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Saturday 25th & Sunday 26th June 2022

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Morning all.

Well, yesterday started quite well, then ended incredibly depressingly.
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Dan Hodges excelling even his normal "standards" this morning.
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Good morfternoon.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -of-brexit
The Observer
Brexit
‘What have we done?’: six years on, UK counts the cost of Brexit

Sectors from fishing to aviation, farming to science report being bogged down in red tape, struggling to recruit staff and racking up losses for the first time
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refitman wrote: Sat 25 Jun, 2022 10:23 am Thread -- unrolled ! :-)

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1540 ... 39264.html


Worrying that social workers are so close with the police , under this government particularly .
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PorFavor wrote: Sat 25 Jun, 2022 3:18 pm Good morfternoon.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -of-brexit
The Observer
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‘What have we done?’: six years on, UK counts the cost of Brexit

Sectors from fishing to aviation, farming to science report being bogged down in red tape, struggling to recruit staff and racking up losses for the first time
A reminder that the Tories arranged for the byelections to be held on the anniversary of the referendum, as they thought it would win them votes.
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What fun we had.
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And for all of (us) out there:

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On 23 June 2016, Geoffrey Betts, the managing director of a small office supplies business in Marlow, Buckinghamshire, had high hopes for his firm, and the British economy, [*][*]when he voted for Brexit.

“I thought we would be like … ‘here we go, here we go. We are going to become the most competitive country in Europe and we are going to be encouraging business.’ Now I think: ‘What have we done?’”
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Asked whether, with hindsight, he would vote Leave if there was a referendum today, Betts says: “I think on the basis of what has happened, I would say No.”
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tinyclanger2 wrote: Sat 25 Jun, 2022 6:43 pm
On 23 June 2016, Geoffrey Betts, the managing director of a small office supplies business in Marlow, Buckinghamshire, had high hopes for his firm, and the British economy, [*][*]when he voted for Brexit.

“I thought we would be like … ‘here we go, here we go. We are going to become the most competitive country in Europe and we are going to be encouraging business.’ Now I think: ‘What have we done?’”
It just baffles me. What did he think would happen?
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https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/br ... 26005.html
"My application has been rejected and we are on our way home – my wife is in tears,” said Costa-basted Brit Shaun Cromber, who admitted to voting Leave without “realis[ing] it would come to this”.
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Hello!

I'm reliably informed that they were superb last night.
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refitman wrote: Sat 25 Jun, 2022 6:59 pm
tinyclanger2 wrote: Sat 25 Jun, 2022 6:43 pm
On 23 June 2016, Geoffrey Betts, the managing director of a small office supplies business in Marlow, Buckinghamshire, had high hopes for his firm, and the British economy, [*][*]when he voted for Brexit.

“I thought we would be like … ‘here we go, here we go. We are going to become the most competitive country in Europe and we are going to be encouraging business.’ Now I think: ‘What have we done?’”
It just baffles me. What did he think would happen?
Magical thinking was strong amongst many Brexiteers.
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(@PF: Highly envious Clanger emoticon)
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Of course they've got to stay on , to spend more time with her wallpaper

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Meanwhile some of his own backbenchers want another chance to vote him out this summer, I'm sure those comments will delight them.
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One former supporter of the prime minister, an ex-cabinet minister, described Johnson’s remarks as “completely delusional”

Boris Johnson’s aspiration to serve for a third term ‘delusional’
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gilsey wrote: Sun 26 Jun, 2022 12:07 am
One former supporter of the prime minister, an ex-cabinet minister, described Johnson’s remarks as “completely delusional”
Boris Johnson’s aspiration to serve for a third term ‘delusional’
There's a great short vid out there from a few years ago, Johnson explaining his tactics . Basically you shoot out all sorts of stuff to confuse people, "like chaff from a helicopter" was one phrase . Decoys to attract incoming criticism while he continues blithely on...
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Long thread , ending with a ‘pro-lifer’ (TM Amol Rajan**) finally managing to murder her doctor, a second attempt.



