Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Wednesday 14th October 2020
Morning all.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 1602622755" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Tiny bit of payback. If Cummings hadn't broken lockdown they'd still be getting away with it.Dominic Cummings and family ‘avoid huge council tax bill on Durham properties’
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I wonder
1. How many members of the planning committee already knew about it, would be very surprised if the answer was 0, and
2. If the Valuation Office will explain why no backdating.
One law for them etc.
1. How many members of the planning committee already knew about it, would be very surprised if the answer was 0, and
2. If the Valuation Office will explain why no backdating.
One law for them etc.
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Not sure I buy the Band A and Band C either.
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Anybody any clearer about anything on the government's virus response than they were yesterday?
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?!gilsey wrote:Not sure I buy the Band A and Band C either.
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No.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Anybody any clearer about anything on the government's virus response than they were yesterday?
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Good afternoon, everyone.
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Thought not, just checkingcitizenJA wrote:No.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Anybody any clearer about anything on the government's virus response than they were yesterday?
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Less is better than more. Later is better than sooner. Nothing is better than something. It's all your fault.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Thought not, just checkingcitizenJA wrote:No.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Anybody any clearer about anything on the government's virus response than they were yesterday?
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Band A's the cheapest, but this place is out in the sticks so pretty desirable, you'd think.citizenJA wrote:?!gilsey wrote:Not sure I buy the Band A and Band C either.
?! is about right.
There must be people who knew these places had been built without planning permission, usually if they find out they make you knock them down again. I know there's a time limit, 6 years maybe, but from the photos it's next to the road so not exactly hidden away.
Remember this?
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Starmer on very good form last night, and again at PMQs today.
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The replies are great, if you didn't laugh etc.
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NEW: Govt to install portaloos for drivers on Kent roads in case of Brexit congestion
Transport min Rachel MacLean: "we have detailed plans that we've worked up for provision of not only portaloos but other facilities for drivers"
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What sort of "other facilities"? How much road space will be left?
I won't go into the health and hygiene risks that this (Serco?) portaloo thing poses, as I'm sure you've all already thought of them.
I won't go into the health and hygiene risks that this (Serco?) portaloo thing poses, as I'm sure you've all already thought of them.
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Wales to put into law (by the end of this week) a ban on people from English Tier2 and Tier3 areas entering Wales (Sky TV news).
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Interesting responses to the Mayor of Liverpool Joe Anderson's tweet about the scenes in his city last night.
https://twitter.com/mayor_anderson/stat ... 5641376768
https://twitter.com/kieranmolyneux/stat ... 3206609925
A question many of us in similarly affected cities would like answered.
https://twitter.com/mayor_anderson/stat ... 5641376768
Followed by multiple responses pointing out those in the pictures and videos are students and asking why they haven't been sent home.These pictures Shame our City, attacking our brave Police Officers is unacceptable. Our Health Service is creaking, 300 in Hospital & 30 people dead in week Face screaming in fear ignoring these facts is why we are in Tier 3 measures.
https://twitter.com/kieranmolyneux/stat ... 3206609925
Most of the responses aren't blaming the students but asking what the hell they're still doing there when they're a danger to themselves and everyone else in the city.I walked home through town from the studio last night and the bars and restaurants were deserted apart from the student hotspots. Don’t start blaming this city, making out this is our fault when thousands of students have been enrolled here for university life when it’s not safe
A question many of us in similarly affected cities would like answered.
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Universities are now predominantly engines for making money rather than places of education (that now comes a poor second). That, I think, goes a long way to answering the question.
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(cJA edit)Sky'sGoneOut wrote:---
Most of the responses aren't blaming the students but asking what the hell they're still doing there when they're a danger to themselves and everyone else in the city.
A question many of us in similarly affected cities would like answered.
Good analysis of the situation
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Yes, he's good.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Starmer on very good form last night, and again at PMQs today.
I'm astonished by official Tory responses, it's totally inappropriate given current affairs.
I've sent out a message asking anyone with influence in government to listen to the advice they've been given by their own SAGE unit and enact safety precautions with haste making sure everyone has what they need to survive. That shouldn't be controversial.
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I understand this better now.PorFavor wrote:Universities are now predominantly engines for making money rather than places of education (that now comes a poor second). That, I think, goes a long way to answering the question.
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We've got a new Coronavirus interactive map today from gov.uk.
https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk ... active-map
And guess what? It's junk.
The colours representing infection rates are clearly wrong, for example 0-10 is supposed to be yellow and I can't see any yellow anywhere on the map. The 'Case rate compared to national average' indicator (blue good/red bad) has obviously been set to work the wrong way round. There are huge areas of missing data and on top of that it keeps crashing altogether.
