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UKIP GAIN from CON Folkestone Harvey C on Shepway
UKIP 287
CON 224
LD 198
LAB 196
GRN 96
TUSC 29
Farage's party doing well in Kent


No doubt Anatoly will be along later - in the G - to give us a round up with commentary.

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Good morning. Labour lead at 4 points on Yougov:

Latest YouGov / The Sun results 4th Sept -

Con 32%, (-1)
Lab 36%, (no change)
LD 7%, (no change)
UKIP 16%; (+2)

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Morning.

Boris not a shoe-in for Uxbridge ?

Local paper quotes a Tory there as saying
“Boris is not at all a shoe-in and he’s got a real fight on his hands now. David Simmonds is very popular around here, and Uxbridge’s kind of guy.
We don’t go in for flashy and we’ve never been interested in celebrated MPs…”

http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2014/09/05/the-betting-favourite-for-next-con-leader-and-2nd-favourite-for-next-pm-is-in-danger-of-falling-at-the-first-fence/

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Morning all.

My birthday today so have a virtual piece of cake on me. I'm off to Sicily tomorrow so won't be around next week.

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Morning.

Boris not a shoe-in for Uxbridge ?

Local paper quotes a Tory there as saying
“Boris is not at all a shoe-in and he’s got a real fight on his hands now. David Simmonds is very popular around here, and Uxbridge’s kind of guy.
We don’t go in for flashy and we’ve never been interested in celebrated MPs…”

http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2014/09/05/the-betting-favourite-for-next-con-leader-and-2nd-favourite-for-next-pm-is-in-danger-of-falling-at-the-first-fence/

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Happy birthday Roger

Enjoy Sicily. Presume the Roman mosaics etc at Piazza Armerina one of your stop-offs?


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My birthday today so have a virtual piece of cake on me. I'm off to Sicily tomorrow so won't be around next week.

Happy Birthday Roger.

Have fun in Sicily.


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Enjoy Sicily. Presume the Roman mosaics etc at Piazza Armerina one of your stop-offs?


Thanks.

No, not this time - went there when I last was in Sicily which, to my amazement, is 21 years ago!

I'm off to Agrigento, Solunto and Tyndaris and have a couple of days free in Palermo - Monreale is a definite...the mosaics in the cathedral are astonishing.

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Happy Birthday Rog. Say "Ciao" to Salvo Montalbano if you see him.

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Happy Birthday Roger,enjoy your trip.


Andrew George's Bill being debated now on Parliament channel.Tories have already attempted to have the debate in private.


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My birthday today so have a virtual piece of cake on me. I'm off to Sicily tomorrow so won't be around next week.



Buon Compleanno!

Mine's an espresso and lemon polenta cake, please.

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Happy Birthday Roger,enjoy your trip.


Andrew George's Bill being debated now on Parliament channel.Tories have already attempted to have the debate in private.



I was watching ITV last night and when I put the telly on just now it came on to Jeremy Kyle.

Having switched to BBC Parliament, I'm not sure there's a lot of difference.....

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My birthday today so have a virtual piece of cake on me. I'm off to Sicily tomorrow so won't be around next week.

Happy Birthday Roger - have fun on holiday :)


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Happy Birthday Roger,enjoy your trip.


Andrew George's Bill being debated now on Parliament channel.Tories have already attempted to have the debate in private.


Happy Birthday to Roger from me, too.

Watching the debate on Andrew George's Bill and I was rather p'd to see the motion to hear in private. Thought it was more of a time-wasting measure than anything else. Wish the Speaker would have insisted that Andrew George 'be heard' as I was having difficulty in hearing him introduce the Bill.

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Happy Birthday Roger,enjoy your trip.


Andrew George's Bill being debated now on Parliament channel.Tories have already attempted to have the debate in private.


Happy Birthday to Roger from me, too.

Watching the debate on Andrew George's Bill and I was rather p'd to see the motion to hear in private. Thought it was more of a time-wasting measure than anything else. Wish the Speaker would have insisted that Andrew George 'be heard' as I was having difficulty in hearing him introduce the Bill.



Hello,yes a time wasting tactic.They'll be more from the usual suspects.


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Happy birthday RogerOThornhill. Enjoy your holiday. - it sounds idyllic.


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Happy Birthday Roger,enjoy your trip.


Andrew George's Bill being debated now on Parliament channel.Tories have already attempted to have the debate in private.


Happy Birthday to Roger from me, too.

Watching the debate on Andrew George's Bill and I was rather p'd to see the motion to hear in private. Thought it was more of a time-wasting measure than anything else. Wish the Speaker would have insisted that Andrew George 'be heard' as I was having difficulty in hearing him introduce the Bill.


Kerry McCarthy tweeted (about half an hour ago) "For those unfamiliar with Friday sittings, P Davies or Nuttall will soon start filibustering... and we will all lose the will to live.". She, like many of us, is frustrated at the pathetic holding tactics being used in Parliament and the media to protect IDS; and, yes, I do think Sparrow is as guilty of that as anybody, I'm more convinced than ever that editorial policy is to leave IDS alone.

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It's Friday so I brought the cake & seeing as it's Roger's birthday, I decided to combine the two.

Happy birthday Roger & have a great holiday.

Welcome @LadyCentauria :)


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Happy Birthday Roger,enjoy your trip.


Andrew George's Bill being debated now on Parliament channel.Tories have already attempted to have the debate in private.


Happy Birthday to Roger from me, too.

Watching the debate on Andrew George's Bill and I was rather p'd to see the motion to hear in private. Thought it was more of a time-wasting measure than anything else. Wish the Speaker would have insisted that Andrew George 'be heard' as I was having difficulty in hearing him introduce the Bill.


