Thanks Ohso for soldiering on!ohsocynical wrote:And just imagine. Your family might be fit as fleas all year, but you still have to pay your £14,520 because your neighbour might be having a really big operation on his insurance, and someone has to pay for it.
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OK. So, no reverses, Bleasdale Variant on mains and Northern only when doubled, correct?RobertSnozers wrote:It's less than 100 days to the election so I assumed we were playing Westminster Village rulesErnstRemarx wrote:Are we allowing diagonals? Really?RobertSnozers wrote: Swiss Cottage
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But have you noticed the Tories don't seem to take a blind bit of notice of her? Just carry on as usual.AngryAsWell wrote:We need some order...
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Gross Domestic Product Preliminary Estimate, Q4 2014
This product is designated as National Statistics
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Released: 27 January 2015 Download PDF
I've posted the information above in order to clarify (I hope) what it means when economists, journalists, politicians talk of the UK's 'Service Sector'. It's helped me.
This product is designated as National Statistics
Part of Gross Domestic Product: Preliminary Estimate, Q4 2014 Release
Released: 27 January 2015 Download PDF
Architectural & engineering activities are in business services & finance category, eh? What the hell?Distribution, hotels & restaurants
...Retail made the largest positive contribution to the increase
Transport, storage & communication
Computer programming, consultancy & related activities made the largest contribution to the increase
Business services & finance
Architectural & engineering activities made the largest positive contribution to the increase
Government & other services
...showed no growth..largest positive contribution came from human health activities
...the largest negative contribution came from libraries, archives, museums & other cultural activities
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/gva/gross ... y-Analysis
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Oh just spotted a wicked move via Peter Tatchell to Glenda Jackson and so.....letsskiptotheleft wrote:Simon Hughes!
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It somehow makes the game and the 'rules' seem even more apt - doesn't it just! We have a Mornington Crescent Shambles government.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Thanks Ohso for soldiering on!ohsocynical wrote:And just imagine. Your family might be fit as fleas all year, but you still have to pay your £14,520 because your neighbour might be having a really big operation on his insurance, and someone has to pay for it.
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I'm pushed into a corner now and have to play
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Very very truerebeccariots2 wrote:It somehow makes the game and the 'rules' seem even more apt - doesn't it just! We have a Mornington Crescent Shambles government.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Thanks Ohso for soldiering on!ohsocynical wrote:And just imagine. Your family might be fit as fleas all year, but you still have to pay your £14,520 because your neighbour might be having a really big operation on his insurance, and someone has to pay for it.
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I'm sat here waiting for bedtimePaulfromYorkshire wrote:Thanks Ohso for soldiering on!ohsocynical wrote:And just imagine. Your family might be fit as fleas all year, but you still have to pay your £14,520 because your neighbour might be having a really big operation on his insurance, and someone has to pay for it.
It amazes me that people warn about the US insurance system, which is what we'll end up with, it won't be European that's for sure, but you never hear figures quoted.
Imagine a bloke on a fairly good salary having to find a sum like that. It would make a bloody great hole in the housekeeping. And then you go and get cancer, a serious illness, or have a horrific accident. The piddling sum you pay won't cover that, so you sell your house and you still owe money.
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And a quick sashay to ... Liam Fox / Werrity.
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Dan F Hodges !PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Oh just spotted a wicked move via Peter Tatchell to Glenda Jackson and so.....letsskiptotheleft wrote:Simon Hughes!
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That does, of course, mean I can double up with Michael Green.TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Ah, then I play ..... Sebastian Fox
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You have breached the tribalism parameters there ...AngryAsWell wrote:Dan F Hodges !PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Oh just spotted a wicked move via Peter Tatchell to Glenda Jackson and so.....letsskiptotheleft wrote:Simon Hughes!
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Jeremy CuntAngryAsWell wrote:Dan F Hodges !PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Oh just spotted a wicked move via Peter Tatchell to Glenda Jackson and so.....letsskiptotheleft wrote:Simon Hughes!
