Friday 13th September 2019
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Friday 13th September 2019
Morning all.
Sky - thanks for watching QT for us, another good review.
Sky - thanks for watching QT for us, another good review.
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Good morning, everyone.
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Thank you, Sky, for your QT report. It's always a pleasure reading your work.
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Nice to see Eric posting too ![Smile :-)](./images/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif)
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Twitter picked up a QT moment where Fiona Bruce asked a follow-up Q to Brandon Lewis and his opinion on David Cameron.
As he started squirming and mumbling in the spotlight, Bruce touched his arm and said don't worry I'm only teasing, then moved on to the next Q.
As he started squirming and mumbling in the spotlight, Bruce touched his arm and said don't worry I'm only teasing, then moved on to the next Q.
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Five hours in a freezer clearing jet oil,plus side was having fag breaks as soon as often as felt necessary,seventeen times may have been pushing it a bit.
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Frog also made an appearance.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Nice to see Eric posting too
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Sorry missed frog!
Nice to see old friends around![Smile :-)](./images/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif)
Nice to see old friends around
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Morning all.
I had a quick look to see how Spiked's new "Think-tank that has absolutely nothing to do with us!" funding was going and...
https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/a-new-thi ... itical-era" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The odd thing is that Joanna Williams already works for Policy Exchange - unless she's found that they're not right wing enough for her liking.
I had a quick look to see how Spiked's new "Think-tank that has absolutely nothing to do with us!" funding was going and...
https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/a-new-thi ... itical-era" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Er...except that they wanted ten grand...no doubt there's some spare Koch money lying around that they can use. It was even less until a few days ago when Anonymous popped up with 600 quid.We did it
On 13th September 2019 we successfully raised £2,650 with 69 supporters in 28 days
The odd thing is that Joanna Williams already works for Policy Exchange - unless she's found that they're not right wing enough for her liking.
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Re: Friday 13th September 2019
Quite.
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One dreadful aspect of Brexit is how some Brexiters trash any institution - parliament, civil service, judiciary - that they see as standing in the way of the "will of the people"
A Brexit based on these assaults on our domestic institutions is not a Brexit worth having
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Its the Year Zero mentality again.
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There's a word for this but as it's forrin maybe not appropriate...
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Good morfternoon.
Ha! A stall-holder in Rotherham, handing over some goods to Boris Johnson, is exhorted by a bystander to get the money first!
Ha! A stall-holder in Rotherham, handing over some goods to Boris Johnson, is exhorted by a bystander to get the money first!
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Not much falling about laughing in the aisles (or, I suspect, the isles) during Boris Johnson's speech effort in Rotherham.
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I gather he was heckled during it?
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laughed right t'hell outta town
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:I gather he was heckled during it?
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"A speech to northern politicians and business leaders in Rotherham was interrupted by a man who urged him to get back to parliament to sort out the mess he had created. Earlier a woman in Doncaster confronted Boris Johnson face-to-face and accused him of telling fairytales about spending and Brexit."
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RogerOThornhill wrote:" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;AnatolyKasparov wrote:I gather he was heckled during it?
Brilliant, Bill Edmunds.Bill Edmunds
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Replying to @York4EU
What happened to his magnificent oratory? Can he only do it when the Tory Wall of Noise backs him up?
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Yeah but they're those liberal metropolitan elite we hear so much about...citizenJA wrote:"A speech to northern politicians and business leaders in Rotherham was interrupted by a man who urged him to get back to parliament to sort out the mess he had created. Earlier a woman in Doncaster confronted Boris Johnson face-to-face and accused him of telling fairytales about spending and Brexit."
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Love Angela Rayner
David Cameron in the news again l see, emerging from his £25,000 luxury hut, it’s a coincidence l am sure that his book is currently being flogged around the media circuit, but don’t worry it will be in the bargain bucket of booksellers for a fiver just before Christmas.
David Cameron in the news again l see, emerging from his £25,000 luxury hut, it’s a coincidence l am sure that his book is currently being flogged around the media circuit, but don’t worry it will be in the bargain bucket of booksellers for a fiver just before Christmas.
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I like Mr. Gilchrist's contributions a lot.A man who interrupted Boris Johnson during a speech in Rotherham has said he felt compelled to heckle the prime minister over the suspension of parliament.
“He got me going when he started talking about how he valued local representation.”
Johnson had been talking about giving local people the power to sort out what mattered to them when [Ben] Gilchrist yelled:
“Like our MPs, Boris? Maybe get back to parliament.”
