Wednesday 24th June 2020

A home from home
Forum rules
Welcome to FTN. New posters are welcome to join the conversation. You can follow us on Twitter @FlythenestHaven You are responsible for the content you post. This is a public forum. Treat it as if you are speaking in a crowded room. Site admin and Moderators are volunteers who will respond as quickly as they are able to when made aware of any complaints. Please do not post copyrighted material without the original authors permission.
Locked
User avatar
refitman
Site Admin
Posts: 7691
Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 7:22 pm
Location: Wombwell, United Kingdom

Wednesday 24th June 2020

Post by refitman »

Morning all.
frog222
Prime Minister
Posts: 5339
Joined: Sun 29 Nov, 2015 1:24 pm

Re: Wednesday 24th June 2020

Post by frog222 »

21 warming up ! 30 later ...

SWEENEY INVESTIGATES What Connects Robert Jenrick to the Gambino Crime Family and Putin's Oligarchs?
John Sweeney 23 June 2020

“”It has to be asked whether Jenrick’s past associates in Moscow form part of the Russia Report, the investigation by Parliament’s Intelligence and Security Committee into whether oligarchs close to the Kremlin have bought influence in British politics.

The Prime Minister sat on the report before December’s General Election and, for the moment, issues about the formation of the committee have prevented its publication, allegedly.

Say what you like about ex-porn baron Richard Desmond, when you ask him about embarrassing connections in his life, the ox does not step on his tongue. The same cannot be said of “Honest Bob” and his master Johnson, whose continuing silence on matters Russian are no longer just troubling but getting close to self-accusation.

The Gambino crime family deny any wrongdoing. “”
https://bylinetimes.com/2020/06/23/swee ... oligarchs/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why Robert Jenrick is the worst cabinet minister you haven’t heard of (3/3/20)
(( Rather a lot of Tory competition for that one ?)
Anyway, that row. In January, the papers began reporting that McVey, who by that point had been the second-ranked minister in the housing ministry for all of five months, was clashing with the secretary of state, Robert Jenrick, over how to tackle the housing crisis. McVey, the MP for Tatton, who has always made much of being a working-class Tory, wanted to put more money into social housing, on the grounds it would appeal to new Tory voters from backgrounds like her own. Jenrick, who knows a lot about houses because, by his early 30s, he already owned three of them, thought it more important that the party focus all its attention and scarce housing budget on boosting owner occupation, ostensibly on the grounds that this had worked (citation needed) in the 1980s.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... en-t-heard" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
From his mid-twenties he accumulated a lot of £ very fast ?
frog222
Prime Minister
Posts: 5339
Joined: Sun 29 Nov, 2015 1:24 pm

Re: Wednesday 24th June 2020

Post by frog222 »

Hubris and Technology Triumphalism
THE GOVERNMENT’S £12M COVID-19 CONTACT TRACING APP

Paul Dempsey 23 June 2020
"" The Apps’ Role in Track and Trace

The UK system is a three-legged stool. There is the app. There is a mostly centralised network of 25,000 contact tracers, under the aegis of Baroness Dido Harding and administered by contactor Serco. These feed data in a common format into an AI-based hub. This is enabled by data cleaning and warehousing, and analytics from two other contractors, respectively Palantir and Faculty.

The problem with this architecture is that it imposes an architectural and engineering rigidity upon a system that has already been described as “not fit for purpose” in a lengthy report by the Independent SAGE group of scientists and public health experts.

The effective failure of the NHSX app project illustrates how technology is becoming more of a hindrance than a benefit because of how its objectives have been defined. ""
https://bylinetimes.com/2020/06/23/hubr ... acing-app/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

--------------------------------------
PALANTIR ?
"" Back in March, as concern about the looming impact of COVID-19 on the UK’s National Health Service (NHS) took hold, the government revealed plans for the health service to work with the aforementioned tech companies to develop a “data platform” — to help coordinate its response, touting the “power” of “secure, reliable and timely data” to inform “effective” pandemic decisions.

However the government’s lack of transparency around such massive health data deals with commercial tech giants — including the controversial firm Palantir, which has a track record of working with intelligence and law enforcement agencies to track individuals, such as supplying tech to ICE to aid deportations — raises major flags. ""
https://techcrunch.com/2020/06/05/uks-c ... _rXgESTGBS" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

-----------------------------------

Very Big Money ...
gilsey
Prime Minister
Posts: 6173
Joined: Thu 28 Aug, 2014 10:51 am

Re: Wednesday 24th June 2020

Post by gilsey »

Around 1pm: MPs begin a debate on a Labour motion requesting a “humble address” to force the release of papers relating to the decision by Robert Jenrick, the communities secretary, to approve a housing development belonging to the Tory donor Richard Desmond. The vote will come at around 4pm.
One world, like it or not - John Martyn
gilsey
Prime Minister
Posts: 6173
Joined: Thu 28 Aug, 2014 10:51 am

Re: Wednesday 24th June 2020

Post by gilsey »

Jack Blanchard from Politico Europe has already had a good look at the new guidance (see 9.29am) for his London Playbook morning briefing. For some reason, he seemed to take a keen interest in the rules that would apply for pubs. Here’s an extract from his write-up.

