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"" Doctors have been using a robot to treat the first person known to have been admitted to hospital in the US with a new strain of the coronavirus, as part of an effort to prevent the spread of the disease, which has killed at least 17 people in China and infected hundreds more.

The man in his 30s was admitted to the special pathogens unit in a hospital in Everett, Washington, on Monday. The US citizen had recently returned from a trip to central China and had been diagnosed in Seattle.

Dr George Diaz, the section chief of infectious diseases at Providence Regional Medical Center Everett, told the Guardian the patient was in a “satisfactory condition” on Wednesday. He did not give an update on how long the patient would remain in the unit. ""

That was Monday the twentieth of JANUARY .

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https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status ... 5512167424

Trump was asked why he disbanded the White House pandemic office ??????????????

He didn't know about it, couldn't remember ...

Well I can --

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... FaXjLMr4U4

This is from the tenth of May 2018 --
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Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer left the National Security Council (NSC) this week, and national security adviser John Bolton dissolved the global health security team that Ziemer oversaw.

The Post reported that Ziemer will not be replaced, and that his departure means that there is no single official at the highest levels of the administration who focuses only on global health security.""

And all of that was because Trump just HAD to destroy anything that Obama did !


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Morning all.

Back from the usual Saturday shop and I find...

No rice
No pasta
No toilet rolls

We only needed the third but can make do with tissues of which there were a few boxes left.

I'm pretty sure it'll be back to normal next week.

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I don't get why prediction markets think there's a ~60% chance of a recession this year but that Trump is a ~55% favorite for re-election. One of those forecasts is almost certainly wrong.

I saw a thread yesterday on what would happen if the US election had to be cancelled, Trump would be out on 20 Jan 2021. Speaker would be POTUS, failing that for some reason then the President of the Senate, who would be a democrat. President Pelosi!
Unless he can change the Constitution, of course, you wouldn't put it past him to try.

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Elections for POTUS weren't scrapped/delayed for 1864 (Civil War still raging) or 1944 (WW2)

So can't really see it happening this time.


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Thread.

https://twitter.com/demarionunn/status/ ... 7237203968

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JFC.

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"How well or badly do you think the UK Government are handling the issue of the Coronavirus (COVID-19)?"

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31% ~ Well
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Elections for POTUS weren't scrapped/delayed for 1864 (Civil War still raging) or 1944 (WW2)

So can't really see it happening this time.

Neither I, nor the person writing the thread, were suggesting it was likely.

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Morning all.

Back from the usual Saturday shop and I find...

No rice
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No toilet rolls

We only needed the third but can make do with tissues of which there were a few boxes left.

I'm pretty sure it'll be back to normal next week.


Me at Sainsburys a couple of days ago. Talk about perfect timing :D

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JFC.

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"How well or badly do you think the UK Government are handling the issue of the Coronavirus (COVID-19)?"

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31% ~ Well
52% ~ Badly

[65+]
76% ~ Well
14% ~ Badly

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Though that poll was taken before the latest screeching u-turn.


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Sainsburys here had lots of their own brand the other day but little else, Morrisons on the other hand had just restocked and they were piled high.

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Sainsburys here had lots of their own brand the other day but little else, Morrisons on the other hand had just restocked and they were piled high.


I overheard a literal shriek of terror in Sainsburys - "They're out of Andrex!"

There wasn't a lot of choice, it's true, but they did have toilet roll, which is all you need if you've completely run out and if you haven't, well, Tesco is only 10 minutes away and they had plenty of Andrex, yesterday, it was their own brand they were completely out of. I think we can figure out why.......

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I don't get why prediction markets think there's a ~60% chance of a recession this year but that Trump is a ~55% favorite for re-election. One of those forecasts is almost certainly wrong.

I saw a thread yesterday on what would happen if the US election had to be cancelled, Trump would be out on 20 Jan 2021. Speaker would be POTUS, failing that for some reason then the President of the Senate, who would be a democrat. President Pelosi!
Unless he can change the Constitution, of course, you wouldn't put it past him to try.
thank christ for checks and balances
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Sainsburys here had lots of their own brand the other day but little else, Morrisons on the other hand had just restocked and they were piled high.
I overheard a literal shriek of terror in Sainsburys - "They're out of Andrex!"