I'm guessing one of Cummings mates produced it for about £10 million.
https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk ... active-map
And guess what? It's junk.
The colours representing infection rates are clearly wrong, for example 0-10 is supposed to be yellow and I can't see any yellow anywhere on the map. The 'Case rate compared to national average' indicator (blue good/red bad) has obviously been set to work the wrong way round. There are huge areas of missing data and on top of that it keeps crashing altogether.
I'm guessing one of Cummings mates produced it for about £10 million.
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Deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate"...the dashboard says there have been at least 57,690 deaths where coronavirus was mentioned on the death certificate."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... c87240255a" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Weekly number of deaths where COVID-19 is mentioned as a cause on the death certificate, registered during the week ending Friday, 2 October 2020.
Weekly
343
Total
57,690
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I haven't been able to extract meaningful information out of that interactive map either.Sky'sGoneOut wrote:We've got a new Coronavirus interactive map today from gov.uk.
https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk ... active-map
And guess what? It's junk.
The colours representing infection rates are clearly wrong, for example 0-10 is supposed to be yellow and I can't see any yellow anywhere on the map. The 'Case rate compared to national average' indicator (blue good/red bad) has obviously been set to work the wrong way round. There are huge areas of missing data and on top of that it keeps crashing altogether.
I'm guessing one of Cummings mates produced it for about £10 million.
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have they called you yet, PorFavor? To fix it?
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Sky TV news is presently doing an an article on how much the Government is spending on Test and Trace private consultants. The daily rates for some of them are the (eyewatering, as the Sky correspondent describes them) equivalent to £1m per annum. Some of them have connections to Dido Harding. Apparently, the Government would prefer us not to know any of this.
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Plus city councils and mayors have to think of all the businesses that rely on students for their income. I think Leeds has a student population of nearly 40,000, the city's 'night time economy' would collapse without them along with countless cafes, venues, shops, etc.PorFavor wrote:Universities are now predominantly engines for making money rather than places of education (that now comes a poor second). That, I think, goes a long way to answering the question.
So either the students are sent home and those businesses are compensated (because they're perfectly viable under normal circumstances) or the current situation is allowed to drag on until hospitals are full and we end up inevitably having another national lockdown which would cost even more.
It's false economy on a grand scale.
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https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/206573/ ... ions-with/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;England, Wales and Scotland among worst countries for excess deaths during pandemic, report says
An international study led by academics from Imperial College London has concluded that, out of 21 industrialised countries, England, Wales and Scotland had among the highest rates of excess deaths between February and May, during the first wave of the pandemic.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... 22e43fad4e" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Johnson and his party don't care.
I take no pleasure knowing that's true.
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I've re-read Ethan Frome. I should've taken up adam's book club suggestion and read the more cheerful Heart of Darkness instead.
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Yes. "GIGO," I said.citizenJA wrote:have they called you yet, PorFavor? To fix it?
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Indeed. Many's the time I've had a good chortle over Heart of Darkness!citizenJA wrote:I've re-read Ethan Frome. I should've taken up adam's book club suggestion and read the more cheerful Heart of Darkness instead.
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(Last I heard, they were trying to fix it by inserting a leg of lamb.)PorFavor wrote:Yes. "GIGO," I said.citizenJA wrote:have they called you yet, PorFavor? To fix it?
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Edith Wharton's tragic yarns
her ghost stories are good too
Find a copy of her short story, "All Souls'", before the end of October
her ghost stories are good too
Find a copy of her short story, "All Souls'", before the end of October
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I know she brought in her mate Alex Birtles from TalkTalk as an advisor.PorFavor wrote:Some of them have connections to Dido Harding.
This she -
https://twitter.com/alexbirtles?lang=en
Seems harmless but she was head of the PR operation that smeared those with security concerns (including ex-staff who'd resigned in protest) before trying to cover up then downplay the massive data leak.
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compared to Starkfield, Massachusetts (where all the Frome's are buried), Heart of Darkness is a frolicPorFavor wrote:Indeed. Many's the time I've had a good chortle over Heart of Darkness!citizenJA wrote:I've re-read Ethan Frome. I should've taken up adam's book club suggestion and read the more cheerful Heart of Darkness instead.
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they'll try doing it cheap and neglect the mint saucePorFavor wrote:(Last I heard, they were trying to fix it by inserting a leg of lamb.)PorFavor wrote:Yes. "GIGO," I said.citizenJA wrote:have they called you yet, PorFavor? To fix it?
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People, we're in trouble.The UK has recorded 19,724 new coronavirus cases - a new daily record and an increase of almost 2,500 (or 14%) on the figure for yesterday.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... 6165ffc2b1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Starmer reminds me of Al Gore a little bit.
