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by gilsey
Fri 22 Oct, 2021 9:39 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Friday 22nd October 2021
Replies: 15
Views: 160

Re: Friday 22nd October 2021

by gilsey
Thu 21 Oct, 2021 9:37 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Thursday 21st October 2021
Replies: 32
Views: 243

Re: Thursday 21st October 2021

For me, the most infuriating thing about govt refusing to make masks compulsory is that, even if it's only marginally effective against covid, it works excellently against colds and flu.

It's getting very hard to deny that they want the NHS to fail, and in a hurry.
by gilsey
Thu 21 Oct, 2021 8:56 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Thursday 21st October 2021
Replies: 32
Views: 243

Re: Thursday 21st October 2021

Good morning. Phil BC with a good rant, he's not wrong, especially about Javid being the worst person at the worst time. Responsibility is yours and yours alone, be it health, wellbeing, or how you make your living. Pushing down the popular perception of state responsibility is another conscious eff...
by gilsey
Wed 20 Oct, 2021 10:41 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Wednesday 20th October 2021
Replies: 31
Views: 204

Re: Wednesday 20th October 2021

Some people not too far away from the UK govt still think we should consider 'opposing views' on climate change. From earlier this year



You're not disqualified from being 'Social Mobility Tsar' by being a lunatic. FFS.
by gilsey
Mon 18 Oct, 2021 12:05 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday, 16th and Sunday, 17th October 2021
Replies: 47
Views: 395

Re: Saturday, 16th and Sunday, 17th October 2021

PorFavor wrote: Sun 17 Oct, 2021 11:44 pm It's a sad thing that they haven't the wit to realise, or probably the guts to admit, that it is the only way that they might gain power.
Ever since they lost Scotland. Surely they don’t think that’s magically going to change.
by gilsey
Sun 17 Oct, 2021 9:46 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday, 16th and Sunday, 17th October 2021
Replies: 47
Views: 395

Re: Saturday, 16th and Sunday, 17th October 2021

I always enjoy Keegan's columns, although it has been pointed out that he's been writing the same one for 5 years. I like this phrase An economic omelette is being ruinously unscrambled. All my adult life I've believed that between 30 & 40% of the Uk population are selfish arseholes, they seem t...
by gilsey
Sat 16 Oct, 2021 8:59 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday, 16th and Sunday, 17th October 2021
Replies: 47
Views: 395

Re: Saturday, 16th and Sunday, 17th October 2021

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/16/perfidious-albion-why-french-faith-in-boris-johnson-has-nosedived Paris is increasingly convinced the British prime minister is not interested in solving the bilateral problems weighing down the relationship, and instead wants to use France as a runn...
by gilsey
Fri 15 Oct, 2021 9:44 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Friday 15th October 2021
Replies: 13
Views: 214

Re: Friday 15th October 2021

:D Morning. The UK Covid disaster and the Tories’ ‘situational rationality’ The report asks, more or less, why the government focused on questions of compliance or non-compliance and, till it was too late, favour the idea put forward by some of the behavioural advisers that people might not follow t...
by gilsey
Thu 14 Oct, 2021 9:46 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Thursday 14th October 2021
Replies: 22
Views: 265

Re: Thursday 14th October 2021

frog222 wrote: Thu 14 Oct, 2021 9:27 pm
gilsey wrote: Thu 14 Oct, 2021 9:17 pm
Not in this case, no.
You didn't answer my point on the exact wording ?
I've seen the exact wording a number of times and imo it's incapable of any alternative interpretation. Nuanced it's not.
by gilsey
Thu 14 Oct, 2021 9:21 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Thursday 14th October 2021
Replies: 22
Views: 265

Re: Thursday 14th October 2021

We will, of course, vote for another tory.
Donkey with a blue rosette round here.
by gilsey
Thu 14 Oct, 2021 9:17 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Thursday 14th October 2021
Replies: 22
Views: 265

Re: Thursday 14th October 2021

Not in this case, no. I've said before, he's representative of the v v poor quality candidates the tories have put forward for these jobs. One of the local councillors pointed out how ridiculous it is that there's apparently no way to get rid of a PCC if they're useless. Brings to mind Benn's famous...
by gilsey
Wed 13 Oct, 2021 10:04 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Wednesday 13th October 2021
Replies: 22
Views: 333

Re: Wednesday 13th October 2021

Yes, that too.
by gilsey
Wed 13 Oct, 2021 9:33 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Wednesday 13th October 2021
Replies: 22
Views: 333