The straight choice!
Which leaves a sideways move to his deputy Alan Milburn-Cunt open, which is a high points move but runs the risk of leaving the player Blaired.
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We never did really get to the bottom of that one did we. I still reckon there's more than a hint of familial resemblance between those tworebeccariots2 wrote:And a quick sashay to ... Liam Fox / Werrity.
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Ooooo no, that's too risky for me....TechnicalEphemera wrote:Jeremy CuntAngryAsWell wrote:Dan F Hodges !PaulfromYorkshire wrote: Oh just spotted a wicked move via Peter Tatchell to Glenda Jackson and so.....
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It had to be said.letsskiptotheleft wrote:David Miliband.AngryAsWell wrote:Dan F Hodges !PaulfromYorkshire wrote: Oh just spotted a wicked move via Peter Tatchell to Glenda Jackson and so.....
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Well played!TechnicalEphemera wrote:Jeremy CuntAngryAsWell wrote:Dan F Hodges !PaulfromYorkshire wrote: Oh just spotted a wicked move via Peter Tatchell to Glenda Jackson and so.....
Which leaves a sideways move to his deputy Alan Milburn-Cunt open, which is a high points move but runs the risk of leaving the player Blaired.
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Ohso interlude ...
Has there been some kind of announcement today re further wildlife protections?Iain McKenzie MP retweeted
David McKenzie @DavidXMcKenzie 6m6 minutes ago
Glad to see @Foxinparliament supporting Labour in banning blood sports and protecting animals! We need more lobbyist's like these
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I looked to see whether the Mail or Telegraph covered that select committee report on academies and free schools.
Mail.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/art ... emies.html
So, only reposted a PA report on it and...
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Telegraph?
Nothing. Didn't even bother with a post on it.
So Gove's main policy which cost a bloody fortune gets a kicking and the two right wing papers who are his cheerleaders all but ignore it.
Mail.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/art ... emies.html
So, only reposted a PA report on it and...
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Nothing. Didn't even bother with a post on it.
So Gove's main policy which cost a bloody fortune gets a kicking and the two right wing papers who are his cheerleaders all but ignore it.
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Think he might just be referring to the pagerebeccariots2 wrote:Ohso interlude ...
Has there been some kind of announcement today re further wildlife protections?Iain McKenzie MP retweeted
David McKenzie @DavidXMcKenzie 6m6 minutes ago
Glad to see @Foxinparliament supporting Labour in banning blood sports and protecting animals! We need more lobbyist's like these
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Do you remember those picture books that used to be available for young children, where the pages were split so you could have the head of one character, body of another and the legs of a third? The Shapps/Green/Fox version would be sooo cheap to produce, although a wig might be needed for Corrine Stockheath.refitman wrote:That does, of course, mean I can double up with Michael Green.TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Ah, then I play ..... Sebastian Fox
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This isn't just a Patrick Wintour downer ... it's something the Citizens Income Trust have come up with .... and the Greens and they are trying to work through.Green party’s flagship economic policy would hit poorest hardest, say experts
Citizen’s income – an unconditional income for every individual – would not work as hoped unless means-tested, say researchers
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -hits-poor
So that piece I linked to earlier which in turn linked to the CIT booklet .... seems to be already out of date.The Citizen’s Income Trust (CIT), which has given advice to the Green party and been repeatedly cited by the Greens, has modelled its scheme and discovered it would mean 35.15% of households would be losers, with many of the biggest losers among the poorest households.
The trust’s research shows that for the two lowest disposable income deciles, more than one-fifth would suffer income losses of more than 10%, something one of the most leftwing parties in the election is unlikely to want to advocate.
Malcolm Torry, director of the CIT, a small charitable research body, said: “I am not sure the Green party has yet taken on our new research or the need to retain a means-tested element. We have only just published the new work.”
