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Meeting the worst Foreign Secretary we’ve ever had amongst the destruction of Hurricane Irma in Anguilla. Disinterested and out of his depth he cared nothing for our situation. Good riddance


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Maybe you're not feeling sufficiently depressed by domestic issues.......

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1. This week, Donald Trump is acting like the Kremlin's perfect hand grenade, tossed into Europe to blow up the West from within. He is attacking the European order (EU), the Transatlantic security alliance (NATO) & the American-led, rules-based international order simultaneously

10:05 AM - 10 Jul 2018

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Another on the same lines.
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11. Even as I write this, it sounds fantastical. I will be the happiest person on the planet if I look back at this thread and say, man, you were way overreacting. But we need to be ready for this awful scenario to play out.


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Thanks for posting the John McKendrick "Tweet". I tried umpteen times yesterday and all I got were squirrels. Glad you had more success!


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As pointed out in thread below Shapiro's comments, Trump doesn't have the authority to personally withdraw the US from NATO.

He would need Congress approval, and even some in the GOP would balk at that.

His presidency is every bit as bad as many feared, but lets not scare ourselves with (still) highly improbable scenarios.


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Sajid Javid quoted from the home affairs committee
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What I can tell you, because the prime minister has said this, so I’m not pre-empting something that’s in the white paper, is that there will be a complete, total end to freedom of movement. Freedom of movement as we understand it today will end, but also there will be no version of that, no derivative of that, no type of free movement, no backdoor version of free movement. Free movement will end.


So, to be clear, he is saying that May's white paper will reject May's Chequer's agreement, yes? Because 'freedom of movement' means 'free movement of goods, services, capital and labour' and May's Chequer's agreement called for free movement of goods. But the white paper will rule that out.

Or is he just another ignorant fucking idiot who is either willfully or stupidly spilling misinformation about what all of this means, and showing once again how we've ended up in this mess.

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RIP Lord Carrington, died on the same day that one of their least worthy successors as Foreign Secretary "resigned".


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The Chief Inspector discussed the importance of promoting British values in schools and Ofsted's role in making sure this is done well.

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No more resignations today, then?


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The media hasn't held back on raking over the coals of Boris Johnson's career, have they?

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The media hasn't held back on raking over the coals of Boris Johnson's career, have they?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/10/opin ... rexit.html
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It was all just a jolly jape to him, with no adverse personal consequences.

Or so he thought........


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Thanks for all the great links :-)

The truth about the brexit dream

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Just the two resignations today then?

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No more resignations today, then?


I think you may have spoken too soon. :)

BTW I'm seeing lots of (supposedly) Corbyn supporting tweets labelling any lefties who think voting for any withdrawal agreement May might be able to secure as somehow traitorous to the cause. Any ideas as to where this might be coming from? Since Grieve bottled it, parliament won't get a proper meaningful vote, so voting against could risk losing the all important transition period & future close relationship with the EU. It risks a no deal Brexit. Not so long ago Emily Thornberry was pointing out any withdrawal agreement is likely to fulfil Labour's 5 tests because the tests are mostly about any future arrangements and the withdrawal agreement is mostly about the divorce bill etc and won't be specific about the future relationship. Therefore voting for the withdrawal agreement (if May gets one & that's a very big if!) would surely be in line with Labour's stated policy. Perhaps I'm reading something into nothing, but this current Twitter activity feels deliberate, co-ordinated & leaves me wondering who is yanking our chains.

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And more to come...

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House rises on 24th July so 14 resignations to come then?

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They seem to be trying to follow the playbook of Corbyn's opponents two years ago. How did that one turn out?


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Whilst everyone gets very excited about Chequers tomorrow, truth is PM has been consistent with her #Brexit wishlist from day one - control of money, borders and laws. We should support her, get behind her and deliver precisely those things!
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Willow904 wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
No more resignations today, then?


I think you may have spoken too soon. :)

BTW I'm seeing lots of (supposedly) Corbyn supporting tweets labelling any lefties who think voting for any withdrawal agreement May might be able to secure as somehow traitorous to the cause


Well, it has been made pretty clear by Starmer and others that the Chequers "deal" would not be acceptable to Labour as it stands.