There wasn't a lot of choice, it's true, but they did have toilet roll, which is all you need if you've completely run out and if you haven't, well, Tesco is only 10 minutes away and they had plenty of Andrex, yesterday, it was their own brand they were completely out of. I think we can figure out why.......
I'd dislike running out of toilet paper but hygienic alternatives are available at home. It's not the first thing on my list of must buy. Fresh fruit, vegetables and milk require frequent replenishment. Rice, lentils, canned beans, sardines, dried fruit, oats, fragrance-free soap and laundry detergent, lime-scale prevention tablets, disposable sponges, heavy-duty bin liners and must remember getting alcohol to clean the new thermometer


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On this website you can find information and guidance from WHO regarding the current outbreak of coronavirus disease (COVID-19) that was first reported from Wuhan, China, on 31 December 2019. Please visit this page for daily updates.

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Plan my next supermarket visit on Monday - will be interesting to see what is left!


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At least nobody seemed to be panic buying beer...

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At least nobody seemed to be panic buying beer...

We have Sunday morning opening at some of my local supermarkets, and I'm planning another stocking-up shop tomorrow, including beer !

It'll be interesting to see what was being 'attacked' today . Yesterday there was no 60 and 90% medical alcohol left, and the wipes that were also antiviral (H1N1 specifically) had all gone too.


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Leeds Tesco.

No toilet roll or kitchen roll.
No pasta.
No tinned tomatoes of any kind, no tomato puree, in fact no tomato products at all.
No eggs.
No flour.
No frozen peas.
No Ibuprofen or Paracetemol.

And those are just the things I looked for, there were plenty of other empty shelves.

Oh how I amire that keep calm and carry on spirit of the great British public.


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No flour here, either (online shopping). So soufflé's off.


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Sky'sGoneOut wrote:
Leeds Tesco.

No toilet roll or kitchen roll.
No pasta.
No tinned tomatoes of any kind, no tomato puree, in fact no tomato products at all.
No eggs.
No flour.
No frozen peas.
No Ibuprofen or Paracetemol.

And those are just the things I looked for, there were plenty of other empty shelves.

Oh how I amire that keep calm and carry on spirit of the great British public.


But......but WE WON TWO WORLD WARS SINGLE HANDED!!!!!!!!!


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Local Sainsbury's here out of toilet rolls
Along the empty shelves were Sainsbury logo signs printed/plastic-covered asking all to consider others and limit purchasing no more than five of one product. No dried basil either, annoying Mr citizen. When I lived in the US, I recall regularly seeing workers using disposable gloves as a matter of course. I only remember that now having seen some workers using them today.


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Leeds Tesco.

No toilet roll or kitchen roll.
No pasta.
No tinned tomatoes of any kind, no tomato puree, in fact no tomato products at all.
No eggs.
No flour.
No frozen peas.
No Ibuprofen or Paracetemol.

And those are just the things I looked for, there were plenty of other empty shelves.

Oh how I amire that keep calm and carry on spirit of the great British public.
But......but WE WON TWO WORLD WARS SINGLE HANDED!!!!!!!!!
Anyone seen HindleA? No pasta, tomato products or basil in the shops. Lasagna hoarding.


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But......but WE WON TWO WORLD WARS SINGLE HANDED!!!!!!!!!


Can't shoot down viruses with Spitfires I'm afraid.


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...alcohol to clean the new thermometer
We had to interview with the chemist before getting clearance to purchase a box of pre-moistened isopropyl alcohol wipes. They were reasonably priced.


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While EU PMs are arranging catering, financial assistance and new duvets for their populations, we've got Johnson telling us say goodbye to your loved ones while you can.


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Coronavirus: Hancock urged to guarantee sick pay for social care workers

MPs sign letter asking for stronger assurances self-isolating carers on zero-hours contracts will be compensated (Guardian)


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Anyone seen HindleA? No pasta, tomato products or basil in the shops. Lasagna hoarding.


It does seem awfully suspicious doesn't it?

And it doesn't stop there, one time he told me he was a massive fan of toilet paper, knew all the brands and everything. Had an Andrex puppy sitting on top of some kind of shrine.


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Anyone seen HindleA? No pasta, tomato products or basil in the shops. Lasagna hoarding.
It does seem awfully suspicious doesn't it?

And it doesn't stop there, one time he told me he was a massive fan of toilet paper, knew all the brands and everything. Had an Andrex puppy sitting on top of some kind of shrine.
It all makes sense now and I regret the two minutes I suspected him of selfishness. He's likely delivering lasagna and toilet rolls to those without both as we type.


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MPs sign letter asking for stronger assurances self-isolating carers on zero-hours contracts will be compensated (Guardian)

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NHS England issued guidance advising trusts to give full sick pay to staff who have to self-isolate because of the disease, but there is growing concern nearly 400,000 carers on zero-hours contracts may miss out. There are fears that carers, who earn little more than £8 an hour on average in the private sector, may turn up for work when they are unwell to avoid losing pay because of illness or self-isolation.
I think it more likely they continue working because no one else will fill their place leaving people without any care at all.
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" France has announced the closure of all public places “non essential” to public life including restaurants, cafes, cinemas and discos from midnight Saturday.