The criticisms of the scheme, as well as doubts about costings, have led the Greens to make a tactical retreat, with the party’s leader, Natalie Bennett, saying detailed costings for the policy will not be available in the manifesto in March.
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Thank you, just snorted orange fanta through my nose laughing at that.TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Do you remember those picture books that used to be available for young children, where the pages were split so you could have the head of one character, body of another and the legs of a third? The Shapps/Green/Fox version would be sooo cheap to produce, although a wig might be needed for Corrine Stockheath.refitman wrote:That does, of course, mean I can double up with Michael Green.TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Ah, then I play ..... Sebastian Fox
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Genius.TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Do you remember those picture books that used to be available for young children, where the pages were split so you could have the head of one character, body of another and the legs of a third? The Shapps/Green/Fox version would be sooo cheap to produce, although a wig might be needed for Corrine Stockheath.refitman wrote:That does, of course, mean I can double up with Michael Green.TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Ah, then I play ..... Sebastian Fox
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But anyway all getting a bit too dull.
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Evening everyone.AngryAsWell wrote:Wow, just wow.NonOxCol wrote:Good afternoon. You may or may not know that, since late 2013, most of my online activity has centred on cricket rather than politics.
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That's a man on £700k per year, who plays for a team now sponsored by Waitrose, exclusively on a channel that costs about £46 per month.
(Any media coverage you see will be slanted to ensure that readers are aware he was having a very clumsy pop at Kevin Pietersen. However, the lack of awareness that leads to someone tweeting that, with those hashtags, is truly staggering)
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Congratulations Ohsoohsocynical wrote:Wedding anniversary today...53 years.
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Ooh it certainly does seem to have disappeared!daydreamer wrote:Evening everyone.AngryAsWell wrote:Wow, just wow.NonOxCol wrote:Good afternoon. You may or may not know that, since late 2013, most of my online activity has centred on cricket rather than politics.
This hasn't exactly been a positive move. But today, it allows me to share with you this quite special tweet:
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That's a man on £700k per year, who plays for a team now sponsored by Waitrose, exclusively on a channel that costs about £46 per month.
(Any media coverage you see will be slanted to ensure that readers are aware he was having a very clumsy pop at Kevin Pietersen. However, the lack of awareness that leads to someone tweeting that, with those hashtags, is truly staggering)
What did it say? What were the hashtags? The page has gone, did Broad delete it? I can't get FTN at work, so I've missed it.
If someone would be kind enough to give me some idea it would be appreciated.
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His tweet said:daydreamer wrote:Evening everyone.AngryAsWell wrote:Wow, just wow.NonOxCol wrote:Good afternoon. You may or may not know that, since late 2013, most of my online activity has centred on cricket rather than politics.
This hasn't exactly been a positive move. But today, it allows me to share with you this quite special tweet:
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That's a man on £700k per year, who plays for a team now sponsored by Waitrose, exclusively on a channel that costs about £46 per month.
(Any media coverage you see will be slanted to ensure that readers are aware he was having a very clumsy pop at Kevin Pietersen. However, the lack of awareness that leads to someone tweeting that, with those hashtags, is truly staggering)
What did it say? What were the hashtags? The page has gone, did Broad delete it? I can't get FTN at work, so I've missed it.
If someone would be kind enough to give me some idea it would be appreciated.
The Graun has an article about it.“I’ve heard if you earn minimum wage in England you’re in the top 10% earners in the world. #stay #humble,”
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/j ... and-humble" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Try #stay #humble
and imagine a mega-wealthy former sportsperson saying it!
and imagine a mega-wealthy former sportsperson saying it!
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Snap refitman - and the Heil have an article on it too, but I'm to going to link it
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I really hope that Kizbot visits again. I always loved her posts on Waddya, and her recipes are to die for!!citizenJA wrote:I do hope Kizbot hasn't gone.
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Try #stay #humble
and imagine a mega-wealthy former sportsperson saying it!
