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So he'll stand down - but he won't really stand down.Zac Goldsmith has signalled his determination to do nothing to jeopardise his campaign to stand as the Conservative candidate in the London mayoral contest by confirming that he will remain in the party even if he is forced to resign his parliamentary seat over the expansion of Heathrow airport.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ird-runway" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
She went a very long way around the houses before saying that though. Seems to be going out of her way not to ruffle the Cameron chicken feathers. I was wondering why. She's not her usual ebullient self.yahyah wrote:Blimey, what a strange day, agreeing with Baroness Warsi on Radio 4- she wants more help for refugees.
Chris Bryant MP @RhonddaBryant 18m18 minutes ago
Chris Bryant MP retweeted Giles Wilkes
It used to be Andy Coulson’s job to make up lines like that. Maybe he’ll be back, too.
Giles Wilkes@Gilesyb
No10 apparently insists "Britain is at the forefront of responding to the asylum crisis".
Imagine it's your job to say that sort of thing
Aah. Maybe that's the reason for Baroness Warsi's very careful stance. She can't make it look as though Cameron has been pushed into any softening of his position. He has to look as though it's all his own doing when he starts to be emollient later on today - as if it was all his idea all along. We are probably about to see another reworking / transformation of him to Saviour Cameron over the next few days.Chris Ship @chrisshipitv 8h8 hours ago
I suspect at some point on Thursday, Cameron's position on migrant crisis might start to shift. If not numbers, then certainly his language
Can't see him getting away with it, myself. He's put himself firmly on the wrong side of the argument. As far as I'm concerned there's little the West can do to help resolve the situation in Syria, but we can take refugees, it's pretty much all we can do without risking making the situation worse.rebeccariots2 wrote:Aah. Maybe that's the reason for Baroness Warsi's very careful stance. She can't make it look as though Cameron has been pushed into any softening of his position. He has to look as though it's all his own doing when he starts to be emollient later on today - as if it was all his idea all along. We are probably about to see another reworking / transformation of him to Saviour Cameron over the next few days.Chris Ship @chrisshipitv 8h8 hours ago
I suspect at some point on Thursday, Cameron's position on migrant crisis might start to shift. If not numbers, then certainly his language
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Peter Hayes FRPS @peterhayes123 6m6 minutes ago
Today's cartoon in The Times by Peter Brookes. http://fb.me/6WiKfslXM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/s ... e-refugeesBritain should not take more Middle East refugees, says David Cameron
Prime minister maintains hardline position despite pressure for UK to do more to help amid outcry over pictures of drowned refugee child in Turkey (Guardian)
Yes, I know this involves the never-beginning talents of one Grant Shapps, but what was I saying yesterday about David Cameron and money-making (or, to be more precise, making more money for those who already have more than they could possibly know what to do with)?UK seems to relax pressure on Caymans over company register (Guardian)
Evenaftermorninoon all....yahyah wrote:& I think we can firmly dispense with any notion that FTN is any way too pro-Corbyn.
Yesterday's posts show that.
Am not going to 'flounce' out at having to read through post after post picking apart his every utterance and telling us the world will end if he wins.
Just hope to see those so angry or dismissive about him proved wrong.
But when so many Labour members and supporters will be out to shred him from the first, helping the Tories do so, their gloom and doom scenario will likely occur.
That'll be followed by a lot of 'I told you so' mutterings from those who will have moved heaven and earth to ensure his leadership was a disaster.
If that were to play out the Labour party will probably lose the two members in my household.
Hugo's link to the petition shows that there are things we agree on though, so maybe that's where to focus.
Confession time. More insomnia woke at 2 and couldn't get back to sleep. No I wasn't putting the world to rights unless you call lying on your back imagining you're face to face with Dave and firing a constant barrage of put downs. Not sweary ones I hasten to add but really, really clever ones. Of course I cannot remember a single one, but no doubt one or two shall pop out at opportune moments. Unlike the other morning at least I wasn't speaking out loud; eventually got up at 3 when sleep really wasn't on the menu. Speaking of menu, there's no chance I'd afford to eat with Dave, that would cost more than my life's savings.Me, me, me wrote:... Yes you bloody twat Cameron call out a sparky when you have a trip with the absence of the sound of music, Worse still that others really were having difficulties. He's not just a wuss, ohso, or an unfeeling bastard toward others with or caring for disability, but a fucking idiot too.
