Friday 22nd November 2019
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Friday 22nd November 2019
Morning all.
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Here's the fact check for the rubbishing of the claim that it was 40 new hospitals.PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.
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Worth a watch!
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Re: Friday 22nd November 2019
Lest we forget...
Maureen Lipman drops long-standing support for Labour party
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ort-labour
Press Association
Wed 29 Oct 2014 20.10 GMTLast modified on Fri 19 Jul 2019 16.01 BST
The prominent actor said she could not vote for ‘Chuka Harman Burnham Hunt Balls brigade’
All those lefties eh?
Maureen Lipman drops long-standing support for Labour party
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ort-labour
Press Association
Wed 29 Oct 2014 20.10 GMTLast modified on Fri 19 Jul 2019 16.01 BST
The prominent actor said she could not vote for ‘Chuka Harman Burnham Hunt Balls brigade’
All those lefties eh?
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Re: Friday 22nd November 2019
Disappointed to see no QT review from Sky, his views on the tosser who thinks half the population earn more than £80k would have been notable.
It was a shame it was Burgon there, imo others would have been able to make capital out of it.
Bruce was pathetic and the BBC put out the clip without a strong indication that he was talking rubbish.
It was a shame it was Burgon there, imo others would have been able to make capital out of it.
Bruce was pathetic and the BBC put out the clip without a strong indication that he was talking rubbish.
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Re: Friday 22nd November 2019
Yes - I looked for it (in vain) this morning. Richard Burgon is a bit of a wet week (or a poultice as my Nan was wont to say - that's when she said anything at all as she was a woman of few words).
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Re: Friday 22nd November 2019
Shocked etc.
Tory candidate got illegal dividend from firm that went bust
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -went-bust
Tory candidate got illegal dividend from firm that went bust
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -went-bust
A Conservative parliamentary candidate who has been praised by Boris Johnson is facing questions over why he received an illegal dividend from a security firm that went into administration owing £271,000 in tax.
Stuart Anderson, who is trying to overturn a Labour majority of 2,185 in Wolverhampton South West, was a director and major shareholder of Anubis Associates for eight years until 2013 when the firm collapsed.
The firm, which trained security guards, was wound up by administrators who noted that Anderson had received more than £54,000 in unlawful dividends. He later repaid £2,000.
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Re: Friday 22nd November 2019
@cja
Thanks for that link about Fiona Hill yesterday, I hadn't heard her before so I found a clip so I could listen to her, 'the same region as George Washington's ancestors' has people with quite a few different accents.
She didn't sound like a Geordie or a Mackem so I investigated further, she's from Bishop Auckland.
My brother's been in the US since 1973 and still has a Yorkshire accent.
I don't doubt that Hill had the same experience he did, Americans having no idea where they were from.
Thanks for that link about Fiona Hill yesterday, I hadn't heard her before so I found a clip so I could listen to her, 'the same region as George Washington's ancestors' has people with quite a few different accents.
She didn't sound like a Geordie or a Mackem so I investigated further, she's from Bishop Auckland.
My brother's been in the US since 1973 and still has a Yorkshire accent.
I don't doubt that Hill had the same experience he did, Americans having no idea where they were from.
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Re: Friday 22nd November 2019
@RogerOThornhill
Your post reminds me -
Whatever happened to Close Protection UK and Molly Prince (the Olympics stewards thing)?
Your post reminds me -
Whatever happened to Close Protection UK and Molly Prince (the Olympics stewards thing)?
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Re: Friday 22nd November 2019
PorFavor wrote:@RogerOThornhill
Your post reminds me -
Whatever happened to Close Protection UK and Molly Prince (the Olympics stewards thing)?
Company went bust in 2013 - this is the most up to date story I can see.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/c ... de-2052413" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Friday 22nd November 2019
Johnson did a personal appearance with him at the start of the campaign. SW is the 'proper' marginal in wolvo, it's changed hands labout/tory in every election since 2005.RogerOThornhill wrote:Shocked etc.
Tory candidate got illegal dividend from firm that went bust
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -went-bust
A Conservative parliamentary candidate who has been praised by Boris Johnson is facing questions over why he received an illegal dividend from a security firm that went into administration owing £271,000 in tax.
Stuart Anderson, who is trying to overturn a Labour majority of 2,185 in Wolverhampton South West, was a director and major shareholder of Anubis Associates for eight years until 2013 when the firm collapsed.