Re: Wednesday 13th October 2021

Also Cummings:
I think Remain = the risky option & getting riskier as €zone stagnates/fails
They're going to stagnate/fail faster than the UK? Anyone taking bets?
by gilsey
Wed 13 Oct, 2021 9:28 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Wednesday 13th October 2021
Replies: 22
Views: 333

Re: Wednesday 13th October 2021

Is the covid report a distraction from Frost's brexit chaos or vice versa? Cummings: No what Ive said does NOT mean 'the PM was lying in GE2019', he never had a scoobydoo what the deal he signed meant . He never understood what leaving Customs Union meant until 11/20. In 1/20 he was babbling 'Id nev...
by gilsey
Tue 12 Oct, 2021 9:22 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday, 12th October 2021
Replies: 18
Views: 314

Re: Tuesday, 12th October 2021

Re Covid, I've thought from the beginning that 'following the science' went awry partly because Whitty/Vallance et al were second guessing what would be acceptable to the govt, which inevitably was then watered down again.

Jenny Harries is far worse.
by gilsey
Tue 12 Oct, 2021 9:15 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday, 12th October 2021
Replies: 18
Views: 314

Re: Tuesday, 12th October 2021

Really all you need to know about Brexit was in that pic of Frost/Johnson/Barnier/VdL when the deal was agreed, Frost & Johnson looking like 2 sacks of spuds and the Europeans immaculate. https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/7d8fee7eeb8c4e7688ab99762b43b4f941e6999e/0_118_3500_2100/master/3500.jpg?widt...
by gilsey
Tue 12 Oct, 2021 10:09 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday, 12th October 2021
Replies: 18
Views: 314

Re: Tuesday, 12th October 2021

ALL on Hunt's watch I think? Yes, and he's now Chair of the Committee producing the report, a circumstance neither he nor the MSM seem to have a problem with. “It was more a reflection of fatalism,” Clark said. “That if you don’t have the prospect of a vaccine being developed, if you think people w...
by gilsey
Mon 11 Oct, 2021 9:18 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Monday 11th October 2021
Replies: 5
Views: 190

Re: Monday 11th October 2021

Morning. Sky last night, on the problem of democracy. In case you missed it. Some advocate a more liberal stance involving improved education and increased access to the arts and culture, a Reithian approach if you will, and I do have some sympathy with such arguments, but after decades of the BBC a...
by gilsey
Fri 08 Oct, 2021 10:14 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Friday 8th October 2021
Replies: 6
Views: 192

Re: Friday 8th October 2021

Teenager vaccination rollout seems a bit of a shambles but I still struggle to get past my incredulity that they didn't start thinking about it in June.
by gilsey
Fri 08 Oct, 2021 10:13 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Friday 8th October 2021
Replies: 6
Views: 192

Re: Friday 8th October 2021



Whole thread worth reading.
by gilsey
Wed 06 Oct, 2021 11:16 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Wednesday 6th October 2021
Replies: 13
Views: 279

Re: Wednesday 6th October 2021

Following on from street lighting being the solution to VAWG Johnson says the Covid crisis was a “lightening flash illumination” of a problem left unaddressed for decades - social care. He says delayed discharge has exacerbated the problem. He says it is unfair that treatment for cancer is funded by...
by gilsey
Wed 06 Oct, 2021 9:31 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Wednesday 6th October 2021
Replies: 13
Views: 279

Re: Wednesday 6th October 2021

Good morning.

"new Tory economic model will end ‘decades of drift and dither’"

by gilsey
Tue 05 Oct, 2021 9:09 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 5th October 2021
Replies: 29
Views: 446

Re: Tuesday 5th October 2021

Good morning. I know we don't need more evidence of the uselessness of Johnson and his govt, but Q: Do you have a plan to make women and girls more safe? Yes, says Johnson. They are making streets safer, hiring more police and investing in more street lighting. But he says he also wants to speed up ...
by gilsey
Mon 04 Oct, 2021 9:33 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Monday 4th October 2021
Replies: 17
Views: 326

Re: Monday 4th October 2021

by gilsey
Mon 04 Oct, 2021 5:16 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Monday 4th October 2021
Replies: 17
Views: 326

Re: Monday 4th October 2021

This is a good point. Labour could get stuck in just opposing Tory policies rather than pointing out what more could be done. They could also point out the reality of what is happening in London... Will the govt actually put some money into local govt though, without that it's just Cameron's 'Big S...
by gilsey
Sun 03 Oct, 2021 10:04 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 2nd & Sunday 3rd October 2021
Replies: 45
Views: 570

Re: Saturday 2nd & Sunday 3rd October 2021

Sky'sGoneOut wrote: Sun 03 Oct, 2021 9:29 pm they wondered why I'd walk so far to avoid being charged a pound by a cash machine.
tbf, I wondered that too.