Sorry about that, my youngest has advised I get back to computing.
Postscript: or demonstrate any humanity toward refugees in crisis. I could go on and indeed I do.
Every child being able to learn a musical instrument is similar to what Tristram Hunt has said about children from all backgrounds being able to access after school clubs and activities. There is much of value that is denied children from poorer backgrounds because of cost.Lonewolfie wrote:Evenaftermorninoon all....yahyah wrote:& I think we can firmly dispense with any notion that FTN is any way too pro-Corbyn.
Yesterday's posts show that.
Am not going to 'flounce' out at having to read through post after post picking apart his every utterance and telling us the world will end if he wins.
Just hope to see those so angry or dismissive about him proved wrong.
But when so many Labour members and supporters will be out to shred him from the first, helping the Tories do so, their gloom and doom scenario will likely occur.
That'll be followed by a lot of 'I told you so' mutterings from those who will have moved heaven and earth to ensure his leadership was a disaster.
If that were to play out the Labour party will probably lose the two members in my household.
Hugo's link to the petition shows that there are things we agree on though, so maybe that's where to focus.
Thank you for this....I'm starting to find that coming in here and writing something is getting increasingly difficult - I'm starting to feel that if I don't agree with certain posters (on Northern Ireland/Falklands Conflict, for example) I'm going to be castigated as a 'stupid useless unthinker'....and my view may or may not coincide with Corbyn....but I can like/support someone and not necessarily agree with everything they say....please see Burnham....who I am very happy to have as the leader of Labour/the opposition....it's just that, in my view as an outsider, pieces like this are a 'breath of fresh air' as one of the respondees' put it....
Jeremy Corbyn: My radical plan for the arts will make Britain happier
Labour leadership frontrunner Jeremy Corbyn says he will invest in the arts, protect the BBC and ensure every child can learn a musical instrument
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... ppier.html
....and in the Telegraph, no less - when I took the poll, the result was 63% in agreement....my prediction would be that I'm going to be told that this is a completely absolutely unworkable and fantasist policy.....
....and, I found this (long read) talking about Peoples QE etc....I live in Hope (just north of Peterborough) that I am not now going to be responded to with 'just wrong' style posts - I would (genuinely) be interested to know what the 'bad' is with regard to this?
PQE is sound economics but is not in the QE family
http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=31626
...and whilst I'm about it, another question....I sense a great deal of hostility from within Labour (and Labour members) towards Diane Abbot, and while I have deep reservations about anyone taking the shilling to share airtime with Portaloo and Brillohead, I can also see some positives - at the risk of being shouted at, what did she do that was so bad?
Thanks for this, lonewolfie, don't think I'm qualified to pronounce on its reliability but it's certainly food for thought.Lonewolfie wrote: ....and, I found this (long read) talking about Peoples QE etc....I live in Hope (just north of Peterborough) that I am not now going to be responded to with 'just wrong' style posts - I would (genuinely) be interested to know what the 'bad' is with regard to this?
PQE is sound economics but is not in the QE family
http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=31626
So...are you going to analyse what they wrote about or simply give us your unbiased (sic) opinion as to their economic credibility?SpinningHugo wrote:As heavyweight a list of economists denouncing Corbynomics as the laughable letter of half hearted support was lightweight
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/23076458-50d2 ... z3kOxa3Ql4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"We wish to register our opinion that the economic policies sketched by Jeremy Corbyn are likely to be highly damaging, and send this message to counter the impression that might be got from the previous letter of “41 economists” that Mr Corbyn’s policies command widespread support in the mainstream of the discipline."