Meet ‘n’ greet: Pubs will be offering hand sanitizer at the door, while “encouraging compliance” among drinkers with the new limits on social gatherings. In other words — staff will be expected to explain to that big gang of lads who came in for some serious drinking on Super Saturday that, erm, sorry about this chaps, but “indoor gatherings should be limited to members of any two households”. It should make for some entertaining conversations about people’s supposed living arrangements, if nothing else.

This is England: Ministers clearly fear sudden rain showers could also be a problem, when beer gardens are packed and access to venues restricted. Pubs should be “planning for maintaining social distancing … in the event of adverse weather conditions,” the government warns, “being clear that customers cannot seek shelter indoors unless social distancing can be maintained.” Again, the conversations at the door with the now half-cut (and half-soaked) lads demanding shelter at the bar should be worth watching.
:D
One world, like it or not - John Martyn
User avatar
RogerOThornhill
Prime Minister
Posts: 11115
Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 10:18 pm

Re: Wednesday 24th June 2020

Post by RogerOThornhill »

Morning all.

London Mayor and London Assembly on the move...

https://www.onlondon.co.uk/exclusive-lo ... -of-covid/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Current building at City Hall is only rented but a break clause gives them the chance of moving to something the GLA already own and which is largely empty.

I'm sure that Shaun Bailey will find some fault with the idea but sounds good to me.
If I'm not here, then I'll be in the library. Or the other library.
gilsey
Prime Minister
Posts: 6173
Joined: Thu 28 Aug, 2014 10:51 am

Re: Wednesday 24th June 2020

Post by gilsey »

Matthew Malthouse
@Calmeilles
Replying to
@paulwaugh
and
@SadiqKhan
Why was a building expressly for the GLA only a lease in the first place?

Construction costs were £45m, rent has been twice that already.
One world, like it or not - John Martyn
User avatar
RogerOThornhill
Prime Minister
Posts: 11115
Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 10:18 pm

Re: Wednesday 24th June 2020

Post by RogerOThornhill »

Norman Tebbit is now trending on that Twitter because that piece of junk that he wrote with Hitler being extreme left was actually printed in the DT today.

I know it plays well with the readership - I used to see similar claims BTL all the time - all except for one extremely well-read ethno-nationalist whose name I've forgotten who knew exactly where Nazism sat on the right-left scale.

I blame Hayek...
If I'm not here, then I'll be in the library. Or the other library.
User avatar
RogerOThornhill
Prime Minister
Posts: 11115
Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 10:18 pm

Re: Wednesday 24th June 2020

Post by RogerOThornhill »

Tebbit has probably forgotten this...or more likely he knows full well and is being a prick.

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
If I'm not here, then I'll be in the library. Or the other library.
AnatolyKasparov
Prime Minister
Posts: 15624
Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 9:26 pm

Re: Wednesday 24th June 2020

Post by AnatolyKasparov »

RogerOThornhill wrote:Norman Tebbit is now trending on that Twitter because that piece of junk that he wrote with Hitler being extreme left was actually printed in the DT today.

I know it plays well with the readership - I used to see similar claims BTL all the time - all except for one extremely well-read ethno-nationalist whose name I've forgotten who knew exactly where Nazism sat on the right-left scale.

I blame Hayek...
Hayek may have made the original claim, but I think it was first "popularised" in the US by Randians?
"IS TONTY BLAIR BEHIND THIS???!!!!111???!!!"
GetYou
Minister of State
Posts: 527
Joined: Thu 12 Feb, 2015 6:16 pm
Location: Labour-Liberal marginal

Re: Wednesday 24th June 2020

Post by GetYou »

gilsey wrote:
Around 1pm: MPs begin a debate on a Labour motion requesting a “humble address” to force the release of papers relating to the decision by Robert Jenrick, the communities secretary, to approve a housing development belonging to the Tory donor Richard Desmond. The vote will come at around 4pm.
I'm watching this now, it's a damning charge sheet.
GetYou
Minister of State
Posts: 527
Joined: Thu 12 Feb, 2015 6:16 pm
Location: Labour-Liberal marginal

Re: Wednesday 24th June 2020

Post by GetYou »

Steve Reed has been pretty good so far
GetYou
Minister of State
Posts: 527
Joined: Thu 12 Feb, 2015 6:16 pm
Location: Labour-Liberal marginal

Re: Wednesday 24th June 2020

Post by GetYou »

Robert Jenrick: "this was a decision taken with an open mind"

I think he means open wallet.
User avatar
RogerOThornhill
Prime Minister
Posts: 11115
Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 10:18 pm

Re: Wednesday 24th June 2020

Post by RogerOThornhill »