Kerry McCarthy tweeted (about half an hour ago) "For those unfamiliar with Friday sittings, P Davies or Nuttall will soon start filibustering... and we will all lose the will to live.". She, like many of us, is frustrated at the pathetic holding tactics being used in Parliament and the media to protect IDS; and, yes, I do think Sparrow is as guilty of that as anybody, I'm more convinced than ever that editorial policy is to leave IDS alone.


Thanks. Yes, I was losing the will to live during Baldry's contribution. Giggled when someone referred to his, um, history lesson as "Baldrydash."

And thanks, @pk1 for the welcome :grin:

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Happy Birthday Roger,enjoy your trip.


Andrew George's Bill being debated now on Parliament channel.Tories have already attempted to have the debate in private.


Happy Birthday to Roger from me, too.

Watching the debate on Andrew George's Bill and I was rather p'd to see the motion to hear in private. Thought it was more of a time-wasting measure than anything else. Wish the Speaker would have insisted that Andrew George 'be heard' as I was having difficulty in hearing him introduce the Bill.


Hello and welcome LadyCentauria :)


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Lord Mayor of London Fiona Woolf has replaced Lady Butler-Sloss as head of the UK government inquiry into historical child abuse.


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Afternoon, did anyone see Gordon's speech this morning, and did he really say this, if so, good effort?!


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Populus:

Lab 38 (+2)
Con 32 (nc)
LD 8 (-1)
UKIP 14 (-1)
Oth 8 (nc).

Most unusual lately for a Friday Populus to be so favourable to Labour so enjoy but bear in mind that it might well be a sampling error.


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Lab 38 (+2)
Con 32 (nc)
LD 8 (-1)
UKIP 14 (-1)
Oth 8 (nc).

Most unusual lately for a Friday Populus to be so favourable to Labour so enjoy but bear in mind that it might well be a sampling error.


Labour lead went up on Friday a few weeks ago as well.


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
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Lab 38 (+2)
Con 32 (nc)
LD 8 (-1)
UKIP 14 (-1)
Oth 8 (nc).

Most unusual lately for a Friday Populus to be so favourable to Labour so enjoy but bear in mind that it might well be a sampling error.


Labour lead went up on Friday a few weeks ago as well.


Indeed. Which is odd, because Populus are on record as saying their weighting marks Labour down and UKIP up; so, even allowing for sampling errors, could the Clacton bandwagon be stuttering a little?

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FO, how/where are you following the parliamentary coverage?


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So many "facts" in that Nicky Morgan email.

Presumably most are explained by the simple fact that there are more children.

But the record low NEET figure. Hang on a mo!


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FO, how/where are you following the parliamentary coverage?

It's on the BBC website: http://www.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/21006885


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So many "facts" in that Nicky Morgan email.

Presumably most are explained by the simple fact that there are more children.

But the record low NEET figure. Hang on a mo!


A quick check. It seems this is true only for 16-18 year olds, where of course the changes to the school leaving age have had a massive impact.


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Closure Motion:

Ayes: 304
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Now dividing on Bill being read a 2nd Time

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It's on the BBC website: http://www.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/21006885


Cheers Dan - will have a look.


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I'm following it on Freeview 131 - BBC Parliament.


Of course, how silly of me! Might have a look in a mo. Bet my idiot MP's up to his usual loathsome tricks.


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Closure Motion:

Ayes: 304
Noes: 237

Now dividing on Bill being read a 2nd Time


Further thanks - and a belated welcome to you, LC, hope you find the place to your liking. Your locker is next to pk1's, the cafeteria is open until 8pm and bicycle hre can be arranged for a nominal fee.


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Further thanks - and a belated welcome to you, LC, hope you find the place to your liking. Your locker is next to pk1's, the cafeteria is open until 8pm and bicycle hre can be arranged for a nominal fee.


...but please refrain from asking for the main gate to be opened as this may lead to a problem with your parliamentary career. :)


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Ayes 306, Noes 231 - the Government have been defeated by 75 votes!!

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Ayes 306, Noes 231 - the Government have been defeated by 75 votes!!


Good - be interesting to see how the FibDems voted.


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Closure Motion:

Ayes: 304
Noes: 237

Now dividing on Bill being read a 2nd Time


Further thanks - and a belated welcome to you, LC, hope you find the place to your liking. Your locker is next to pk1's, the cafeteria is open until 8pm and bicycle hre can be arranged for a nominal fee.


Thanks, Ernst! And thanks to @Angry, too :grin:

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@Eric_WLothian: Am I allowed to climb the gate, instead?


Well ...if you can do it without damaging the bike. Easier to use the pedestrian gate though, like the rest of us plebs! :lol:


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Ayes 306, Noes 231 - the Government have been defeated by 75 votes!!


Good - be interesting to see how the FibDems voted.

Fibs were voting for it official line) 'twas a fibby that put it forward :)


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Another live debate

http://www.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hous ... s-29039369
Small class sizes - T Hunt speaking now just called some one a boiled cabbage? lol


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PostPosted: Fri 05 Sep, 2014 1:00 pm 
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''To quote Keynes, when the facts change, I do, what do you do''

Well, to quote me, I wouldn't have voted for it in the first ******* place!

https://twitter.com/malcolmbruce/status ... 5682191360


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AngryAsWell wrote:
Another live debate

http://www.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hous ... s-29039369
Small class sizes - T Hunt speaking now just called some one a boiled cabbage? lol

Oops!
Not a live debate, a recording, the debate was lost.

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Labour's motion - which called for capital spending to be re-directed to areas where more places are needed - was rejected in a vote, by a majority of 96.


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PostPosted: Fri 05 Sep, 2014 1:17 pm 
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Has anyone any idea how the LibDems, who attended voted? Going to find an old saucepan and that can be used as a spittoon as I read the list.


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