Hypothetically speaking, should the possibility remain open of Labour supporting a much improved (from their/our POV) deal? IMO yes it should, but we are a long way from that at present and keeping the pressure on seems like the sensible option.

People on Twitter are also reacting to the likes of Mike Gapes and other Labour MPs almost openly calling for some sort of "national government". Whatever the fantasies of some ERG types, we are not actually at war - the only time that such an arrangement would be remotely acceptable.


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
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No more resignations today, then?


I think you may have spoken too soon. :)

BTW I'm seeing lots of (supposedly) Corbyn supporting tweets labelling any lefties who think voting for any withdrawal agreement May might be able to secure as somehow traitorous to the cause


Well, it has been made pretty clear by Starmer and others that the Chequers "deal" would not be acceptable to Labour as it stands.

Hypothetically speaking, should the possibility remain open of Labour supporting a much improved (from their/our POV) deal? IMO yes it should, but we are a long way from that at present and keeping the pressure on seems like the sensible option.

People on Twitter are also reacting to the likes of Mike Gapes and other Labour MPs almost openly calling for some sort of "national government". Whatever the fantasies of some ERG types, we are not actually at war - the only time that such an arrangement would be remotely acceptable.


May has her withdrawal bill. She doesn't need them.

The ball is now in the EU's court. How they respond is key to how this unfolds.

As for "keeping the pressure on", what pressure? What are Labour doing that puts pressure on and to what end?

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Yesterday’s Crace was understandably …. very late !

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... l-go-wrong

Today’s came out at 0600, lovely one on footie, and people —

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Willow904 wrote:
May has her withdrawal bill. She doesn't need them.

The ball is now in the EU's court. How they respond is key to how this unfolds.

As for "keeping the pressure on", what pressure? What are Labour doing that puts pressure on and to what end?

There are the Trade Bill and the Taxation Bill next week where the issue of a Customs Union will come up again.

I don't know what Labour's plan is, but there is certainly an opportunity to apply pressure.


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Ah, one of these...always worth reading.

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Spoilt people ! We also have Our Daily Crace —

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Dunt -- boris-johnson-was-britain-s-first-post-truth-foreign-secreta

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I like some of Oborne's stuff, but hardly know what to make of this !

PETER-OBORNE-Boris-Johnsons-new-role-Theresa-Mays-dangerous-opponent.

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
They seem to be trying to follow the playbook of Corbyn's opponents two years ago. How did that one turn out?


Lots of probablies coming right up, but still, let's go for it.....

Corbyn did not have the support of his party in the Commons but overwhelmingly did in the country. So he was always likely to lose a confidence vote in the commons and then win a leadership election in the country. (I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but this time it really was always likely).

May has the majority support of her party in the commons, reasonably comfortably by all accounts. When it comes to Europe, she all but certainly does not have the support of her party in the country. So probably she is more than likely to win a confidence vote if one is triggered, and that will be the end of the matter, so far as con MPs being able to force the issue, for a year.

The longer things drag on, though, the more time tory MPs will be spending with their constituents who will probably be telling them 'you must reject May's deal'. It's not impossible that this is what 'team boris' are up to now.

Tory MPs are re-selected on a majority of their association executive or of their associations membership. I think that if they win a majority of the executive they're sorted. I suspect conservative association executives are reasonably representative of the 'you must reject May's deal' wing of the party. probably. Don't really know.

May and what remains of her loyalists, meanwhile, will walk around whispering 'Corbyn and McDonnell' to any conservatives in the commons who will listen to them. She will probably be directly in contact with members in the country saying the same thing.

I suppose the next thing all of this depends upon is how the EU react to our proposals and how May reacts to their reaction. A lot is being made in some quarters of this '80% of a deal' but that really isn't much more than the last time they talked about it. It still seems very unlikely that the EU will blink on freedoms of movement, or regulatory alignment, or ECJ oversight.

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