“We must absolutely limit movement, meetings and contacts,” French prime minister Edouard Philippe said on Saturday evening. Food shops, tobacconists, banks and public transport will remain open, he said. "

WHOOPS ! Maybe I should have bought my beer today !

I'll see if I can get there by 9 .... it should be, or MAY be sociologically interesting !

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So... I might have this wrong, but...

China - c80,000 cases and c3100 deaths - spread of infection appears to be highly controlled because of lockdown measures
Italy - 15,000edit- c20,000 infected, over 1000 deaths, massive measures in place to restrict infection.
South Korea - c8,000 cases, c100 deaths,massive measures in place to rescrict infection

Three of the worst case countries but typical of what's going on everywhere else in the world. Put controls and restrictions in place, fight infection, protect the sick and vulnerable.

UK - the government are actively persuing a plan that should see infections rise to something like 40,000,000, which would very very roughly, at a 'better' estimate of 1% fatality, mean we would expect to see around 400,000 deaths.

EDITED AGAIN TO ADD - estimated UK military and civilian combined casualties in World War II - c450,000.

I think we need to start telling public figures - politicians, doctors, opinion formers and spreaders - who are pursuing this, that when this lunacy has passed from the country they will never work again, that we will hold them to account.

Edited to add - I know that I sound completely insane here.

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The most common symptoms of COVID-19 are fever, tiredness, and dry cough. Some patients may have aches and pains, nasal congestion, runny nose, sore throat or diarrhea. These symptoms are usually mild and begin gradually. Some people become infected but don’t develop any symptoms and don't feel unwell. Most people (about 80%) recover from the disease without needing special treatment. Around 1 out of every 6 people who gets COVID-19 becomes seriously ill and develops difficulty breathing. Older people, and those with underlying medical problems like high blood pressure, heart problems or diabetes, are more likely to develop serious illness. People with fever, cough and difficulty breathing should seek medical attention.

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detai ... naviruses#

I don't think the UK government website gives the same advice and information.
1 out of 6 people contracting COVID-19 becoming seriously ill and when to seek medical attention


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No, you don't.


But,but but....the Emperor is completely naked!

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Revealed: elderly to be quarantined at home or in care homes for four months, in "wartime-style" mobilisation to combat Coronavirus. Full details here.


Ah, so the Cummings Great Social Experiment didn't last long then. Who knew??


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UK - the government are actively persuing a plan that should see infections rise to something like 40,000,000, which would very very roughly, at a 'better' estimate of 1% fatality, mean we would expect to see around 400,000 deaths.


Precisely, not to mention around 30% of the 'healthy' population who catch Coronavirus will require medical treatment, that's (very roughly) 12 million people.

Thankfully the sheer callous insanity of this herd immunity approach seems to be sinking in and the backlash and u-turns have begun.

Just two nights ago Steve Baker on Question Time claimed there was 'scientific consensus across the UK' in support of the government's actions. That was laughable then and after the letter from hundreds of scientists demanding more restrictive measures today I'd love to hear him try and repeat it.

Scientific advisors give a range of options, they don't dictate policy, Johnson and his twisted cronies will have chosen this course of action because it's cheap and they had to do very little. I'm not sure what they thought was going to happen when people realised half a million of them were going to be sacrificed.


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Revealed: elderly to be quarantined at home or in care homes for four months, in "wartime-style" mobilisation to combat Coronavirus. Full details here.


Ah, so the Cummings Great Social Experiment didn't last long then. Who knew??


I wouldn't be so sure. This sounds suspiciously like the "cocooning" of vulnerable people necessary in the let everyone get infected herd immunity bollocks scenario. I'd rather children were protected from getting it as much as possible too by closing schools so they can still see gran and grandad occasionally without killing them but then, hey, I'm crazy and think limiting deaths as much as possible until a vaccine is ready is more important than protecting GDP.

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I wouldn't be so sure. This sounds suspiciously like the "cocooning" of vulnerable people necessary in the let everyone get infected herd immunity bollocks scenario. I'd rather children were protected from getting it as much as possible too by closing schools so they can still see gran and grandad occasionally without killing them but then, hey, I'm crazy and think limiting deaths as much as possible until a vaccine is ready is more important than protecting GDP.


A vaccine that won't be available to us until sometime after it's available to the EU nations, and at a greater cost.

I've said to my school that I think I have to choose between quarenteening myself from work (public transport/secondary school) or my family and that I really should be allowed not to choose school, and they've said that sounds fair enough but can you bear with us for a bit.

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