Tuesday 11th February 2025

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AnatolyKasparov wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 9:12 pm Its not a defence at all, damn this group to hell.
Seriously, there is absolutely no evidence there of actual vote rigging.
And "verification" doesn't mean anything either - the actual result will differ from the verified one quite often for all sorts of reasons.
We shall see, but I will be pretty surprised if the police conclude anything other than that there is no case to answer.
Did you check the whatsapp details . ?
I think not .
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Frog222 wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 10:44 pm
AnatolyKasparov wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 9:12 pm Its not a defence at all, damn this group to hell.
Seriously, there is absolutely no evidence there of actual vote rigging.
And "verification" doesn't mean anything either - the actual result will differ from the verified one quite often for all sorts of reasons.
We shall see, but I will be pretty surprised if the police conclude anything other than that there is no case to answer.
Did you check the whatsapp details . ?
I think not .
I did. Literally the sole "evidence" for ballot rigging is something that could very easily be a joke.

One thing I do know about, and can comment on pretty objectively, is elections and how they are run. And yes, there is electoral fraud in this country but the last proven case of actual ballot stuffing was a *long* time ago.
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refitman wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 6:45 pm Labour spent so much time shitting the bed over 'anti-Semitism', when they should have been paying attention to the actual scumbags in their party.
I've no idea if the above allegations are true, there's too little to go in in that tweet to come to a firm conclusion, but on the face of it it does look really bad.

On your wider point though I couldn't agree more. Up until now Andrew Gwynne had long and successful career in the Labour Party before being promoted twice by Starmer despite being warned that he was an absolute prick. If I were an MP I admit I'd probably get pissed off with particularly bothersome constituents and have a few choice words to say about them, I don't have an issue with that (besides the fact he was dumb enough to do it on WhatsApp). What's most notable to me is how he and his witless chums seem to have targetted most of their ire and abuse at the left, whether it be constituents or fellow MPs, often in the most disgusting, childish ways. I mean I've known for a long time how toxic Labour party politics is, it's one of the reasons I never got involved, but even I was shocked at some the shit Gwynne had posted. If I'd done it here you'd have rightly banned me from the forum. And as I say, it wasn't aimed at the Tories, or Farage, it was aimed at people like us.

Why people like Gwynne and his ilk are even in the Labour Party is for someone else to answer, I'm about as soft left as they come (or at least I used to be) and yet he and his idiot pal from Burnley would call me a Trot. When people like these clowns are being promoted and trusted in government it's little wonder that government ends up looking like a slightly tweaked facsimile of the previous Tory shitshow. Because all they care about is sticking it to the left, it's their reason for existence, their petty obsession that trumps all else, and as we're seeing from immigration to disability/child benefits they're perfectly happy to outdo the Tories in cuntishness if it means rubbing the left's noses in it.

There's plenty of political commentators from the left and right pointing out that Starmer's Labour can never satisfy the right, especially the far right, so all this performative cruelty they've begun indulging in is a waste of time, and that's absolutely true. But what they don't fully appreciate is that it's not just a feeble attempt to placate the Tory/Reform right, it's also a gleeful demonstration of their crushing of the left while people like me watch on disgusted and find ourselves once again at odds with a Labour government that promised much but ended up being not just a disappointment, but actively hostile to even the most basic, fundamental left wing principles.
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Re: Tuesday 11th February 2025

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AnatolyKasparov wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 10:56 pm
I did. Literally the sole "evidence" for ballot rigging is something that could very easily be a joke.
I agree, it could, looking at it again it's 5 lines of text cut from a longer conversation which makes me extremely suspicious especially given who's posted it.

Surely if what came before and after was as incriminating they'd have included it, we need to see the whole thing before reaching any conclusions.
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And not wanting to argue with most of your magnum opus above, but lets not forget who first appointed Andrew Gwynne to the Labour front bench shall we. The judgement of many at the time was that he was quite competent, even those who *did* think him a bit of a prick have been genuinely shocked by what has come out. There is pretty much no doubt that he has torched a once reasonably promising political career permanently.

Which is at least arguably justice of a sort.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:01 am And not wanting to argue with most of your magnum opus above, but lets not forget who first appointed Andrew Gwynne to the Labour front bench shall we. The judgement of many at the time was that he was quite competent, even those who *did* think him a bit of a prick have been genuinely shocked by what has come out. There is pretty much no doubt that he has torched a once reasonably promising political career permanently.

Which is at least arguably justice of a sort.
I'm pretty sure you do want to argue with most of my magnum opus above, and I mean yeah sure he was a junior minister under Milliband? But my point stands, the Labour right care more about crushing their left-wing foe more than anything else beside perhaps being re-elected. Which is why we now have an utterly rudderless government desperate to get rid of the the last few ashes of the burnt left wing offerings they made. Don't take my word for it, go out and about, talk to people, ask them how happy they are, ask them if they recognise this as a Labour government.
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I was thinking of Miliband's successor actually......

Seriously he ran the Oldham byelection campaign in late 2015 early in Jez's leadership, when UKIP genuinely fancied their chances but were trounced. That won him kudos with a fair few people not on the right of the party.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 1:02 am I was thinking of Miliband's successor actually......

Seriously he ran the Oldham byelection campaign in late 2015 early in Jez's leadership, when UKIP genuinely fancied their chances but were trounced. That won him kudos with a fair few people not on the right of the party.
So you're saying he ran a campaign where Labour were guaranteed an easy victory against ukip so therefore he's a friend of the left?

Ok.
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Ahem, look back at the media coverage at the time - lots of people never thought it would be an easy Labour win at all.

And "friend of the left" is just your straw mannery.

Anyway, goodnight :)
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