The firm, which trained security guards, was wound up by administrators who noted that Anderson had received more than £54,000 in unlawful dividends. He later repaid £2,000.
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Re: Friday 22nd November 2019
She has "renounced" her support for Labour almost as many times as Nick Cohen has abandoned "the left"RogerOThornhill wrote:Lest we forget...
Maureen Lipman drops long-standing support for Labour party
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ort-labour
Press Association
Wed 29 Oct 2014 20.10 GMTLast modified on Fri 19 Jul 2019 16.01 BST
The prominent actor said she could not vote for ‘Chuka Harman Burnham Hunt Balls brigade’
All those lefties eh?
"IS TONTY BLAIR BEHIND THIS???!!!!111???!!!"
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On that note, I saw that that whiny know-nothing Kate Andrews has moved from the IEA to The Spectator as their economics correspondent - something she seems to have no qualification for whatsoever.
And who was giving their fulsome congratulations on this move but that well-known "lefty" Claire Fox and another of the Spiked crew Gareth Sturdy.
Funny that...
And who was giving their fulsome congratulations on this move but that well-known "lefty" Claire Fox and another of the Spiked crew Gareth Sturdy.
Funny that...
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Re: Friday 22nd November 2019
I’m Jewish and I’m voting Labour in the general election. Here’s why
Even 'many' would have been better.
If he'd just put 'some' at the beginning of the second sentence I'd be happy with this piece.The first thing, then, is to accept that the problem exists and has been terribly mishandled. Jewish Labour members (and members of parliament) have been made to feel unwelcome, while too many bigots and bullies have escaped discipline.
Even 'many' would have been better.
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Somewhat predictable given the right wing press obsession with IHT that the Brexit Party want to abolish it.
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Latest estimate from the OBR on how many estates it affects is...3.6%
Well done Nige - looking after the people at the bottom...
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Latest estimate from the OBR on how many estates it affects is...3.6%
Well done Nige - looking after the people at the bottom...
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I did try looking for the Brexit Party manifesto policy document but as yet haven't managed to locate it.
Certainly doesn't appear to be on their website.
Certainly doesn't appear to be on their website.
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Hello to you too.
Tories producing fake this, fake that -would they be doing this if they really did think they were coasting to victory?
Tories producing fake this, fake that -would they be doing this if they really did think they were coasting to victory?
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One to share.I still believe in a town called Hope
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That line might already have changed by today, mind.......
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Oh dearie me...
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Of all the people he could have chosen...Jesus wept!
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NEW: Former Labour MP Ian Austin backed Boris Johnson over Jeremy Corbyn... now he has gone several steps further
Austin has written a personal endorsement for — wait for it — the "outstanding" Philip Davies
Of all the people he could have chosen...Jesus wept!
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Re: Friday 22nd November 2019
He is tribally Labour to his core, though - and a tremendous loss to the party. Oh yes.
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I'm sure it'll emerge that "he's been on a journey"...AnatolyKasparov wrote:He is tribally Labour to his core, though - and a tremendous loss to the party. Oh yes.
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Re: Friday 22nd November 2019
I'd lived all over the US when I was a child hearing and learning different regional dialects. I don't know where I'm from.gilsey wrote:@cja
Thanks for that link about Fiona Hill yesterday, I hadn't heard her before so I found a clip so I could listen to her, 'the same region as George Washington's ancestors' has people with quite a few different accents.
She didn't sound like a Geordie or a Mackem so I investigated further, she's from Bishop Auckland.
My brother's been in the US since 1973 and still has a Yorkshire accent.
I don't doubt that Hill had the same experience he did, Americans having no idea where they were from.
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Am starting to vividly recall the 1997 and 2010 GEs. So much jubilation after the former; desperate optimism right to the end for that latter. And then Nick we'll-never-do-a-deal-with-the-Tories Clegg. Even so, I was still proud of us as an essentially OK multi-nation in (London) 2012. Why - I used to think Italy was weird voting in Berlusconi.
Ha!
Ha!
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Re: Friday 22nd November 2019
Looks like Corbyn did decent again.
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I'm only following the Guardian's coverage (not watching the TV) but Jo Swinson's a monumental failure, it seems.
Shame.
Shame.
