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Chuka Cant

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PTO and I haven't even had my lunch yet......
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:They have even less chance of being elected in Scotland than most other places, but still......

I'm staggered - genuinely - at how totally amateurish and unfocused they have been.

(though maybe it shouldn't be totally surprising, only 3 of the MPs who defected to them are any good - and two of those are Tories)
Are you going to reveal your three?

I suppose the criticism of Wollaston was always that she was hypocritical saying and doing what she did while serving as a Tory and she
has TBF addressed that by leaving. So I kind of rate her.

Then I start to struggle.
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I suppose it depends what you mean by "any good".
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I suppose it depends what you mean by "any good".
As in Sour Banyan, who is undoubtedly an effective speaker for Remain, but is she any good?

Ann Coffey has done some great campaigning work, but beyond that? Is that enough to be "any good"?
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Allen, Wollaston, and Berger.
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Labour's comment on not voting for the WA but possibly abstaining is absurd and I suspect is one of those on the hoof things they will regret but correct before too long.
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:@Willow

Any local(ish) insight into the alleged vote fraud in Highworth?
I know next to nothing about Wiltshire, I'm afraid, except that I believe Jacob Rees-Mogg's mother owns about half of it!

I believe they were doing some of the voter ID trials round Swindon way but I haven't heard anything about voter fraud.
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adam wrote:Labour's comment on not voting for the WA but possibly abstaining is absurd and I suspect is one of those on the hoof things they will regret but correct before too long.
The chances of this actually happening are almost vanishingly small, surely - who made this "comment" and in what context?
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Thanks AK I'm unsure about Allen who seems a bit Chuka-like to me. I simply don't know much about Berger's work, but people do seem to rate her.

So I'll settle on two!
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Willow904 wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:@Willow

Any local(ish) insight into the alleged vote fraud in Highworth?
I know next to nothing about Wiltshire, I'm afraid, except that I believe Jacob Rees-Mogg's mother owns about half of it!

I believe they were doing some of the voter ID trials round Swindon way but I haven't heard anything about voter fraud.
Thanks it seems some parish councillors were elected with more votes than there are on the electoral register!
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
adam wrote:Labour's comment on not voting for the WA but possibly abstaining is absurd and I suspect is one of those on the hoof things they will regret but correct before too long.
The chances of this actually happening are almost vanishingly small, surely - who made this "comment" and in what context?
Guardian daily politics running it through quotes from a range of political correspondents from 'A Labour Spokesperson'.
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I'm not going to lose sleep over it, as long as these "talks" are ongoing people are going to have to pretend there might be a positive outcome from them.
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Willow904 wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:@Willow

Any local(ish) insight into the alleged vote fraud in Highworth?
I know next to nothing about Wiltshire, I'm afraid, except that I believe Jacob Rees-Mogg's mother owns about half of it!

I believe they were doing some of the voter ID trials round Swindon way but I haven't heard anything about voter fraud.
Willow904 wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:@Willow

Any local(ish) insight into the alleged vote fraud in Highworth?
I know next to nothing about Wiltshire, I'm afraid, except that I believe Jacob Rees-Mogg's mother owns about half of it!

I believe they were doing some of the voter ID trials round Swindon way but I haven't heard anything about voter fraud.
Slightly different I know but there's an Electoral Reform Society report on Voter ID trials from 2018 here.
Evidence from around the world shows that forcing voters to bring photographic ID to the polling station just makes it harder for people to vote – while doing little to increase faith in the integrity of the system or stop determined fraudsters. We don’t need more barriers to people taking part in our democracy.
Edited to add - there's also a report from before this year's local elections about this years trials - here - 2017 over 51,000,000 votes, 26 allegations of in-person fraud, no convictions. And also edited to add I cocked up the images so I deleted the earlier post and have reposted it here.
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This is from Anne Milton, the skills minister.

Anne Milton MP

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Its national numberacy day so test how good you are at numbers. It’s never too late to improve your skills #nationalnumeracyday
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12:15 PM - May 15, 2019

Good job it’s not national literacy day ...
(Politics Live, Guardian)
(Actually, it's it's - not its. So she failed the "literacy" bit, too, if you want to be pedantic. Which, obviously, I do.)


Edited to add - or is that what Andrew Sparrow is slyly getting at in his comment?
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Or possibly "numberacy"
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Willow904 wrote:Or possibly "numberacy"
Yes - but I wondered if there was an extra, and more subtle, dig on the "its" front.
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Numberacy HAS to be a typo. Doesn't it?

Whereas its is a proper mistake :evil:
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-48226256" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Families are in relative poverty if they live on less than 60% of the middle household.

The cost of housing for each local area is factored in as well, to calculate real rates paid after housing costs are paid.

The method is used by the Office of National Statistics and the World Bank.

It shows that it was 2010 when child poverty began to rise again, after a long period in which it fell.

Prof Hirsch said: "What's shocking rather than surprising is that over the previous 12 to 15 years, we had a period when it was going down.

"We are now getting close to the time when we will have lost the gains we have made - half of those gains in reductions of child poverty have already been lost."
It would be nice, when talking about these things, if people would actually stop skirting around the fact that this is deliberate and knowing policy from government rather than some accidental occurance. Freezing and cutting child benefits makes families with children poorer. On top of stagnating wages what other outcome could there possibly be?
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Thanks AK I'm unsure about Allen who seems a bit Chuka-like to me
She is nowhere near as bad tbh. Quite possibly more left wing too ;)
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OK HindleA are you ready for this?
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Avoiding work,only getting snippets
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Wish I wasn't
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I've not had any election leaflets but I know people who have, and the Labour one (the "It's not about Europe" one) is being delivered folded in with other (commercial) leaflets - eg "UberEats". Classy.


Edited - typo
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:OK HindleA are you ready for this?
Aaaargh
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