Glad you had a good meal.
by gilsey
Sun 03 Oct, 2021 10:02 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 2nd & Sunday 3rd October 2021
Replies: 45
Views: 570

Re: Saturday 2nd & Sunday 3rd October 2021

As with the N Yorks PFCC, you have to wonder where they find them.
by gilsey
Sun 03 Oct, 2021 9:04 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 2nd & Sunday 3rd October 2021
Replies: 45
Views: 570

Re: Saturday 2nd & Sunday 3rd October 2021

Summary of the CPC in the G: Queues for petrol and mass culls of pigs at farms because of a lack of abattoir workers are part of a necessary transition for Britain to emerge from a broken economic model based on low wages, Boris Johnson has argued. But the British Meat Processors Association said Jo...
by gilsey
Sun 03 Oct, 2021 5:05 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 2nd & Sunday 3rd October 2021
Replies: 45
Views: 570

Re: Saturday 2nd & Sunday 3rd October 2021

This is the quality of person the tories put forward, the previous one was rubbish too, in her own way.
by gilsey
Sun 03 Oct, 2021 9:17 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 2nd & Sunday 3rd October 2021
Replies: 45
Views: 570

Re: Saturday 2nd & Sunday 3rd October 2021

Q: But this is about pigs being incinerated, not killed for food, because of a shortage of people working in abbatoirs. Johnson says they cannot just go back, in all these areas, to the tired, old model, that involved people working on low wages. But there will be a “period of adjustment” as the ec...
by gilsey
Sun 03 Oct, 2021 9:08 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 2nd & Sunday 3rd October 2021
Replies: 45
Views: 570

Re: Saturday 2nd & Sunday 3rd October 2021

Been watching Johnson with Marr, who eventually seemed to realise that he couldn't just let Johnson prattle on so made an effort to keep him to the point. To no great effect. If you ran it again, paused for fact-checking in between Johnson's dodgy statements, it would probably take 2 hours. He relie...
by gilsey
Fri 01 Oct, 2021 4:33 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Friday, 1st October 2021
Replies: 22
Views: 372

Re: Friday, 1st October 2021

Is it possible to get rid of a PCC? We thought the previous one was rubbish but this guy....

Getting well and truly ratioed for his 'apology'.

by gilsey
Fri 01 Oct, 2021 9:08 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Friday, 1st October 2021
Replies: 22
Views: 372

Re: Friday, 1st October 2021

Following on from sky's QT review last night

by gilsey
Fri 01 Oct, 2021 9:00 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Friday, 1st October 2021
Replies: 22
Views: 372

Re: Friday, 1st October 2021

Kit Malthouse joined several other politicians and policing figures in rejecting mounting calls for Cressida Dick to resign, adding: She is a dedicated and talented and committed police officer who is driving the Metropolitan police to ever greater standards of care and improvement and fighting crim...
by gilsey
Thu 30 Sep, 2021 8:52 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Thursday 30th September 2021
Replies: 31
Views: 450

Re: Thursday 30th September 2021

Was supposed to be visiting the folks for their wedding anniversary this weekend but have had to cancel because my brother can't get any petrol. Ho-hum. I don't know what the situation is in town but no problems between here and Guisborough today, no queues, no 'no fule' signs, and a delivery to ou...
by gilsey
Thu 30 Sep, 2021 12:52 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Thursday 30th September 2021
Replies: 31
Views: 450

Re: Thursday 30th September 2021

More calls for Dick to resign.
I suppose the reason she appears to be unique in this regard is because most Commanders resign at the first time of asking. Historically, anyway.
by gilsey
Thu 30 Sep, 2021 12:05 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Thursday 30th September 2021
Replies: 31
Views: 450

Re: Thursday 30th September 2021

Between 1987 and 2013, surely basic social security was considerably more generous in real terms than it is now.
Having a fund for emergency or intermittent need is one thing, admitting people need it to live is another.
by gilsey
Thu 30 Sep, 2021 9:13 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Thursday 30th September 2021
Replies: 31
Views: 450

