Wednesday 19th June 2019
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Wednesday 19th June 2019
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Morning all. Usual busy Wednesday so I'll just drop this here which I found v.amusing...
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Incidentally, who was it the other day who said that it was best not to have a plan for leaving the EU because otherwise it gave Remainers a ch a chance to rip it to shreds?
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We're screwed, basically.
James outclassed the actual field for PM with depressing ease.“Has that answered your question?” Maitlis asked James from Belfast after Mr Blobby and the Blobbettes had argued over GATT 24, sheep farming and other things about which they clearly knew nothing.
“Not really,” said James, committing hara-kiri. He spoke for an entire nation.
We're screwed, basically.
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Jerry, Mike, Saj, Bo, and Ro. (Sadly, Dom was absent due to circumstances beyond his control - although most of the panellists thought that he was a wonderful guy).
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Good morfternoon.
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I thought that was the official policy, and the official reason for the official policy, of the leave campaign in the first place. I know you wouldn't want this but I have a nasty feeling the answer to your question is 'Dominic Cummings'.RogerOThornhill wrote:Incidentally, who was it the other day who said that it was best not to have a plan for leaving the EU because otherwise it gave Remainers a ch a chance to rip it to shreds?
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Rumoured talks going on between the Stewart and Gove camps ahead of today's vote.
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Gino in the news.
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Sorry, don't quite understand the reference?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Gino in the news.
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Francois? Qu'a t-il faitAnatolyKasparov wrote:Sorry, don't quite understand the reference?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Gino in the news.
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He told Steve Bray #FBPE that the Tories were signing his death warrant.adam wrote:Francois? Qu'a t-il faitAnatolyKasparov wrote:Sorry, don't quite understand the reference?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Gino in the news.
*AK Mark Francois's middle name is Gino
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Tarty rowers crazily will make Southend a city (4,7).
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Well explained. He's succeeded where I've so often failed!
Labour's voters are divided over Brexit, but the split is uneven overall (70-30 to Remain), unstable & complicated right down to the local level. No one is served by shoddy simplistic analysis treating large groups or areas as homogenously one thing or t'other, or fixed over time
7:36 am - 19 Jun 2019
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Things have come full circle in 6 yrs. Back in 2012-13 I regularly argued Lab faced a risk from neglecting disaffected working class voters defecting to UKIP. Now the risk they face is focusing only on this group and neglecting everyone else. Politics, eh? Funny old game. /ends/
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I do hope we're nearly out of this bind. Assuming Johnson becomes PM it's going to be so much easier to say look we tried to deliver the soft Brexit we believe many of our supporters wanted but we've been frustrated at every step. Not least by Boris Johnson. We think the right thing to do now is to stay in and try again to get the reforms people want. The EU could even help by indicating where a Remain coalition might be able to secure changes.
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Yeah, if the rumours are right the Labour "pivot" to supporting another vote could (finally) be nigh.
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Chasing voters is a lost cause.
A successful party is one that can construct its own unique vision and then win voters to it.
Something Corbyn's Labour is able to do in some areas, but has failed comprehensively to do in its response to Brexit.
Labour has no Brexit vision, just a series of strategic positions, responses and counter moves.
No doubt the hope is that Brexit will be a non issue by the next election. I fear, however, that this is a vain hope and that Brexit is going to be with us for a long, long time.
A successful party is one that can construct its own unique vision and then win voters to it.
Something Corbyn's Labour is able to do in some areas, but has failed comprehensively to do in its response to Brexit.
Labour has no Brexit vision, just a series of strategic positions, responses and counter moves.
No doubt the hope is that Brexit will be a non issue by the next election. I fear, however, that this is a vain hope and that Brexit is going to be with us for a long, long time.
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Rory Stewart is out - 10 votes less than last time.
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Boris Johnson - 143
Jeremy Hunt - 54
Michael Gove - 51
Sajid Javid - 38
Rory Stewart - 27
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His performance last night wasn't great, but....!?PorFavor wrote:Rory Stewart is out - 10 votes less than last time.
(clearly some of the votes he got yesterday were "loaned" rather than genuine)
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Good evening, everyone.
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I've not been on the music thread in the pub here because my current computer operating system and web browser are giving me troubles. I'll get it sorted but it may take time.
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Evening all. Back from a hard day at the coalface library
PM: We'll renegotiate with the EU!
EU: Sorry, we've said no
PM: OK, we'll leave without a deal!
Parliament: Sorry, we've said no
Edit: forgot the final bit...
PM: Er...now what?
So basically we have four people whose approach is this:Anna Turley MP
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So with Rory Stewart out of the Tory leadership, there is no one left supporting the deal that the government has spent 3 years negotiating. So we are no further on than we were on 24th June 2016. Bravo Conservatives. Let’s just get the British people to end this nightmare.
PM: We'll renegotiate with the EU!
EU: Sorry, we've said no
PM: OK, we'll leave without a deal!
Parliament: Sorry, we've said no
Edit: forgot the final bit...
PM: Er...now what?
If I'm not here, then I'll be in the library. Or the other library.
Re: Wednesday 19th June 2019
Best case scenario -
Boris Johnson gives Nigel Farage a peerage so that he (Nigel Farage) can enter government.
Enormous joint cock-up ensues. Most people get Johnson and Farage out of their system. What passes for normality returns. Labour get elected.
Boris Johnson gives Nigel Farage a peerage so that he (Nigel Farage) can enter government.
Enormous joint cock-up ensues. Most people get Johnson and Farage out of their system. What passes for normality returns. Labour get elected.
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brace! brace! brace!PorFavor wrote:Best case scenario -
Boris Johnson gives Nigel Farage a peerage so that he (Nigel Farage) can enter government.
Enormous joint cock-up ensues. Most people get Johnson and Farage out of their system. What passes for normality returns. Labour get elected.
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Goodnight, everyone.
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cJA
love,
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