Tuesday 27th January 2015
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I do seriously wonder what / where our so call left press are coming from
Zoe Williams @zoesqwilliams · 33s33 seconds ago
Mean to retweet them, but those Labour tips on how to deal with the Green party make it around 10% less possible ever to vote labour again
Zoe Williams @zoesqwilliams · 33s33 seconds ago
Mean to retweet them, but those Labour tips on how to deal with the Green party make it around 10% less possible ever to vote labour again
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I don't know, you lot. I leave the door wide open with thumper Prescott and nobody spots the opportunity.
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Zoe Williams can bite my shiny metal ass as well.AngryAsWell wrote:I do seriously wonder what / where our so call left press are coming from
Zoe Williams @zoesqwilliams · 33s33 seconds ago
Mean to retweet them, but those Labour tips on how to deal with the Green party make it around 10% less possible ever to vote labour again
Typical Guardian journo, nice and comfortable; doesn't give a toss if the Tories get in as long as she can make clever comments from the sidelines.
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I'd normally defend Zoe, she is about the only decent writer left there (Polly has turned into her own tribute act), but I'm at a loss to understand what she is driving at here.TechnicalEphemera wrote:Zoe Williams can bite my shiny metal ass as well.AngryAsWell wrote:I do seriously wonder what / where our so call left press are coming from
Zoe Williams @zoesqwilliams · 33s33 seconds ago
Mean to retweet them, but those Labour tips on how to deal with the Green party make it around 10% less possible ever to vote labour again
Typical Guardian journo, nice and comfortable; doesn't give a toss if the Tories get in as long as she can make clever comments from the sidelines.
Edit - Ah, now I get what she is driving at. Complains about petty point scoring, then leaps in with attacks on Labour, makes the usual "no policies" jibe and trotting out the Lucas distortions. AAW is doing her best but Zoe is being (as you suggest TE) the typical smug Guardian journo. Sad to see.
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Aha, who writes blogs for.....ohsocynical wrote:Norman Tebbit
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Who?ohsocynical wrote:Ernest Marples
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What a complete scoundrel! Wish I'd never heard of him.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Who?ohsocynical wrote:Ernest Marples
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Transport Minister. Served with Maggie for a timePaulfromYorkshire wrote:Who?ohsocynical wrote:Ernest Marples
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Whoo. I'd forgotten himRobertSnozers wrote:Lord Adonis
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Oh, and regional commissioners...
No doubt Toady will do an article about this and reference his own work saying that Labour stole the idea from Gove...no, I'm wrong...he'll simply ignore it.
so...just like Blunkett said then - not enough of them. And they need to oversee all schools.99. The RSC regions are too large as currently devised. We do not believe that an increase in staff numbers, as envisaged by the Secretary of State, would allow the RSC offices to be sufficiently in touch with local information, given the number of schools potentially involved. The number of Regional Schools Commissioners will need to increase from the current eight if they are to perform an effective oversight role for the academies in each region, and even more so if they are to be extended to cover maintained schools as well.
100.We recommend that the Government review and increase the number of schools commissioners.
No doubt Toady will do an article about this and reference his own work saying that Labour stole the idea from Gove...no, I'm wrong...he'll simply ignore it.
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Getting desperate now let's see if Lord Taylor of Warwick is a big enough hint, hang on a minute I take that back I have a better idea.RobertSnozers wrote:Lord Adonis
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Who?HindleA wrote:Leslie Hore-Belisha
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OK another transport minister, clue in the name I guessPaulfromYorkshire wrote:Who?HindleA wrote:Leslie Hore-Belisha
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You'll be telling me next the prototype was red and was called a Hore Beacon.HindleA wrote:Belisha Beacon
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Well spotted.RogerOThornhill wrote:Oh, and regional commissioners...
so...just like Blunkett said then - not enough of them. And they need to oversee all schools.99. The RSC regions are too large as currently devised. We do not believe that an increase in staff numbers, as envisaged by the Secretary of State, would allow the RSC offices to be sufficiently in touch with local information, given the number of schools potentially involved. The number of Regional Schools Commissioners will need to increase from the current eight if they are to perform an effective oversight role for the academies in each region, and even more so if they are to be extended to cover maintained schools as well.
100.We recommend that the Government review and increase the number of schools commissioners.
No doubt Toady will do an article about this and reference his own work saying that Labour stole the idea from Gove...no, I'm wrong...he'll simply ignore it.
Sad that so many on the left think differences like this don't matter and that anything short of recreating LA arrangement is a sell-out.
