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Doing the Windrush media round this morning, David Lidington is trying to pin the blame on a/ policies of all governments from 1970s onwards and b/ a generalised institutional failing in Home Office. Both pretty disngenuous.


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"Dream ticket: how sleep became a billion-dollar business"
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Sleep has been given that most modern of makeovers – it has been Goop-ified, given the clean-sleeping treatment , with Gwyneth Paltrow evangelising about making sleep a priority and her 10-hour-a-night ideal. People are being encouraged to douse vetiver-scented wellness oil between their toes or do a five-minute foam-rolling session right before heading to bed.

Ugh, might smell better than the catnip teas though.
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Doing the Windrush media round this morning, David Lidington is trying to pin the blame on a/ policies of all governments from 1970s onwards and b/ a generalised institutional failing in Home Office. Both pretty disngenuous.


:roll:

Admittedly the HO is useless, but TMay's 2014 and 2016 Immigration Acts put the onus on hospitals etc to check immigration status -- the Hostile Environment .

As we all no.

The bbc's grilling of Tories just improved a bit, negative feedback on too much bias ?


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How long can they keep this up? I suppose they're hoping that the issue will move out of the spotlight.

I imagine that they feel that incompetence is a better look than malice.

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David Lidington, the Cabinet Office minister, told the Today programme this morning that the government is still not certain whether any Windrush-era citizens in the UK have been wrongly deported, my colleagues Peter Walker and Amelia Gentleman report. (Politics Live, Guardian)





Edited to add attribution.


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I imagine that they feel that incompetence is a better look than malice.


Plenty of both in the HO.

Given that article from 2014 that I linked last night, I'd be astonished if there hadn't been any deportations 'in error'.

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6/ If you have a system which treats people as humans with sympathetic reasons for being here you will inevitably never get to the ridiculously low net migration targets.

No, to reach that you have to put in quite a different system.

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That unit that Rudd is setting up needs to start working pretty sharpish...

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6/ If you have a system which treats people as humans with sympathetic reasons for being here you will inevitably never get to the ridiculously low net migration targets.

No, to reach that you have to put in quite a different system.


Funny how the target culture was swept away in 2010 but seems to be still hanging around (cf. apprenticeships, free schools)...

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Oldie but goodie ;)


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Some pretty shady goings on around data use and transfer in the Leave campaign. I know, I was shocked too...

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That unit that Rudd is setting up needs to start working pretty sharpish...

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British residents deported to Jamaica told to 'put on accent'

The government has been criticised over a leaflet for people it claims to be deporting to their home country, which includes advice to put on a local accent.

The guide, produced in 2013, offers a list of dos and don’ts for people being deported to Jamaica, including the tip: “Try to be ‘Jamaican’ – use local accents and dialect”. It also reveals the name of the Jamaican currency and the names of some major Jamaican television stations and newspapers.

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Chris Leslie, you've every right to disagree with the Labour party leader and to work for the change your conscious dictates.
I ask you to think how best to serve as a Labour party MP, working for nation and people now.
Labour is a political party, not a religion, it's purpose is leading for everyone, not a few.
You're Labour.
I decline cutting up Labour into wings, I don't have the time or energy.
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Unfortunately, his actions over a considerable period of time now cast doubt on whether Leslie is really "Labour" at all.


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Well. you might think that I couldn't possibly comment...

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Murkier and murkier...

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Unfortunately, his actions over a considerable period of time now cast doubt on whether Leslie is really "Labour" at all.

Yes. I ask Chris Leslie to examine his conscious and decide where he best serves people, country and the Labour party.


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Evidence of UK arrivals discarded despite case worker protests, says former employee

The Home Office destroyed thousands of landing card slips recording Windrush immigrants’ arrival dates in the UK, despite staff warnings that the move would make it harder to check the records of older Caribbean-born residents experiencing residency difficulties. (Guardian)


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We got Tory government intentionally crashing people and country; they're irresponsible, unaccountable leadership.
I'm not okay with that and need everyone's help rectifying injustice.
Stay together.


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From the above...

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The former employee (who has asked for his name not to be printed) said it was decided in 2010 to destroy the disembarkation cards, which dated back to the 1950s and 60s, when the Home Office’s Whitgift Centre in Croydon was closed and the staff were moved to another site. Employees in his department told their managers it was a bad idea, because these papers were often the last remaining record of a person’s arrival date, in the event of uncertainty or lost documents. The files were destroyed in October that year, when Theresa May was home secretary.


Well, well...

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Military interventions are unviable


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Is that a problem?

Not for me.

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Was it Willow who said the other day that this board was quiet because there wasn't any politics to talk about? Be careful what you wish for.

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Theresa May's immigration changes for UK citizens and their families continues causing hardship, stranded family members and fear.
The citizen family has personal experience with it.
Run through wheat fields, May. It's safer for everyone.


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From the above...

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The former employee (who has asked for his name not to be printed) said it was decided in 2010 to destroy the disembarkation cards, which dated back to the 1950s and 60s, when the Home Office’s Whitgift Centre in Croydon was closed and the staff were moved to another site. Employees in his department told their managers it was a bad idea, because these papers were often the last remaining record of a person’s arrival date, in the event of uncertainty or lost documents. The files were destroyed in October that year, when Theresa May was home secretary.


Well, well...


I expect there's much more where that came from, too - given her length of tenure as Home Secretary.



Edited - typo, and to add:

David Cameron - wasn't he Prime Minister? I'd hate to lose sight of the fact that it was a Conservative Government in office, and that Theresa May wasn't acting in an overall policy vacuum.


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Trying to blame conveniently nameless and faceless "Home Office bureaucrats" for what has been going on really is the pits isn't it.


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Yes, exactly. I read a lot of effort going into disconnecting current affairs and Tory government starting in May 2010.


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Trying to blame conveniently nameless and faceless "Home Office bureaucrats" for what has been going on really is the pits isn't it.

It's despicable
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Coalition Government,some Libdem Ministers more than eager to justify policy and speak for the Government,even though not strictly under their remit.


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Heh.

https://twitter.com/ChrisMasonBBC/statu ... 6543106048

That was then, this is now...

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Coalition Government,some Libdem Ministers more than eager to justify policy and speak for the Government,even though not strictly under their remit.


Yes, I was going to go back and add them in for their portion of blame - but I thought that was an edit too far! Glad you mentioned them.


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How come Labour doesn't dig up these nuggets?


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How come Labour doesn't dig up these nuggets?


Its the sort of thing that might be left to backbench MPs I would have thought, too many of Labour's seem keener to loudly support the government however.


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