Re: Thursday 30th September 2021

DWP: The new household support fund will support millions of households in England and will be distributed by councils in England, who know their local areas best and can directly help those who need it most, including for example, through small grants to meet daily needs such as food, clothing, and...
by gilsey
Thu 30 Sep, 2021 9:03 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Thursday 30th September 2021
Replies: 31
Views: 450

Re: Thursday 30th September 2021

Dear me.
by gilsey
Wed 29 Sep, 2021 10:59 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Wednesday 29th September 2021
Replies: 10
Views: 264

Re: Wednesday 29th September 2021

Willow904 wrote: Wed 29 Sep, 2021 10:09 am they're bloody morons.
Yes.
by gilsey
Tue 28 Sep, 2021 5:27 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 28th September 2021
Replies: 32
Views: 488

Re: Tuesday 28th September 2021

a real political party would at least make space for debate. A real political party would question whether our current Brexit is working and have the vision to offer something different. Not kowtow to Tory bullshit propaganda. If Labour can't change people's minds they're not going to change anythi...
by gilsey
Tue 28 Sep, 2021 5:26 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 28th September 2021
Replies: 32
Views: 488

Re: Tuesday 28th September 2021

Don't you think our expectations are being successfully manoeuvred downwards since 2010?
And Labour doing sod all to change that now, despite herculean efforts from McDonnell.
by gilsey
Tue 28 Sep, 2021 1:57 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 28th September 2021
Replies: 32
Views: 488

Re: Tuesday 28th September 2021

What boomers want, boomers get. Said it the day after the last GE, and do again now - I doubt if meaningful change will be possible until large numbers of them have died off. Shouldn't that be "until large numbers of us have died off", or am I in a minority here? No you're not, or at leas...
by gilsey
Tue 28 Sep, 2021 1:49 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Tuesday 28th September 2021
Replies: 32
Views: 488

Re: Tuesday 28th September 2021



Pointless discussion.
by gilsey
Sun 26 Sep, 2021 9:50 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 25th & Sunday 26th September 2021
Replies: 50
Views: 937

Re: Saturday 25th & Sunday 26th September 2021

the voting district that has directly elected Angela Merkel in eight successive votes since 1990 has been won by the centre-left SPD
by gilsey
Sun 26 Sep, 2021 12:52 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 25th & Sunday 26th September 2021
Replies: 50
Views: 937

Re: Saturday 25th & Sunday 26th September 2021

Not this, either. in the conference hall Aden Harris, a delegate from Filton and Bradley Stoke CLP, has just delivered one of the most stirring speeches of the morning. It included this rebuke to Rachel Reeves, the shadow chancellor, who told the Sunday Times that she does not believe in the magic m...
by gilsey
Sun 26 Sep, 2021 12:37 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 25th & Sunday 26th September 2021
Replies: 50
Views: 937

Re: Saturday 25th & Sunday 26th September 2021

I'm no fan, but think that maybe does her a slight injustice. The govt's line on the £20 UC is that taxes would have to rise if they didn't make the cut. Be nice to hear RR, or any shadow minister, rebut that.* Apologies if she/they have and I've missed it. * I mean properly, on Keynesian lines, no...
by gilsey
Sun 26 Sep, 2021 12:03 pm
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 25th & Sunday 26th September 2021
Replies: 50
Views: 937

Re: Saturday 25th & Sunday 26th September 2021

I just happened to catch Nick Robinson interviewing Rachel Reeves on BBC News and she was actually not bad, came across quite well. The format seemed to suit her as it was a lengthy chat rather than an interrogation and some of the things she talked about, such as the long period of low interest ra...
by gilsey
Sun 26 Sep, 2021 9:01 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Saturday 25th & Sunday 26th September 2021
Replies: 50
Views: 937

Re: Saturday 25th & Sunday 26th September 2021

Like most things Labour are talking about, it seems aimed at a country/time other than the one we're living in. The NHS as it was, not as it is.
by gilsey
Thu 23 Sep, 2021 9:25 am
Forum: The Daily Politics
Topic: Thursday 23rd September 2021
Replies: 28
Views: 580

Re: Thursday 23rd September 2021

RogerOThornhill wrote: Thu 23 Sep, 2021 8:45 am
Might get round to reading the Starmer thing at some point.
Really you only need to read the sentence that inspired refitman's post above.

"we would build an effective partnership of state and private sector to prioritise the things that we have seen really matter: health ..."