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Tuesday 8th September 2020

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Morning all.
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Morning all.

'Er indoors has gone off for a Covid test before her op on Friday so I have to isolate when she returns.

Meanwhile...Nadine Dorries gets a reminder about things people said.

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And another one departs...
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Collision symbol SCOOP from Team FT: Jonathan Jones, head of the Government Legal Department, is quitting after a major spat over suggestions Boris Johnson will challenge the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement.

He's the 6th senior Whitehall figure to resign this year.
Can't blame him wanting out from this car crash of an administration.
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And DAG on why this is significant.

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I mean, this idea that the government can rip up agreements with total immunity sounds like another bit of Cummings GALAXY BRAINERY doesn't it?
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David Henig
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Brexit will never stop while a large group of Conservative MPs think breaching international law by denouncing a treaty they themselves voted for is something that most other nations would respect.
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He's talking about the ERG of course. Bernard Jenkin's statement is attached to the tweet.

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No one would describe Jenkin as having a galaxy brain so if he agrees with Cummings......
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Adam Schwarz
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Brandon Lewis confirms the Government will break international law on EU Withdrawal Deal:

"Yes, this does break international law in a very specific and limited way".
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RogerOThornhill wrote:
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Brandon Lewis confirms the Government will break international law on EU Withdrawal Deal:

"Yes, this does break international law in a very specific and limited way".
:lol:
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So other countries can break international law as well? In a "specific and limited way", of course.
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(((Dan Hodges)))
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Lot of people who have spent the summer defending the tearing down of statues, street disorder in the US and the blockading of printing presses suddenly seem exercised about the rule of law.
12:33 PM · Sep 8, 2020·Twitter Web App
Yes, yes, the very same people!

Taking down one statue which hardly anyone outside Bristol knew was even there is now equivalent to standing up in Parliament and telling the world that we intend to break international law.

Dearie me, what a fool.
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Fool is a very polite way of describing him Roger!
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I'd write Dan Hodges is displaying the maturity of a child with his ridiculous tweet but that's an insult to most children
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'why flouting international law is bad news for Boris Johnson'
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Wyoming, 85 at 11 am yesterday, this today...
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Oh dear. Here comes the front from hell.
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Beau !

Selling off NHS assets --

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Oh dear...

Ex-G4S executives charged with defrauding UK government

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The men charged were all directors of G4S’s care and justice services division, which ran an electronic monitoring contract with the Ministry of Justice for tagging and tracking offenders. They were: Richard Morris, former managing director of the unit; Mark Preston, former commercial director of the electronic monitoring business; and James Jardine, former finance manager and acting commercial director of the electronic monitoring business.
There really is no justification for outsourcing something where it's as simple as one person doing something which could be done as easily working directly in the public sector.
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citizenJA wrote:'why flouting international law is bad news for Boris Johnson'
There does actually seem to be some Tory pushback against what has happened today.

So yes, it could yet (non-ironically) be.
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...the number of deaths registered was 9.6% above the five-year average (791 deaths higher); this is the third consecutive week that weekly deaths have been above the five-year average, however, the rise was not driven by the coronavirus (COVID-19).

The number of deaths in hospitals was below the five-year average in Week 35, while the number of deaths in private homes, care homes and other locations was above the five-year average.
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The number of deaths involving COVID-19 decreased across the majority of the English regions, however all regions had higher overall deaths than the five-year average.

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
citizenJA wrote:'why flouting international law is bad news for Boris Johnson'
There does actually seem to be some Tory pushback against what has happened today.

So yes, it could yet (non-ironically) be.
Good.
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RogerOThornhill wrote:
(((Dan Hodges)))
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Lot of people who have spent the summer defending the tearing down of statues, street disorder in the US and the blockading of printing presses suddenly seem exercised about the rule of law.
12:33 PM · Sep 8, 2020·Twitter Web App
Yes, yes, the very same people!

Taking down one statue which hardly anyone outside Bristol knew was even there is now equivalent to standing up in Parliament and telling the world that we intend to break international law.

Dearie me, what a fool.
Anyway, the line from many re even the Colston statue was "whilst we can't condone what happened, we understand it".
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ruthless comments from Starmer today
I'm pleased
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cocktail time, Constance
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mince pies are in the shop
best news I've had all day
everyone help themselves
we're going to need the calories, I think
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citizenJA wrote:ruthless comments from Starmer today
I'm pleased
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"He IsN't OpPoSiNg ThE gOvErNmEnT", though!
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
citizenJA wrote:ruthless comments from Starmer today
I'm pleased
https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-sta ... l-12066726" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"He IsN't OpPoSiNg ThE gOvErNmEnT", though!
Indeed he should have so flayed them with his rhetoric that squads of Tories crossed the floor and johnson disappeared into a private hospital ... magical stuff. ;) ;) ;)
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But in the event of no deal, the government would not escape all state aid regulation. The UK would remain bound by World Trade Organization anti-subsidy rules, meaning the EU could impose tariffs on British goods if it believed UK subsidies were harming European industry.

Even the government’s “Australia-style” agreement (in reality, no deal) comes with state-aid strings attached.
I do wish the press would stop this Australia rubbish, I far prefer Mauritania ! Oh and the UK could have been giving more state-aid all along --
But there are many exemptions. In recent years, the EU has relaxed state aid thresholds for “innovation clusters”, broadband, culture and heritage, small and medium-sized companies and local infrastructure. During the coronavirus outbreak and 2008 financial crisis, EU state aid rules were eased to allow emergency bailouts and job-protection subsidies.

As an EU member state, the British government took little advantage of flexibilities: in 2018, the UK spent 0.38% of GDP on state aid, compared with 0.79% in France, 1.45% in Germany and 1.55% in Denmark.
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Laura Kuenssberg
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Former Chancellor objects to Govt using his actions as evidence for why it’s ok to break international law... quite a day
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Govt going into this knowing it will provoke outrage - they won’t be surprised that their critics + enemies are surprised
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But plenty on their own side won’t be willing to brush aside the fact they are willing to breach international law, admitting as much in the Commons, however many shades of legal opinion there are (again, let’s remember still the actual text of the bill is not public)
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"critics + enemies"
"many shades of legal opinion"

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In this case 'shades of legal opinion' seem to be in rather short supply, it's an open and shut case m'lud.

Laura K scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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A second senior law officer - the director general of the attorney general's office - has resigned today. The government claim it was part of a planned restructuring.
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gilsey wrote:In this case 'shades of legal opinion' seem to be in rather short supply, it's an open and shut case m'lud.

Laura K scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Yep.
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Well she no doubt considers Suella "cultural Marxism" Braverman as a significant balance to all the legal opinion on the other side of this?
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adam wrote:A second senior law officer - the director general of the attorney general's office - has resigned today. The government claim it was part of a planned restructuring.
it's frightening
government isn't trustworthy
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I love you, everyone.
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Couldn't stand the woman but...
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I have literally spent the past 18 months working on a book on how, in subtle and insidious ways, Britain has undermined international norms and laws and then it just goes and does it blatantly.

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There are some cynics that are suggesting that the sudden change to rules around social gatherings are to switch attention away from the admittance that they are breaking international law.

As for myself, I can't believe that this government would do such a thing...
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