BBC’s Amol Rajan criticised for using phrase ‘pro-life’ in Roe v Wade interview

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*A BBC spokesperson said: “The style guide suggests anti-abortion as the preferred term, but the use of the term pro-life by presenters and contributors is not against the BBC’s editorial guidelines.”
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/ ... -interview

Well it bloody well ought to be , it’s completely biased ! Rajan is a smart operator, he knows what words mean, so who is he aligned with ?
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Roe v Wade ticked off, but plenty more on the list, see below--

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frog222 wrote: Sun 26 Jun, 2022 9:43 am
*A BBC spokesperson said: “The style guide suggests anti-abortion as the preferred term, but the use of the term pro-life by presenters and contributors is not against the BBC’s editorial guidelines.”
Well it bloody well ought to be , it’s completely biased ! Rajan is a smart operator, he knows what words mean, so who is he aligned with ?
I was complaining yesterday about the bbc giving more or less equal prominence to pro- and anti-abortion demos in the US, it shouldn't be a subject for 'balance' in this country.
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Well we know that Amol Rajan was the editor of the Independent come the 2015 GE - when its owner Lebedev ordered from on high that it had to support the Tories, and he duly complied.

Against the wishes of the vast majority of its actual readership, who thus deserted in droves and brought about the demise of the paper edition.
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The BBC has a lot to answer for I'm afraid.
And it's all been in vain - their race to the bottom has failed to save them.
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Whoever decided that "balance" there should mean equal coverage given to truth and falsehood, indeed has a lot of responsibility for where we now are.
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Hi All some great posts here this weekend!

I’m currently chuckling at “awkward” facts for Starmer and Lammy, who, despite saying grown up politicians don’t join picket lines, clearly thought differently when pictured with the University UCU strikes three years ago 😆
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote: Sun 26 Jun, 2022 2:57 pm Hi All some great posts here this weekend!
I’m currently chuckling at “awkward” facts for Starmer and Lammy, who, despite saying grown up politicians don’t join picket lines, clearly thought differently when pictured with the University UCU strikes three years ago 😆
Hello PFY, they are as shameless as any Tory !
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Labour has now claimed the centre ground – and has shown it can win - Keir Starmer

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... it-can-win

Obi-Wan Kenobi

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8466564/

I finished waching Obi-Wan Kenobi at lunchtime then read Starmer's article afterwards and I couldn't help noticing their similarities. Both could easily have been churned out by AI text generators much dumber than the one that fooled the guy at Google. They're thin gruel, concocted of cliche ridden dialogue which is purposely bland in the hope of avoiding offence. There isn't a whiff of originality, they're utterly predictable, and they satisfy nobody. They're both so profoundly uninteresting that it's easier to give a resigned shrug than get annoyed about them. The excuse being made for Obi-Wan Kenobi is the lack of peril (because we know he isn't going to die) hamstrung the writers (which is bollocks, it's just awful writing), whereas Starmer has no such excuse. The peril he is in is very real. Disney can chuck dross like Kenobi out ad nauseam, but Starmer can't. At some point he has to start getting people to vote for the Labour party rather than against Johnson, because make no mistake about it, if the tories replace Johnson with someone remotely credible (and I accept that's a big if) then Labour are in trouble. To give him his due though in this comparison, as boring as Starmer is, at least he hasn't managed to make Darth Vader boring which was the Kenobi writers biggest sin.
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I see it everywhere - some (public) organisations are so afraid of trial by twitter that they have become over-reactive to/conciliatory towards the more deranged end of the spectrum.
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https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17600948
Have found someone to play SKS so he doesn't have to.
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Settling down to watch The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent. Spoiler free review to come later. Hopefully Nicolas is on fine form.
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The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11291274/

Well that was just dumb, stupid, and absolutely bloody brilliant!
It's my cousin. He must have known I wouldn't kill you.