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That was my old geography teacher.HindleA wrote:Belisha Beacon
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Andy Burnham @andyburnhammp 15m15 minutes ago
READ > my full speech setting out Labour's 10-year plan to build a national health & care service > http://andyburnhammp.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... r.html?m=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
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More UKIP
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Isabel Hardman @IsabelHardman · 5h 5 hours ago
I understand 80 Tories plan to vote against plain packaging for cigarettes http://specc.ie/1H6jKtT" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Evening all, and hello kiz (I stil owe you a drink, don't I?).
Between working until 9.00pm and then speed reading nearly 300 posts, it may be a bit late to say this but my moment of extremely flabbered ghast today came early on when, to my utter stupefaction, Cameron claimed the General Election was a choice between a Government of Competence or the Chaos of Labour.
Competence? He claims his Government is competent? And his brain doesn't leap out of its casing a commit ritual hara-kiri in shame and embarrassment at such a claim? In a properly run Universe, the ground would have opened up and swallowed him. Maybe it wasn't such a good idea to give up the special effects of blasphemy?
Between working until 9.00pm and then speed reading nearly 300 posts, it may be a bit late to say this but my moment of extremely flabbered ghast today came early on when, to my utter stupefaction, Cameron claimed the General Election was a choice between a Government of Competence or the Chaos of Labour.
Competence? He claims his Government is competent? And his brain doesn't leap out of its casing a commit ritual hara-kiri in shame and embarrassment at such a claim? In a properly run Universe, the ground would have opened up and swallowed him. Maybe it wasn't such a good idea to give up the special effects of blasphemy?
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There's some really strong and welcome stuff in Burnham's speech - and I haven't got very far yet:
But a distinction will be drawn between not-for-profit and for-profit providers.
Given that voluntary organisations build volunteering capacity – which in turn builds the health of people and communities – we should give them the benefit of much longer and more stable arrangements, for instance for five or even ten years.
Private sector organisations, working as long-term partners, will have to accept NHS standards. So we will extend the Freedom of Information provisions to any provider of NHS services and consult on a new training levy so that all providers contribute to the costs of training clinical staff.
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It's radical but also thought through on the ground.
As NHS 111 contracts expire, we will look at ambulance services taking them on so that, in time, they could handle all 111 and 999 calls from the same call centres.
This will mean more experienced staff on the phones, and better classification of calls.
But just as with other parts of the NHS, we need to ask the ambulance service to work from a default presumption of treatment at home, not hospital – if clinically safe and appropriate.
To do this, paramedics will need to be able to call directly on a wider range of health professionals – GPs, OTs, physios, care assistants – who can settle and support people at home in out-of-hours times before handing over to local teams.
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Latest poll...Cons in lead again. Three in a row...now wait for the gloating....I'm off to bed!
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Night Ohsoohsocynical wrote:Latest poll...Cons in lead again. Three in a row...now wait for the gloating....I'm off to bed!
What I read in the polls is that voters prefer Labour policies to Tory ones but prefer Cameron to Miliband.
That's why Dave is so scared of the debates. If Miliband scored a hit on him, it could be game over.
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What a disgraceful interview of Andy Burnham by Kirsty Wark on Newsnight... all she did was talk at length, over and over again on the same point, which he had already answered. She was giving her own speeches not asking questions.
Sheeesh.
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Dr Éoin Clarke @LabourEoin 8m8 minutes ago
Brilliant from Andy Burnham just now. There's no space in NHS Budget for 8% profit margin from Private Profiteers. Simple as that #Newsnight
Chris Williamson @ChriswMP 2m2 minutes ago
Is Kirsty Wark being deliberately obtuse in her interview of @andyburnhammp on #newsnight? Great & passionate defence of our NHS by Andy
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Shocking stuff in this report too.
Kevan Jones MP @KevanJonesMP 7m7 minutes ago
Durham Free School a 'haven for bad teachers' MP tells hearing http://mirr.im/15Lfb6P" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Why I will not be jumping on the Green Party bandwagon.
https://theinterruptingsheep.wordpress. ... bandwagon/
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They've just opened up comments on this article ... I posted about it earlier when there was no comments facility.
Green party’s flagship economic policy would hit poorest hardest, say experts
Citizen’s income – an unconditional income for every individual – would not work as hoped unless means-tested, say researchers
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -hits-poor
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Here's the thing about succeeding electorally. The Tories do one thing very well. They gather their substantial, collective resources in a single action to make sure anyone able to vote Tory will do so. Single-minded, mobilised in one motion - not as many likely Tory voters as their are non-Tory voters but a Tory voter will vote; without fail. Without fail.
