Wednesday 4th December 2019
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Wednesday 4th December 2019
Morning all.
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One world, like it or not - John Martyn
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Australia and New Zealand. a timid, cowardly person, especially a young person; crybaby.
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Australia and New Zealand. a timid, cowardly person, especially a young person; crybaby.
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Thinking of anybody in particular?
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Good morning, everyone.
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In all its inglory
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Some convoluted nonsense about suspension until the voters get a better offer,or something.There is no on the one hand or the other when fucking lives are at stake
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Its quintessential Cowley.HindleA wrote:In all its inglory
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(that is not a compliment btw)
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If I,or indeed the vast majority ,waited to get exactly what they want..turning up your nose at the food on offer is an act of selfish indulgence which actively ensures others starve.
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Is he that ignorant of Labours/NS history,especially early as far as his criticisms go-I find that hard to believe.
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The "beholden to no party"stuff,as if some kind of bravery when no more than self justification is,to continue the food theme,extremely unpalateable.
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Then again,having already voted,I can tell you the courage it took was somewhat immense-what asinine bollox
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Further the fact of revealing it was Labour ,I think I must be in line for at least the George Cross.
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There is absolutely nothing more indicative of selfish right-wingery/against all I believe Labourish thinking should be all about to my mind than locally deciding on personal basis and ignoring /at the expense of the overall effect.
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Exactly my first reaction to it too. Choosing the future government of the UK isn't something anyone can close their door on. I see that god damn smirking George Osborne behind every word of this crap. I'm too angry to write more right now.HindleA wrote:Some convoluted nonsense about suspension until the voters get a better offer,or something.There is no on the one hand or the other when fucking lives are at stake
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Forget Labourish-any concept of Society ,given the actual name of the publication and later almagamation with "New Society'Cowley appears to be trolling his own magazine.
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The sexist title not withstanding.
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Perhaps you could support civic engagement instead of cultivating sour resentment by lying about the Labour party leader.Perhaps, above all, a new politics for the 2020s must cultivate a civic patriotism that is inclusive and generous, rather than sour and resentful, and that reaffirms the value of the common good.
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We'd rather you starve to death because none of this food is appropriate for you to eat. Really, it's not good enough for you.HindleA wrote:If I,or indeed the vast majority ,waited to get exactly what they want..turning up your nose at the food on offer is an act of selfish indulgence which actively ensures others starve.
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It is a false distinction/separation ,particularly the fakery of the simplistic State provision squeezing out the family,one interacts with the other.The coalition enacted a double whammy of reducing provision and defacillitating-indeed obscenely falsely portraying family support/caring /disability/illness as lifestyle choice and penalising in targeted fashion eg bedrooms.
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The cynicism and irresponsible mendacious convolutions in that article are contemptibleHindleA wrote:There is absolutely nothing more indicative of selfish right-wingery/against all I believe Labourish thinking should be all about to my mind than locally deciding on personal basis and ignoring /at the expense of the overall effect.
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I think you removed a post,the above was referring to civil society/State interaction.The premise contained in the post was wrong.
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The quotation contained,to be clear.
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You're hitting the bulls' eye repeatedly today.HindleA wrote:It is a false distinction/separation ,particularly the fakery of the simplistic State provision squeezing out the family,one interacts with the other.The coalition enacted a double whammy of reducing provision and defacillitating-indeed obscenely falsely portraying family support/caring /disability/illness as lifestyle choice and penalising in targeted fashion eg bedrooms.
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I bravely shrug my shoulders and tut,go me.
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Shrug my shoulders with purpose,of course ,which makes all the difference
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And a very loud "tut"
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I did remove one post. It contained too much profanity. My spittle flecks off-putting. I was responding to this from the article.HindleA wrote:I think you removed a post,the above was referring to civil society/State interaction.The premise contained in the post was wrong.
The first step is to accept the new paradigm, which is the end of the Blairite/Cameroon version of liberal capitalism. After a decade of austerity, the state is returning to its primary function, which is the provision of security, as the philosopher John Gray has written in these pages. We believe in an interventionist, even moral state; in the efficacy and compensatory functions of the state to protect especially the most vulnerable against the damage inflicted on societies by free markets and globalisation. This should be complemented by the renewal of civil society and the intermediary institutions that lie between the market and the state: family networks, friendly societies, cooperatives and religious and charitable bodies.
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I'm not a girl or young woman any more. The distractions I allowed myself during that time are over too. I'll raise some different kind of hell now. A proper dragon, me.
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"protect the most vulnerable"-all false prescriptions stem from this phrase.
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A cloak of convenience
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Far from ensuring responsibility and "protection"it let's them off the hook.
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We are all vulnerable,"othering",eternal debate about most/really/genuine etc is diversion,itself ,to a literal dead end.
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He does mention a mind to overall consequences to be strictly fair but I find it disingenuous,shall we say
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I recall that when David Miliband took his ball away quit British politics, Cowley wrote a paean of praise so OTT it verged on the homoerotic.
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Let's us all of the hook,ie.the State -"most vulnerable"/we compliment ourselves on our occasional beneficence/satisfy our need for judgemental sneering superiority.
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The summer of 1981, really doesn't seem nearly four decades ago
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"Apologies"
There are fundamental differences between taking a"compromised"position as a lesser member of coalition and actively supporting,speaking for ,stepping up to the plate again and again to justify what you supposedly regret having to do,it wasn't even Webb's remit yet he argued stoically and repeatedly in favour of the penalty for the deemed spare rooms when obviously many were not
The apology is fake and contemptible.
There are fundamental differences between taking a"compromised"position as a lesser member of coalition and actively supporting,speaking for ,stepping up to the plate again and again to justify what you supposedly regret having to do,it wasn't even Webb's remit yet he argued stoically and repeatedly in favour of the penalty for the deemed spare rooms when obviously many were not
The apology is fake and contemptible.
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The New Statesman editorial is yet another bizarre instance of centrist intellectuals calling for a fundamental shift in the UK's economic model away from liberal capitalism, while simultaneously rejecting the only political force in the last three decades to have offered one.
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Quite.HindleA wrote:"Apologies"
There are fundamental differences between taking a"compromised"position as a lesser member of coalition and actively supporting,speaking for ,stepping up to the plate again and again to justify what you supposedly regret having to do,it wasn't even Webb's remit yet he argued stoically and repeatedly in favour of the penalty for the deemed spare rooms when obviously many were not
The apology is fake and contemptible.
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Its a completely incoherent editorial alright.
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Contemptible both in terms of the targeted and the general public as if ignorant of the crucial part you regretfully eagerly played,the obscene propaganda,misportrayal,lies and deception that were,no doubt,regretfully ,deployed.
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Don't do the grouping/labelling thing,many self-proclaimed/applied centrists will vote Labour,equally about an obsession about Corbyn,given we don't have a Presidential system it is far from intellectual to decide on that basis.
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And it is not as if the not Corbyn criticisms are that coherent,personally couldn't give a toss though of course Norris the Belisha beacon was disgracefully disbarred from standing by some arcane rule.
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Should have made him a parking-meter and got in touch with Bob for his intro.
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Waddya mean not still culturally relevant-shakes head-off,man
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Direct free-kick just outside the box
He shoots... PTO
He shoots... PTO