RogerOThornhill wrote:So...are you going to analyse what they wrote about or simply give us your unbiased (sic) opinion as to their economic credibility?SpinningHugo wrote:As heavyweight a list of economists denouncing Corbynomics as the laughable letter of half hearted support was lightweight
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/23076458-50d2 ... z3kOxa3Ql4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"We wish to register our opinion that the economic policies sketched by Jeremy Corbyn are likely to be highly damaging, and send this message to counter the impression that might be got from the previous letter of “41 economists” that Mr Corbyn’s policies command widespread support in the mainstream of the discipline."
Actually I'd prefer it if you didn't post this stuff at all - utterly pointless. No-one's mind is going to be changed by you posting anti-Corbyn stuff. In fact, it might actually harden their attitude.SpinningHugo wrote:RogerOThornhill wrote:So...are you going to analyse what they wrote about or simply give us your unbiased (sic) opinion as to their economic credibility?SpinningHugo wrote:As heavyweight a list of economists denouncing Corbynomics as the laughable letter of half hearted support was lightweight
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/23076458-50d2 ... z3kOxa3Ql4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"We wish to register our opinion that the economic policies sketched by Jeremy Corbyn are likely to be highly damaging, and send this message to counter the impression that might be got from the previous letter of “41 economists” that Mr Corbyn’s policies command widespread support in the mainstream of the discipline."
You really want me to explain all this again at length? With links? I will if you like, but I am surprised if you are being serious. Sarcasm never really works in print I find.
RogerOThornhill wrote:Actually I'd prefer it if you didn't post this stuff at all - utterly pointless. No-one's mind is going to be changed by you posting anti-Corbyn stuff. In fact, it might actually harden their attitude.SpinningHugo wrote:RogerOThornhill wrote: So...are you going to analyse what they wrote about or simply give us your unbiased (sic) opinion as to their economic credibility?
You really want me to explain all this again at length? With links? I will if you like, but I am surprised if you are being serious. Sarcasm never really works in print I find.
Yes.StephenDolan wrote:Morning all.
Quick poll, who has voted, who hasn't? I have.
Thank you for posting the link.SpinningHugo wrote:Not sure whether already posted
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/105991" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Please sign.
Not yet......StephenDolan wrote:Morning all.
Quick poll, who has voted, who hasn't? I have.
I've voted.StephenDolan wrote:Morning all.
Quick poll, who has voted, who hasn't? I have.
Can't access it - any clues as to who has signed it ?SpinningHugo wrote:As heavyweight a list of economists denouncing Corbynomics as the laughable letter of half hearted support was lightweight
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/23076458-50d2 ... z3kOxa3Ql4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"We wish to register our opinion that the economic policies sketched by Jeremy Corbyn are likely to be highly damaging, and send this message to counter the impression that might be got from the previous letter of “41 economists” that Mr Corbyn’s policies command widespread support in the mainstream of the discipline."
https://longandvariable.wordpress.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;AngryAsWell wrote:Can't access it - any clues as to who has signed it ?SpinningHugo wrote:As heavyweight a list of economists denouncing Corbynomics as the laughable letter of half hearted support was lightweight
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/23076458-50d2 ... z3kOxa3Ql4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"We wish to register our opinion that the economic policies sketched by Jeremy Corbyn are likely to be highly damaging, and send this message to counter the impression that might be got from the previous letter of “41 economists” that Mr Corbyn’s policies command widespread support in the mainstream of the discipline."
So the Times is admitting that it's beyond David Cameron's wit to sort out the two problems that they mention?The Times says that Germany should not lecture Britain over the migration crisis and that Cameron is right to resist pressure to take a quota of refugees.
Downing Street is resisting refugee quotas for the good reason that they would amount to an open invitation to the thousands of refugees already on the move across the Continent and to millions more from Syria to Afghanistan. These people need practical help in situ. They do not need false hopes of a fantasy life in Europe when the reality so often is the appalling risk of death by trafficking or, at best, a twilight existence in an asylum system being tested to destruction ... (Politics Live, Guardian)
Thanks - I did wonder . . . .SpinningHugo wrote:
I won't post the full list, but they are all properly credentialed economists. Even the burger king at the end.
I haven't voted yet.StephenDolan wrote:Morning all.
Quick poll, who has voted, who hasn't? I have.