Tuesday 21st January 2020
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Tuesday 21st January 2020
Morning all.
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Joe Pike
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is NOT attending this morning’s GMB hustings.
All four other candidates have arrived at TUC HQ.
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@jessphillips
is NOT attending this morning’s GMB hustings.
All four other candidates have arrived at TUC HQ.
One world, like it or not - John Martyn
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Good morfternoon.
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Good morning, everyone.
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Is she preparing an "its not fair!" flounce out?gilsey wrote:Joe Pike
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is NOT attending this morning’s GMB hustings.
All four other candidates have arrived at TUC HQ.
"IS TONTY BLAIR BEHIND THIS???!!!!111???!!!"
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She's making an announcement at 3pm. Guessing it's withdrawing.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Is she preparing an "its not fair!" flounce out?gilsey wrote:Joe Pike
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Of course it's via video! So much more scope for emoting . . .Jess Phillips confirms she is withdrawing from Labour leadership contest
Jess Phillips has released a video message confirming she is withdrawing from the leadership contest. (Politics Live, Guardian).
Edited - tidy up
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Apparently not endorsing anybody else, something that the other candidates may actually be grateful for.
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Sigh of relief, more like.
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So who are Margaret Hodge , Wes Streeting and Rupert Murdoch going to support now ?
Forecast: no rain for the rest of the week, back on the tractor !
Forecast: no rain for the rest of the week, back on the tractor !
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The GMB backs Lisa Nandy (Sky TV News).
Angela Rayner for Deputy Leader.
Angela Rayner for Deputy Leader.
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Seems like everybody's dumping the "humbled" rubbish.Lisa Nandy has issued this statement about getting the GMB nomination. She said:
Labour is at a crossroads. To win again we will have to up our game, recover our ambition, and inspire a movement. The GMB, the biggest industrial union which speaks for more than half a million workers, has been offering that leadership time and time again in recent years. As I seek permission to lead us back to power as Labour’s next prime minister I could not be more proud to have their support.
(Politics Live, Guardian - my emphasis)
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hallelujahPorFavor wrote:Seems like everybody's dumping the "humbled" rubbish.Lisa Nandy has issued this statement about getting the GMB nomination. She said:
Labour is at a crossroads. To win again we will have to up our game, recover our ambition, and inspire a movement. The GMB, the biggest industrial union which speaks for more than half a million workers, has been offering that leadership time and time again in recent years. As I seek permission to lead us back to power as Labour’s next prime minister I could not be more proud to have their support.
(Politics Live, Guardian - my emphasis)
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Hallelujah indeed to no more humble but we're still at a bloody crossroads!
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I mean what about all the poor overlooked T-junctions and roundabouts?
They never get a mention.
They never get a mention.
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Journo in the mix says Jess Phillips was too truthful for Labour members (4,7).
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Hint
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Are you referring to a right spanner?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Journo in the mix says Jess Phillips was too truthful for Labour members (4,7).
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Yet another great hope of media centrism bites the dust - becoming a bit of a pattern now isn't it?
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Could berefitman wrote:Are you referring to a right spanner?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Journo in the mix says Jess Phillips was too truthful for Labour members (4,7).
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(cJA bold)PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Journo in the mix says Jess Phillips was too truthful for Labour members (4,7).
Rude blanket statement about people the journalist doesn't know
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Quite.citizenJA wrote:(cJA bold)PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Journo in the mix says Jess Phillips was too truthful for Labour members (4,7).
Rude blanket statement about people the journalist doesn't know
I do find all the MSM stuff about Labour members incredibly offensive. As though I can't think for myself?
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Great piece. Rings true to me. Actually Corbyn foretold it himself straight after the referendum.HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... e-election
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Some would say that the very fact that views differ among members and evidence more variance,subtlety and complexity than the majority of "journalists "exhibit themselves would suggest the extent of the relative amount of thought,involved.
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exactlyHindleA wrote:Some would say that the very fact that views differ among members and evidence more variance,subtlety and complexity than the majority of "journalists "exhibit themselves would suggest the extent of the relative amount of thought,involved.
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Maybe "comparative",instead of "relative",asking PF for clarification.
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Some people would also say that some journalists "think far too much of themselves",I couldn't possibly comment.
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HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... e-election
Corbyn always gave the impression he just wanted to get Brexit out of the way so he could get on with tackling the political questions he felt were more important. Except the 2016 referendum result made our future relationship with the EU the most important political question of our time. A question Corbyn had no real understanding of or desire to get to grips with. The reason Labour failed to adopt a convincing Brexit policy is because its leader never fully understood the ins and outs of the question and gave every impression he didn't really care beyond thinking trade and stuff was all a bit "capitalist".They had been on a long journey together, from the political wilderness to the brink of government, but they believed their electoral chances had been crushed, in what one rueful Labour source called, “the Brexit vice”.
I still think Labour should have adopted a soft Brexit policy inside the single market in opposition to Tory hard Brexit outside the SM right from the off, changing the fundamental question from in/out into what kind of Brexit. The People's Vote campaign grew into the disaster it always looked like for Labour because for too long Labour's Brexit policy, outside the single market, tended to endorse Tory Brexit policy rather than offer real and distinct opposition to it.
The election wasn't lost by Labour leavers voting Tory to get Brexit, it was lost by Labour voters going everywhere - Libdem, Green, Brexit Party, Tory plus staying at home. Corbyn was reasonably good at anti-austerity stuff in 2017 when Theresa May also talked about everything else but 2019 was about Brexit and Brexit was something Corbyn completely and utterly sucked at from start to finish. From the appalling speech post-EU referendum which almost cost him the leadership to the unconvincing committal to insipid neutrality in a further referendum during the election just gone, he had an unnerving ability to tap into the Brexit instincts of barely anyone. He went from insisting Labour couldn't been seen to be blocking Brexit to doing precisely that in aid of the ERG in voting down May's WA at the one point where blocking Brexit was actually the bigger risk.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a shame. He was just the wrong man at the wrong time, but that's the real art of politics, isn't it? There's no one right person, just the right person at the right time. And unfortunately the Tories are much better at understanding and acting on that than Labour.
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We must look all round very bright to the outside world.A Brexit Party MEP has prompted derision after complaining that Britain will have no representation at EU level after it leaves.
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LET'S FACE IT I'M JUST 'KIN' SEETHIN'
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FFS
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"Norris is willing"
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To be fair,Norris is far too truthful,given he is completely made up.
(Any similarity with existing Belisha beacons called Norris is purely coincidental)
(Any similarity with existing Belisha beacons called Norris is purely coincidental)
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HindleA wrote:Maybe "comparative",instead of "relative",asking PF for clarification.
I'd go for comparative, given the context.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rrent-formDominic Cummings thinktank called for 'end of BBC in current form'
Dominic Cummings’s thinktank called for the “end of the BBC in its current form” and suggested rightwingers should work to undermine the credibility of the broadcaster, branding it the “mortal enemy” of the Conservative party.
Cummings, who is Boris Johnson’s most powerful adviser, was the director of the New Frontiers Foundation when it called in 2004 for a campaign to target the BBC and the creation of a Fox News equivalent that would not be constrained by impartiality rules. (Guardian)
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Goodnight, everyone.
love,
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love,
cJA