Johnson responded by saying:
“I’m all in favour of our MPs.”
Gilchrist then said:
“Why are you not with them in parliament sorting out the mess that you created?”
As he was removed from the hall, Gilchrist shouted:
“Why don’t you sort it out, Boris?”
- Johnson heckler says he was provoked by shutdown of parliament
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Please read the entire article.
Westminster is the home of Parliament, the House of Commons, where UK sovereignty resides.
(cJA bold)Later Johnson said: “Whatever the shenanigans that may be going on at Westminster, we will get on with delivering our agenda and preparing to take this country out of the EU on October 31st.”
Westminster is the home of Parliament, the House of Commons, where UK sovereignty resides.
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Oh, I see. People confronting the UK PM with factual information in a non-violent way are being made to feel as though they're in the wrong for 'politicising'. Interrupting a lying PM's speech is lower-lip trembling scary for poor Johnson and his champions. "You've made the PM feel uncomfortable. Don't you feel beastly for bringing up nine years of Tory austerity deaths on his nice day out?"
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Thanks to adam & willow for the discussion on the Scottish case the other night, v. interesting.
I expect those of you on twitter will already have seen Prof Dougan there, his brexit commentaries have been on youtube up to now. He's picked up 17k followers in no time at all.
Latest thread, about not getting over it.
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Re: Friday 13th September 2019
Five local council byelections yesterday:
Rutland - Tory gain from Independent, though the latter at least was inevitable as no Indy was standing this time. With the exception of 2011 when two Tories were returned, this ward has split 1C/1Ind in every election since 2003 - both in 2007 and earlier this year the two winners were opposed. This time the Tories faced actual party opposition for the first time this millennium, and won handily with over 55% of the vote. LibDems took just over a quarter, ahead of the Greens with a still respectable 19%.
Shropshire - LibDem hold with over 70% of the vote, in a ward which they won fairly narrowly in the inaugural 2009 unitary elections but with steadily increasing margins since (including earlier byelections in 2011 and 2016) and it says much that their share was slightly down on the most recent 2017 result. There was little swing though as the Tories, in their usual though increasingly distant second place here, also dropped slightly whilst Labour - who sat things out two years ago - scored 9%, actually a bit of an improvement on their last two outings in the previous byelections (the Greens not standing for the first time in the unitary era may have helped)
Rushmoor DC - LibDem hold with over half the vote in a ward where they have had historic strength, but Tories won all three seats in the 2012 all out elections and maintained their grip until the LibDems won a seat narrowly in 2018 and followed that up by gaining another seat with a slightly bigger margin this May. On that occasion a UKIP offshoot (British Sovereignty Party) polled decently, however, and the Tories may have hoped to profit from their absence - but LibDems increased by 16 points whilst Tories only advanced slightly. Labour third with 9%, down 6 points on earlier this year.
South Northamptonshire DC - the first of two Northants district vacancies this week (where the elections earlier this year were cancelled, remember - they are supposed to move to unitary status in 2020 but given the present chaos, who knows) and this one saw a LibDem gain from Tory in a ward where they made their first ever electoral appearance in a previous byelection last year, taking a respectable second place (previously the main challenge this century had come from Independents who took a seat in 2003 and then maintained a 1C/1Ind balance in the first of two unopposed elections in 2007, before two Tories were unopposed in 2011 and then defeated Independent opposition in 2015) and a 10 point increase since then took them to the mid 40s and enough to narrowly defeat the Tories even though they were only slightly down on the byelection (though over 20 points on four years ago) Greens doubled their poll to 10% ahead of Labour who (with a non local candidate) dropped by double figures to less than 7%.
Wellingborough DC - Tory hold with over half the vote in a ward where they have returned 2 councillors ever since the 2003 elections, then and in the next two cycles they faced only Labour opposition which they defeated comfortably if not overwhelmingly before 2015 saw a UKIP candidate also poll respectably. LibDems entered the fray in a previous 2016 byelection here, but the Tories won comfortably with over 60% of the vote - they were down about 10 points on that now but still up healthily on their 2015 score. Independent second with over 20%, followed by Greens on 12% (both standing here for the first time) beating Labour who again fell by double figures since the previous vacancy. LibDems with 6%, much the same as 2016 when they also came bottom.
Six contests next week.
Rutland - Tory gain from Independent, though the latter at least was inevitable as no Indy was standing this time. With the exception of 2011 when two Tories were returned, this ward has split 1C/1Ind in every election since 2003 - both in 2007 and earlier this year the two winners were opposed. This time the Tories faced actual party opposition for the first time this millennium, and won handily with over 55% of the vote. LibDems took just over a quarter, ahead of the Greens with a still respectable 19%.