I didn't see it as usual - haven't bothered for ages but this doesn't sound good.
Iain Dale
@IainDale
Boris Johnson is getting the tone all wrong in PMQs today. Keir Starmer is going out of his way to be supportive and is asking perfectly reasonable questions. Party political grandstanding is not what the general public wants at the moment. Nor is bluster.
12:12 PM · Jun 24, 2020·TweetDeck
If I'm not here, then I'll be in the library. Or the other library.
User avatar
RogerOThornhill
Prime Minister
Posts: 11115
Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 10:18 pm

Re: Wednesday 24th June 2020

Post by RogerOThornhill »

PMQs - Snap verdict
Andrew Sparrow
Boris Johnson has never won an exchange with Sir Keir Starmer (or anyone?) on a matter of detail. He can survive by changing the subject (as he did reasonably effectively last week), but it does not always work, and it certainly didn’t today. He floundered badly. It was almost dismal.
:D
If I'm not here, then I'll be in the library. Or the other library.
AnatolyKasparov
Prime Minister
Posts: 15624
Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 9:26 pm

Re: Wednesday 24th June 2020

Post by AnatolyKasparov »

Starmer called him out on his fib about tracing systems, apparently.
"IS TONTY BLAIR BEHIND THIS???!!!!111???!!!"
GetYou
Minister of State
Posts: 527
Joined: Thu 12 Feb, 2015 6:16 pm
Location: Labour-Liberal marginal

Re: Wednesday 24th June 2020

Post by GetYou »

Jenrick now blaming Labour for not building more social housing. You couldn't make this stuff up.
GetYou
Minister of State
Posts: 527
Joined: Thu 12 Feb, 2015 6:16 pm
Location: Labour-Liberal marginal

Re: Wednesday 24th June 2020

Post by GetYou »

David Linden (SNP) also cutting through the bs with some clarity.
AnatolyKasparov
Prime Minister
Posts: 15624
Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 9:26 pm

Re: Wednesday 24th June 2020

Post by AnatolyKasparov »

GetYou wrote:Jenrick now blaming Labour for not building more social housing. You couldn't make this stuff up.
Up there with Javid's statement last year that Labour were to blame for homelessness. IIRC totally unchallenged by our "fearless truth seeking" media.
"IS TONTY BLAIR BEHIND THIS???!!!!111???!!!"
User avatar
Willow904
Prime Minister
Posts: 7220
Joined: Thu 18 Sep, 2014 2:40 pm

Re: Wednesday 24th June 2020

Post by Willow904 »

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Starmer called him out on his fib about tracing systems, apparently.
Johnson's response to why the tracing app that he had previously said was "key" has, in a matter of weeks, become merely desirable was to wildly claim that there wasn't a single fully working track and trace app in the whole world (or similar dramatic words to that effect). He looked ridiculously triumphant when he said this. Starmer simply and effectively replied with facts that amply illustrated just how much further ahead Germany were with their app (12m downloads).

We also revisited the 600,000 extra children in poverty that Starmer was previously correct about and Johnson was wrong, except Johnson seemed to claim he was right if you only count the 100,000 in absolute poverty and redefine the other 500,000 in relative poverty as not poor enough to give a shit about. At least I think that's what he said, I might have misunderstood his point ;)
"Fall seven times, get up eight" - Japanese proverb
AnatolyKasparov
Prime Minister
Posts: 15624
Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 9:26 pm

Re: Wednesday 24th June 2020

Post by AnatolyKasparov »

Jenrick now saying he will make available "all relevant documentation". A result of sorts.
"IS TONTY BLAIR BEHIND THIS???!!!!111???!!!"
gilsey
Prime Minister
Posts: 6173
Joined: Thu 28 Aug, 2014 10:51 am

Re: Wednesday 24th June 2020

Post by gilsey »

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Jenrick now saying he will make available "all relevant documentation". A result of sorts.
It's surely a demonstration of how far up the RW media's backside the tories are, that Desmond got this for £12k.
My first reaction was, Jenrick's cheap.
One world, like it or not - John Martyn
User avatar
RogerOThornhill
Prime Minister
Posts: 11115
Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 10:18 pm

Re: Wednesday 24th June 2020

Post by RogerOThornhill »

Oh dear...Taxi for Jenrick!

" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If I'm not here, then I'll be in the library. Or the other library.
User avatar
RogerOThornhill
Prime Minister
Posts: 11115
Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 10:18 pm

Re: Wednesday 24th June 2020

Post by RogerOThornhill »

I forgot that Shaun Bailey is a complete moron...
Shaun Bailey
@ShaunBaileyUK
Can you imagine the Government needing to sell Parliament because they’d run out of money?

It’s really got that bad in London

Since 2016,
@SadiqKhan
has increased GLA office costs by an eye-watering £527m (320%)

And now Londoners are paying the price.
Khan proposes moving City Hall to cut costs
London's government will move to The Crystal in Royal Docks, under new plans to save £11m a year.
bbc.co.uk
6:51 PM · Jun 24, 2020·Hootsuite Inc.
And trying to cut costs - hey, you can't do that!

Twit.
If I'm not here, then I'll be in the library. Or the other library.
Locked