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/j ... and-humbleBroad later apologised for his comments, tweeting: “Clarifying my earlier tweet, I merely wanted to emphasise my amazement at just how big the world is. No offence meant and sorry if any taken. The hashtag was aimed at myself.”
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So those SNP MPs, who want a moratorium on fracking then...
What's this from before the referendum?
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I guess it's different if iScotland or the UK get the revenue. Or perhaps some devastating new info has come in since the referendum.There is a clear contrast between Westminster’s “gung-ho” approach to Fracking, and the evidence-based, consensual approach being pursued by the Scottish Government, the SNP said today.
Westminster today announced fracking licenses for vast swathes of the central belt – but failed to consult the Scottish Government.
Meanwhile, the Scottish Government has welcomed the independent Expert Scientific Panel on Unconventional Oil and Gas’s new report published today, which calls for a more careful consideration of the regulatory regime.
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Following on from the G article on the latest research from Citizens Income Trust showing that poor households could lose out significantly from a citizens income as proposed by the Green party ....
the CIT website has an article by the researcher detailing the problems and what might solve them - http://www.citizensincome.org/resources ... r20151.htm
couple of salient quotes:
the CIT website has an article by the researcher detailing the problems and what might solve them - http://www.citizensincome.org/resources ... r20151.htm
couple of salient quotes:
The important results, extracted by comparing columns in the output files for the current benefits system and the Citizen's Income scheme, [23] are that for the lowest disposable income decile, over one fifth of households suffer losses of over 10%, and that for the second lowest disposable income decile the same is true.
By interrogating the results sheets for individuals generated by the programme, it is possible to identify the source of most of these substantial losses among households with low disposable incomes: In the scheme, low earners have their Personal Tax Allowance replaced by a Citizen's Income, but not their Working Tax Credits. To increase the working age adult Citizen's Income so that it would compensate for the loss of Working Tax Credits as well as for the loss of the Personal Tax Allowance would be far too expensive, as the increase in Citizen's Income would apply to every working age adult and not just to Tax Credit recipients.
It is a pity that such a large number of households with low disposable incomes suffer such large losses on the implementation of what otherwise looks like a useful and revenue neutral scheme: but unfortunately with that number of large losses the scheme would be impossible for a government to implement, and we ought to look for an alternative.
But sadly that means the citizens income loses its simplicity and savings through far less administration selling points. Hmmmm.Another option: 'alternative 1'
As we have seen, the major generators of large losses among households with low disposable incomes are the combined value of Working Tax Credits and the Personal Tax Allowance, and the difficulties encountered when a complex system of means-tested and contributory benefits is replaced by a simple Citizen's Income.
It might therefore be worth proposing a method of implementing a Citizen's Income that circumvents these problems. What is not an option is to tamper with the Citizen's Income itself. Its value can be reduced, but it must remain an unconditional and nonwithdrawable income for every individual. If it does not do so then it will not deliver the advantages of social cohesion, simplicity, transparency, zero marginal deduction rate, lower total marginal deduction rates, reduced error and fraud rates, loss of stigma, etc.
So my proposal is that a Citizen's Income should be paid, that the Personal Tax Allowance should be abolished (which means that thresholds for taxable income have to be adjusted as all earned income will have become taxable), and that the Citizen's Income should be taken into account in the calculation of all existing means-tested benefits (including Tax Credits). This suggests that the Basic State Pension will be retained, so the Citizen's Income rate for those over the state retirement age should be £30 per week. (The new Single Tier State Pension will make this payment unnecessary.). Child Benefit will be retained and Child Citizen's Income should be paid at £20 p.w.. The adult Citizen's Income rate should remain at £71: the 2012-13 Income Support rate. Again, National Insurance Contributions will be paid at 12% on all earned income. All existing benefits are left in place, and the Citizen's Incomes are added to the means taken into account when means-tested benefits are calculated.
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