:I miss rebeccariots2 greatly.
Though tbh I think there was more unpleasantness on here surrounding Corbyn rather than Brexit before the 2017 GE.
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Has Constance got back from the march,yet?
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HindleA wrote:@PF Never said there was.
Never said you said there was . . .
Or did I? I've been editing things I don't recall editing - so don't quote me as an authority on anything (as if you ever would).
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She's still in London giving interviews to the press.HindleA wrote:Has Constance got back from the march,yet?
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A regular on "Paws for Thought"
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Hopefully watching her language,swears like a trooper.
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I've run the hotel dry,they had to get more milk supplies.Getting my monies worth.
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(possibly exaggerating)
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I nearly posted "She's still in London giving intermews to the press". Glad I didn't now. Oh, I've let the cat out of the bag, haven't I?HindleA wrote:A regular on "Paws for Thought"
NB I'd never try putting Constance in a bag - unless it was an emergency life-saving situation.
She's just got home. Muttering something about bagpipes.
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Getting silly on the sugar packet thing,you need about ten for a teaspoonful.
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The WC Fields "Room Service ?,send me up a room "never fails to amuse,despite repetition.
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(I didn't)
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Night night.
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I think it's possible - and right - to be contemptuously dismissive of the leave campaign, its leaders and the claims it has made and continues to make without scapegoating leave voters. People are people, and they vote as they do for every reason and for no reason.HindleA wrote:Whole areas and peoples' are scapegoated,basic arithmetics ignored.
I think there are two specific problems with the bigger 'northern constuencies problem' on the leave question (which isn't exactly what you're talking about, I know, but indulge me).
One is 'the John Harris Problem' - where he goes to a northern or an east coast ostensibly working class constituency that has been tory through and through forever - Boston and Skegness even squeeked a tory home in 1997 - and claims that the leave vote was a protest vote against austerity and the effects it had on people's lives. It's impossible credibly to argue that these kinds of leave voting constituencies were displaying protest against austerity when they voted for austerity in 2010, 2015 and 2017. (I would add that I've just watched Harris' two most recent 'anywhere but westminster' things on the Guardian and think they're good and well worth a view - one from Wigan and, before that, a superb one from Northern Ireland)
The other is that even though I respect the right of people to vote for anything for any reason and no reason, it doesn't mean I have to agree with them about any of those reasons, or about anything at all. The idea that a vote to leave was a vote for a new economic future for the UK is ludicrous. The young man in Middlesborough on the day of the result, saying he was pleased leave won because now they'd get their hospital back and the pit would reopen was ludicrous. There is not a significant gap between that and saying 'I voted UKIP because I'm a big supporter of the EU'.
People saying 'of course I voted leave, how could things get worse' is a damning indictment of the UK, not of the EU - and when people argue the answer is to get out of the EU because then we can start making things better, I think they fundamentally misunderstand who has been in charge of what's been going on here and why things have happened as they have.
They are wrong. And they're entitled to be wrong - ludicrously and absurdly wrong. But I'm entitled to say so.
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Middlesbrough hasn't lost its hospital and never had a pit, possibly you've misremembered?
Other than that, well said.
Danny Dorling is worth a follow on twitter, he's done lots of work showing that it was southern voters that swung it to leave which we never hear about from the MSM. Best line is, more people voted remain in Sunderland than in Cambridge.
Don't @ me, as they say on twitter, I know Sunderland is bigger than Cambridge. Lots of people darn sarf don't.
Other than that, well said.
Danny Dorling is worth a follow on twitter, he's done lots of work showing that it was southern voters that swung it to leave which we never hear about from the MSM. Best line is, more people voted remain in Sunderland than in Cambridge.
Don't @ me, as they say on twitter, I know Sunderland is bigger than Cambridge. Lots of people darn sarf don't.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... top-brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So it's all Uri Geller's fault! Glad he's taking responsibility for his reckless action and trying to fix itHe has already successfully penetrated May’s mind, he added, when she visited his home three years before she became prime minister. “I bombarded her mind to be the prime minister – and she became the prime minister,” he said.
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I get the impression that MPs are going to be fiddling while Rome burns the next couple of weeks, what's new you might say.
Deposing May and indicative votes will be the order of the day but imo they should be talking about EP elections. Only 2 of the possible future scenarios for our relationship with the EU would allow us to leave on 12 April or shortly thereafter, May's deal or no deal, and both of those have been rejected by parliament already. The only condition the EU have placed on a longer extension at the moment is EP election participation and most of the rhetoric around what the extension would be for had been dropped as far as I could see. So they should be putting the horse before the cart and getting their heads round it asap.