Re: Friday 22nd November 2019
It felt very disjointed to me. Some very obscure questions at the start didn't really give much opportunity to get into campaign mode. I can't really think of any memorable points, though on the plus side that does mean no memorable gaffes either.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Looks like Corbyn did decent again.
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Oh, the Brexit Party manifesto that isn't called a manifesto is actually on their website - you just have to know that it's called Contract with the people and click on Contract.
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Oh look there's that "give an example of non sequitur" again...
Make the Civil Service more accountable to the public – we would require civil servants to sign an oath to act with political neutrality.
Not sure how that second bit would work given that the civil service generally carry out policy as directed by the government - what is he suggesting, that they could say "Sorry, that policy is too right/left wing so I'm refusing to carry it out"?
Make the Civil Service more accountable to the public – we would require civil servants to sign an oath to act with political neutrality.
Not sure how that second bit would work given that the civil service generally carry out policy as directed by the government - what is he suggesting, that they could say "Sorry, that policy is too right/left wing so I'm refusing to carry it out"?
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No experience, that's the problem. Ed Davey had served as a minister, so might have been a better choice. I have seen Swinson come across quite well in the past but not much sign of that now. She seems to be playing a role rather than being herself.PorFavor wrote:I'm only following the Guardian's coverage (not watching the TV) but Jo Swinson's a monumental failure, it seems.
Shame.
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She’s better than BJ.PorFavor wrote:I'm only following the Guardian's coverage (not watching the TV) but Jo Swinson's a monumental failure, it seems.
Shame.
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Re: Friday 22nd November 2019
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Can't think what brought that on . . .
Can't think what brought that on . . .
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Re: Friday 22nd November 2019
Phase out the BBC licence fee.
And do what?
And do what?
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I'm reading contributions from the politics bloggilsey wrote:She’s better than BJ.PorFavor wrote:I'm only following the Guardian's coverage (not watching the TV) but Jo Swinson's a monumental failure, it seems.
Shame.
Johnson is floundering more than ever
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Re: Friday 22nd November 2019
A seasoned London correspondent writes...
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What Johnson has claimed about the ‘living wage’ in London is completely untrue. He did not ‘bring it in’ and it was not the model for what the government now calls the ‘living wage’. London Living Wage is voluntary higher rate which London Mayors do not even set. Liar. #bbcqt
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Re: Friday 22nd November 2019
Johnson is sputtering something about the Bermuda Triangle
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Johnson came very close to calling Dominic Grieve a liar.
He also struggled visibly when dealing with a question from a woman dependent on benefits. The honest answer - we don't plan to anything to keep you on the right side of a foodbank - was sidestepped with a rather creepy offer to speak to her privately afterward to see what could be done for her. And everyone else due to go over to UC with a 5 week gap?...
He also struggled visibly when dealing with a question from a woman dependent on benefits. The honest answer - we don't plan to anything to keep you on the right side of a foodbank - was sidestepped with a rather creepy offer to speak to her privately afterward to see what could be done for her. And everyone else due to go over to UC with a 5 week gap?...
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Introduce 24-hour GP surgeries to relieve the strain in A&E departments.
How many additional GPs, nurses etc would be needed for this?
Oh, you didn't say...
It's the usual populist "People are complaining about this so here's a solution" piffle.
How many additional GPs, nurses etc would be needed for this?
Oh, you didn't say...
It's the usual populist "People are complaining about this so here's a solution" piffle.
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Re: Friday 22nd November 2019
Nice point from audience member that the many previous Tory promises of extra NHS cash have never actually materialised at the sharp end.
Johnson didn't appear to refute the NHS had been underfunded but I'm guessing we won't be seeing that clip in the round up.
Johnson didn't appear to refute the NHS had been underfunded but I'm guessing we won't be seeing that clip in the round up.
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Re: Friday 22nd November 2019
There seem to be quite a few angry waspi women on twitter at the moment. Not happy with Boris at all.
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Re: Friday 22nd November 2019
Sturgeon and Corbyn came out of things pretty well, Johnson was slippery as ever and Swinson bombed.
That's the consensus, and on this occasion I think it is pretty much spot on.
That's the consensus, and on this occasion I think it is pretty much spot on.
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Johnson crashed.
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Goodnight, everyone.
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cJA
love,
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Sturgeon has the confidence of a very long seasoned and skilled political leader, but also of somebody who knows they're going to win their election, but won't then have the responsibility of power that normally comes with that. It's like Farage at the Euro elections.
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