Shropshire - LibDem hold with over 70% of the vote, in a ward which they won fairly narrowly in the inaugural 2009 unitary elections but with steadily increasing margins since (including earlier byelections in 2011 and 2016) and it says much that their share was slightly down on the most recent 2017 result. There was little swing though as the Tories, in their usual though increasingly distant second place here, also dropped slightly whilst Labour - who sat things out two years ago - scored 9%, actually a bit of an improvement on their last two outings in the previous byelections (the Greens not standing for the first time in the unitary era may have helped)
Rushmoor DC - LibDem hold with over half the vote in a ward where they have had historic strength, but Tories won all three seats in the 2012 all out elections and maintained their grip until the LibDems won a seat narrowly in 2018 and followed that up by gaining another seat with a slightly bigger margin this May. On that occasion a UKIP offshoot (British Sovereignty Party) polled decently, however, and the Tories may have hoped to profit from their absence - but LibDems increased by 16 points whilst Tories only advanced slightly. Labour third with 9%, down 6 points on earlier this year.
South Northamptonshire DC - the first of two Northants district vacancies this week (where the elections earlier this year were cancelled, remember - they are supposed to move to unitary status in 2020 but given the present chaos, who knows) and this one saw a LibDem gain from Tory in a ward where they made their first ever electoral appearance in a previous byelection last year, taking a respectable second place (previously the main challenge this century had come from Independents who took a seat in 2003 and then maintained a 1C/1Ind balance in the first of two unopposed elections in 2007, before two Tories were unopposed in 2011 and then defeated Independent opposition in 2015) and a 10 point increase since then took them to the mid 40s and enough to narrowly defeat the Tories even though they were only slightly down on the byelection (though over 20 points on four years ago) Greens doubled their poll to 10% ahead of Labour who (with a non local candidate) dropped by double figures to less than 7%.
Wellingborough DC - Tory hold with over half the vote in a ward where they have returned 2 councillors ever since the 2003 elections, then and in the next two cycles they faced only Labour opposition which they defeated comfortably if not overwhelmingly before 2015 saw a UKIP candidate also poll respectably. LibDems entered the fray in a previous 2016 byelection here, but the Tories won comfortably with over 60% of the vote - they were down about 10 points on that now but still up healthily on their 2015 score. Independent second with over 20%, followed by Greens on 12% (both standing here for the first time) beating Labour who again fell by double figures since the previous vacancy. LibDems with 6%, much the same as 2016 when they also came bottom.
Six contests next week.
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What are the chances of the electorate being once again taken in by the Lib Dems who will then go on to form a coalition government with the Conservatives?
As if there wasn't enough to worry about.
As if there wasn't enough to worry about.
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An interesting follow-up to the "I'm not a legal expert... but..." debate last night:
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/ ... -1-5004114
and the really interesting bit:SNP MP Joanna Cherry QC, English tax barrister Jo Maugham QC and businessman Dale Vince have launched a new action at the Court of Session, Scotland’s highest civil court.
The trio want the court to force Mr Johnson to send a letter to Brussels asking for an extension to Article 50.
The new legal move comes just days after the same court ruled the Prime Minister acted unlawfully in suspending Parliament.
It also follows the passing of legislation, brought by Labour MP Hillary Benn, that makes it illegal for the UK government from pursuing a so called hard Brexit.
It obliges Mr Johnson to ask for another delay to Britain’s departure from the EU in the event that an agreement cannot be struck at an EU Council meeting in mid October.
I can't see it happening in practice (unfortunately).The petitioners have raised the action in Scotland because the Inner House, Scotland’s highest civil appeal court, has powers which are unavailable to their English counterparts.
This power, known as a nobile officium, would allow the court to sign a letter requesting an extension to Article 50 if Mr Johnson refused to do so.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/ ... -1-5004114
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Goodnight, everyone.
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Saw her speaking in Birmingham this evening, with Jack Dromey (who organised the whole thing), some local heads, people from the teaching unions and the leader of birmingham city council - very good. Then Rayner had to run off with her husband for a meal because it was their anniversary!PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Love Angela Rayner
David Cameron in the news again l see, emerging from his £25,000 luxury hut, it’s a coincidence l am sure that his book is currently being flogged around the media circuit, but don’t worry it will be in the bargain bucket of booksellers for a fiver just before Christmas.
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