I've not seen the poll Ohso has seen. There's nothing that has happened to have negatively altered Labour support. But fear can be cultivated & Tories benefit from that. I'm gravely disappointed reading & hearing animosity between left-leaning parties. Only one party wins when people are frightened, stressed & without the consolation of a property portfolio. Tories do that one thing, mobilise whatever they have in order to hold onto power. Most people in this country aren't Tories & have little in common with the Tory party. Stay together. Don't let Tories win. Don't let Tories back into government.
I've not seen the poll Ohso has seen. There's nothing that has happened to have negatively altered Labour support. But fear can be cultivated & Tories benefit from that. I'm gravely disappointed reading & hearing animosity between left-leaning parties. Only one party wins when people are frightened, stressed & without the consolation of a property portfolio. Tories do that one thing, mobilise whatever they have in order to hold onto power. Most people in this country aren't Tories & have little in common with the Tory party. Stay together. Don't let Tories win. Don't let Tories back into government.
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Is this really the number one story for Times readers? Maybe the point is to get subject discussed on BBC paper reviews.
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Here's the debate from the HoC.rebeccariots2 wrote:Shocking stuff in this report too.
Kevan Jones MP @KevanJonesMP 7m7 minutes ago
Durham Free School a 'haven for bad teachers' MP tells hearing http://mirr.im/15Lfb6P" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.parliament.uk/business/publi ... known/841/
Why write to an MP whose constituency is hundreds of miles away?Sir Gerald Howarth (Aldershot) (Con):
I am most grateful to the hon. Lady for her courtesy in giving way again. The chairman of the governors has written to a number of us, including me, to say that they feel that the Ofsted report was grossly unfair. One of the things Ofsted said in that report was that
Unless of course you want a right wing Tory who is going to believe anything you say...
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Ha ha.
And one with no expertise on Education issues at all.
And one with no expertise on Education issues at all.
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Andy Burnham's speech moved me. I'm happy with him as Health Secretary.
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Replying to an academic arguing Perm Secs need 5 years, I suggested Chris Wormald could usefully be turned over a bit quicker.
He rather indiscreetly retweeted me.
He rather indiscreetly retweeted me.
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Ha!Tubby Isaacs wrote:Replying to an academic arguing Perm Secs need 5 years, I suggested Chris Wormald could usefully be turned over a bit quicker.
He rather indiscreetly retweeted me.
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Enjoyed the CI advocacy on here but on current evidence, they're ahead of where the Greens are on it.rebeccariots2 wrote:They've just opened up comments on this article ... I posted about it earlier when there was no comments facility.
Green party’s flagship economic policy would hit poorest hardest, say experts
Citizen’s income – an unconditional income for every individual – would not work as hoped unless means-tested, say researchers
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -hits-poor
I suppose you get this sort of thing when members get such a say. Easy for policy to become a collection of hobby horses.
Heck of a let off for Labour, unless they can firm it up.
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See, the thing is, Alan Milburn, you're former - you hear me? A 'leading former' something or other...you're done now. Get out of the way.
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I think I feel hopeful! Not that the newspaper headlines would be any help to Labour, thanks to Milburn and corebeccariots2 wrote:Andy Burnham @andyburnhammp 15m15 minutes ago
READ > my full speech setting out Labour's 10-year plan to build a national health & care service > http://andyburnhammp.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... r.html?m=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
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More from the report...
1. Academy conversion was supposed to be giving 'freedoms'd to schools to get away from LAs. But a DfE spokesman said that it was to give good and outstanding schools a reward.
2. Morgan said that academy trusts weren't the same as LAs because they "are not school improvement services"...in which case what are they there for?
3. Free schools used to be for innovation and now they're partly there for fulfilling basic need which is what "new academies" were supposed to be for. I know I've said it before but it makes no sense whatsoever for Harris to be opening schools called free schools as well as others called academies.
I make that three changes to what academies and free schools were said to be for and what they are now.188. Free schools are a flagship policy of the Government, designed to allow experimentation, but it appears that the policy has been altered so that these schools are also intended to meet basic need for places. The DfE needs to be clear and transparent about how the competition for free school funding is decided and the relative weight it gives to each of innovation, basic need, deprivation and parental demand, and to publish the number and type of applications it receives, from whom and the criteria it uses to make decisions on applications. We also recommend that the Government examine
carefully any applications for free schools in areas where there are surplus places and a large proportion of existing schools which are good or outstanding.
1. Academy conversion was supposed to be giving 'freedoms'd to schools to get away from LAs. But a DfE spokesman said that it was to give good and outstanding schools a reward.
2. Morgan said that academy trusts weren't the same as LAs because they "are not school improvement services"...in which case what are they there for?
3. Free schools used to be for innovation and now they're partly there for fulfilling basic need which is what "new academies" were supposed to be for. I know I've said it before but it makes no sense whatsoever for Harris to be opening schools called free schools as well as others called academies.
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