Solid, boring, competent, trustworthy, rather wooden, probably Superman beneath their suits
Solid, boring, competent, trustworthy, rather wooden, probably Superman beneath their suits
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Magnitude, demographics and dynamics of the effect of the first wave of the COVID-19 pandemic on all-cause mortality in 21 industrialized countries
From mid-February through May 2020, 206,000 (95% credible interval, 178,100–231,000) more people died in these countries than would have had the pandemic not occurred. The number of excess deaths, excess deaths per 100,000 people and relative increase in deaths were similar between men and women in most countries.
England and Wales and Spain experienced the largest effect: ~100 excess deaths per 100,000 people, equivalent to a 37% (30–44%) relative increase in England and Wales and 38% (31–45%) in Spain.
Bulgaria, New Zealand, Slovakia, Australia, Czechia, Hungary, Poland, Norway, Denmark and Finland experienced mortality changes that ranged from possible small declines to increases of 5% or less in either sex.
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Of course, Gore has become a bit more "interesting" since his agonisingly close 2000 failure.citizenJA wrote:Starmer reminds me of Al Gore a little bit.
Solid, boring, competent, trustworthy, rather wooden, probably Superman beneath their suits
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How come France gets a competent leader capable of decisive word and action?Coronavirus live news: France declares public health state of emergency as president addresses the nation
Why can't we have one?
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oops. I neglected to look at more current events before posting reminisces of another political eraAnatolyKasparov wrote:Of course, Gore has become a bit more "interesting" since his agonisingly close 2000 failure.citizenJA wrote:Starmer reminds me of Al Gore a little bit.
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I hope you don't mind me having another go at your link PF.
https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/ ... 0704594952
Coronavirus: Test and Trace consultants paid equivalent of £1.5m salary
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... y-12104028
https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/ ... 0704594952
UK govt is paying management consultants the equivalent of million and a half pound salaries to work on Test & Trace.
I’ve seen documents showing senior staff from Boston Consulting Group are being paid day rates of around £7k, equivalent to £1.5m on an annual basis.
And here's the story on Sky.The docs show some BCG consultants charging day rates of £7,360. They’ve given govt a “COVID discount” of 10-15%. That works out at £6.6k a day - equivalent to £1.5m a year. In a single week govt is paying these senior consultants more than they pay an experienced nurse in a year
Coronavirus: Test and Trace consultants paid equivalent of £1.5m salary
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... y-12104028
Labour MP Toby Perkins raised the matter during a House of Commons debate on contact-tracing on Wednesday afternoon.
Referring to his previous career in the sales industry, Mr Perkins also told MPs: "I never came across a customer nearly as naive as what we have with the government."
"I just wish that at some point in my life I could have come across a customer with as much money as the government has, as willing to be so easily impressed as this government is, and as willing to give it to people and then defend the people who let them down as a supplier," he added.
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That's a great improvement. All help gratefully received. Thank you.
That's a great improvement. All help gratefully received. Thank you.
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Yay Scotland won and England lost so at least I've got something to smile about
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I wish someone would pay me 7 grand a day to have a marginal impact.
That's more in a day than my ESA pays for a whole year.
And for what?
What tangible results have we seen for this money? Because I've noticed when trying to defend the test and trace system these days even Hancock barely tries to make out that it's any good, he just blathers on about how quickly it was set up and how big it is.
So what? Give us £12 billion and I'm pretty confident that as a group we could quickly produce a bloated system that didn't work while skimming off millions of quid for ourselves and giving jobs to our mates.
That's more in a day than my ESA pays for a whole year.
And for what?
What tangible results have we seen for this money? Because I've noticed when trying to defend the test and trace system these days even Hancock barely tries to make out that it's any good, he just blathers on about how quickly it was set up and how big it is.
So what? Give us £12 billion and I'm pretty confident that as a group we could quickly produce a bloated system that didn't work while skimming off millions of quid for ourselves and giving jobs to our mates.
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'And for what?'Sky'sGoneOut wrote:I wish someone would pay me 7 grand a day to have a marginal impact.
That's more in a day than my ESA pays for a whole year.
And for what?
What tangible results have we seen for this money? Because I've noticed when trying to defend the test and trace system these days even Hancock barely tries to make out that it's any good, he just blathers on about how quickly it was set up and how big it is.
So what? Give us £12 billion and I'm pretty confident that as a group we could quickly produce a bloated system that didn't work while skimming off millions of quid for ourselves and giving jobs to our mates.
Same echoing in my head
All that remuneration and they not even good at it
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I love you, everyone.
I'll be back tomorrow.
Goodnight.
cJA
I'll be back tomorrow.
Goodnight.
cJA
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Night night.
Night night.