Deposing May and indicative votes will be the order of the day but imo they should be talking about EP elections. Only 2 of the possible future scenarios for our relationship with the EU would allow us to leave on 12 April or shortly thereafter, May's deal or no deal, and both of those have been rejected by parliament already. The only condition the EU have placed on a longer extension at the moment is EP election participation and most of the rhetoric around what the extension would be for had been dropped as far as I could see. So they should be putting the horse before the cart and getting their heads round it asap.
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Sorry, of course there's another option before 12 April. REVOKEA50.
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Petition is still ticking over but now at a rate the site can cope with. 5m sometime today.
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Good-morning, everyone
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Staging a coup, incidentally, requires a degree of managerial competence that is utterly beyond this shower. What is happening in the Tory party isn’t a coup. It’s a civil war.
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Staging a coup, incidentally, requires a degree of managerial competence that is utterly beyond this shower. What is happening in the Tory party isn’t a coup. It’s a civil war.
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https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... bour-studyFracking plan ‘will release same C02 as 300m new cars’
Labour study comes as UK government faces pressure from courts and councils
The government’s fracking proposals would release the same amount of greenhouse gas emissions as almost 300 million new cars, fatally undermining ministers’ obligation to tackle the escalating climate crisis, according to new research.
Analysis by the Labour party shows that the amount of carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere if the government’s plans go ahead would be the same as the lifetime emissions of 286 million cars – or 29 new coal-fired power plants. (Observer)
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Labour "moderates" in mid-2016 - "watch us totally mess this up"gilsey wrote:Robert Harris
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Staging a coup, incidentally, requires a degree of managerial competence that is utterly beyond this shower. What is happening in the Tory party isn’t a coup. It’s a civil war.
Tories now - "hold my beer"
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Something more added to the ALARMING THINGS section of my notes.PorFavor wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... bour-studyFracking plan ‘will release same C02 as 300m new cars’
Labour study comes as UK government faces pressure from courts and councils
The government’s fracking proposals would release the same amount of greenhouse gas emissions as almost 300 million new cars, fatally undermining ministers’ obligation to tackle the escalating climate crisis, according to new research.
Analysis by the Labour party shows that the amount of carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere if the government’s plans go ahead would be the same as the lifetime emissions of 286 million cars – or 29 new coal-fired power plants. (Observer)
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Up to 4.95 million now, next few hours I would have thought.gilsey wrote:Petition is still ticking over but now at a rate the site can cope with. 5m sometime today.
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Yep - have also just checked - 4,969,706
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As far as our PM (at the time of writing, anyway) is concerned - shouldn't one of our "speaking truth to power" journalists be investigating the claims that her husband stands to benefit from any no deal Brexit? He is also urging her to cling on to her job at any cost, apparently. Hmmm.......
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Less than 5000 to go ...
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... vate-firmsLabour ‘will ban’ outsourcing of public services to private firms
Private companies will be banned by a Labour government from running services that deal with vulnerable people and their rights, under a far-reaching plan to restrict outsourcing.
The party has drawn up the plan in response to what it describes as a series of “outsourcing disasters” involving services handed to private firms – from testing for sickness benefits to the operation of some NHS cancer services.
Under the plan, contracts that deal with people deemed to be “at risk”, and contracts that infringe on human rights or entail the use of “coercive powers” can not be outsourced. People “at risk” are defined as those who rely on state protection, be they prisoners, hospital patients or benefits recipients. The new rules would kick in when current service contracts expire or are terminated (Observer)
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5 million up - woo-hoo!
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Petition - 5,000,251
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On the other hand those/us 5 million people aren't "the" people so don't count
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They increasing seem to consist solely of the 60 (or however many it is) Tory MPs in the ERG........tinyclanger2 wrote:On the other hand those/us 5 million people aren't "the" people so don't count
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more than 10% of the UK electoral roll (46.8 million in 2017) - pretty impressive as petitions go
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Horse. Bolted.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 37326.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
But Ms May rejected the message of the petition on Thursday, when a No 10 spokesperson said failing to deliver Brexit would cause “potentially irreparable damage to public trust”.
Quite some time ago.
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After a General Election the winning team pays lip-service, at least, to the nation as a whole. That doesn't seem to figure either with the "Brexiters" or with Theresa May. I think that contributes to the pissed-offedness. "Citizens of nowhere"!
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Sounds like it will be an interesting evening at Chequers. Brexiteers gathering.
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