I thought so. Which is why I should always trust my shamanic instincts as a thespian.
Nicolas Cage plays a semi-fictional Nicolas Cage, down on his luck with ex-wife and teenage daughter problems and apparently mildy psychotic as he keeps seeing a younger version of himself who reminds him that he is NICOLAS FUCKING CAGE! In desperate need of funds he agrees to go to Spain for a party held by Pedro Pascal (The Mandalorian, and he's excellent in this) for a million dollars. High jinks then ensue, involving kidnappings, the CIA, and conceptualising a movie while on acid. It's a bit hit and miss to begin with but gets sillier and crazier the longer it goes on until by the end it's just riding a wave of magnificent daftness. I absolutely loved it.

Is it a work of cinematic genius? No.

Is it a really silly, good natured film that'll make you feel better for having watched it? Absolutely.

I'd have to break the Cageometer with this one and give it at least 10 stars out of 5, and the beard was looking better. Nowhere near natural but an improvement on the Berlusconi's hair stuck on his face thing he's had going on of late.

It made me smile and occasionaly laugh, what more can I say?

(Edited because I said 'face' twice in the last couple of lines, which scanned badly so I had to take a face off, which is actually true and not a Nicolas Cage in-joke).
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OUf I hope people are masking ?

Down to a small minority around here, while I'm wondering whether to go on to the closer-fitting FFP2 job from the basic blue job . I certainly will if I have to go into a crowded space .
People are strange . Local chemist insisted on masks for a long time, then let up on them just as a resurgence was already detectable to some of us !

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Sky'sGoneOut wrote: Sun 26 Jun, 2022 10:23 pm (Edited because I said 'face' twice in the last couple of lines, which scanned badly so I had to take a face off, which is actually true and not a Nicolas Cage in-joke).
Wise move - or else PF would have been all over it.
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Could I just say sorry to AK for being a wee bit mocking in my not very good QT review the other night.

I have OCD and once something gets in my head there's no getting rid of it. At least for a while. In this case it was the idea that the brexit vote was increasingly historical. I knew what AK meant but the obsessed pedant in me couldn't let it go and I ended up being unnecessarily and boringly rude.

Not for the first time AK I owe you an apology.
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Nive vid** of the Bounder inveighing against the train drivers, who are NOT on strike .

He really DOES make it all up as he goes along , as with Nazanin Z-R ...



** I expect some more organised people are keeping these for historical and Truth Commission reasons, they are masterpieces for the clinical record ...
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tinyclanger2 wrote: Sun 26 Jun, 2022 11:14 pm Wise move - or else PF would have been all over it.
It's true, she doesn't suffer fools gladly. Well except you.
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It's a gift.
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Or maybe it's a sin?
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I must admit I'm no fan of the Pet Shop Boys but they did get me my first blow job so it would be churlish not to pay them some obeisance.
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I'm extremely disappointed in David Lammy. As for Keir Starmer - unless Labour has had success in seriously redefining the centre-ground, then I'm not interested.
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Our Lady has risen.

Do you wish us to reprimand this 'Lammy''?

I only ask because I think he might be right.
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In case it's escaped anyone's attention the last time the tories were ousted was in 1997 and that was due in a large part to tactical voting.

I know it seems like this week's cause celebre but tactical voting is nothing new and it only really works when voters of other parties are prepared to vote for you.

So maybe being boring and keeping schtum is the best tactic.

Maybe we're all wrong.
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It's one thing to keep your powder dry, and quite another to donate it to the other side.
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In case it's escaped anyone's attention the last time the tories were ousted was in 1997 and that was due in a large part to tactical voting.

I know it seems like this week's cause celebre but tactical voting is nothing new and it only really works when voters of other parties are prepared to vote for you.

So maybe being boring and keeping schtum is the best tactic.

Maybe we're all wrong.
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I've nothing against tactical voting. My last post was a reference back to David Lammy.
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