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Morning all.
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Latin! Seriously?!

I never did Latin and yet was still able to study Ancient and Medieval History at university. You only need it for Classics really. If you've already done Latin, it makes German easier for sure, but if you want to learn German it would be far more beneficial to start earlier rather than waste time on Latin first.
Meanwhile lots of kids who would like to do Computer Science GCSE can't because there aren't enough teachers or resources. My son had to commute to another school to do it. But yeah, let's ignore the shrinking of GCSE options due to austerity cuts and waffle on about a dead language that's only useful for people who want a degree in a dead language. Ffs.
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Latin is useful if you are interested in studying languages more generally, otherwise not so much.
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Willow904 wrote: Sat 31 Jul, 2021 9:21 am Latin! Seriously?!

I never did Latin and yet was still able to study Ancient and Medieval History at university. You only need it for Classics really. If you've already done Latin, it makes German easier for sure, but if you want to learn German it would be far more beneficial to start earlier rather than waste time on Latin first.
Meanwhile lots of kids who would like to do Computer Science GCSE can't because there aren't enough teachers or resources. My son had to commute to another school to do it. But yeah, let's ignore the shrinking of GCSE options due to austerity cuts and waffle on about a dead language that's only useful for people who want a degree in a dead language. Ffs.
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Good afternoon.

There are orgs around at the moment who do the whole Latin in schools stuff. So I'm confident that they will be completely ignored and the 'expert group' will consist of their chosen chums. Wonder which one of the usual suspects is after a job?

And as some have pointed out this comes at a time when Humanities in HE are coming under increasing attack from the Government. Joined up thinking anyone?

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Interesting. I looked yesterday just out of curiosity and noticed they didn't teach it. And she's right about replacements.

But given that it might appeal to only a few in each school this is where an LA-wide peripatetic teacher would come into play as for teaching musical instruments. But we know what they think about LAs...

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I checked a memory, the Great Moderniser TBlair removed them from the core curriculum, from 2016--
The unfortunate demise of language learning
"With Brexit isolationism and English speakers resting on their laurels, Charlie Stone stresses the importance of engaging in foreign languages"
https://www.varsity.co.uk/culture/10888
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in all honesty i found latin handy for biology
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then again i studied biology without having studied biology (if you see what i mean) so perhaps not a great benchmark
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There are always certain subjects where school puts you off for life.
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Caecilius est pater
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The only Latin you should ever need to know:

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It seems that our PM is doing his utmost to head off any coming "demographic deficit" single handedly.
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More er publicity for the Royals
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Piers Corbyn is also in the MONEY --

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/p ... -v694f290c

" Perhaps I was distracted" , he said .

Easily done :D
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frog222 wrote: Sun 01 Aug, 2021 9:55 am Piers Corbyn is also in the MONEY --

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/p ... -v694f290c

" Perhaps I was distracted" , he said .

Easily done :D
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And people moaned about his brother.......
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I think it's safe to say that Chris Bryant has had better mornings.

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Has Chris Bryant ever been there ?

Couldn't be bothered to look him up, but i guess at a Blairite now Starmerite, with a nice line in unfounded and malicious accusations of antisemitism ????
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Bryant has always been a bit peculiar.

I presume you know about his "but what if we have to INVADE RUSSIA!!" comment to Corbyn?
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AK -- I know very little about him ! But going by that 'Marxism' thing have strong doubts !
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HAHAHA ChrisBryant closely linked to the Henry Jackson Society --

https://www.voice.wales/exposed-rhondda ... lobbyists/
Lobbying

The organisation is grand in scale, self-congratulating it’s events capacity in charity filings as being “the busiest in the Westminster world” and in 2019 splashing £1.2million on lobbying activity.

The group has also been loose with giving thousands of pounds in cash donations to hard-right politicians like Priti Patel and Michael Gove.

Gove believes “a sizeable minority” of British Muslims hold “rejectionist Islamist views”, whilst Patel has explored the possibility of confining migrants seeking asylum to processing centres built on tiny islands in the South Atlantic Ocean. Just this week, she ordered the deportation of around 50 Black British residents to Jamaica in an episode reminiscent of the Windrush scandal.


Whilst the HJS has given money to these politicians, Bryant has consistently voted against tougher regulation of lobbyists in Westminster.

In the past the HJS has been quiet about its funding sources, to the extent that in 2014 the organisation withdrew funding from two parliamentary groups rather than reveal who its private donors were.

Despite this, the Foreign Affairs Committee, on which Bryant sits, still found the Henry Jackson Society to be an authoritative source on foreign policy.

Co-founded in 2005 by Dr Alan Mendoza and a number of other free market activists, the think-tank has often been found influencing Conservative party rhetoric on foreign affairs.
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Whoops, that didn't last well, did it ...
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frog222 wrote: Sun 01 Aug, 2021 12:59 pm HAHAHA ChrisBryant closely linked to the Henry Jackson Society --

https://www.voice.wales/exposed-rhondda ... lobbyists/
Lobbying

The organisation is grand in scale, self-congratulating it’s events capacity in charity filings as being “the busiest in the Westminster world” and in 2019 splashing £1.2million on lobbying activity.

The group has also been loose with giving thousands of pounds in cash donations to hard-right politicians like Priti Patel and Michael Gove.

Gove believes “a sizeable minority” of British Muslims hold “rejectionist Islamist views”, whilst Patel has explored the possibility of confining migrants seeking asylum to processing centres built on tiny islands in the South Atlantic Ocean. Just this week, she ordered the deportation of around 50 Black British residents to Jamaica in an episode reminiscent of the Windrush scandal.


Whilst the HJS has given money to these politicians, Bryant has consistently voted against tougher regulation of lobbyists in Westminster.

In the past the HJS has been quiet about its funding sources, to the extent that in 2014 the organisation withdrew funding from two parliamentary groups rather than reveal who its private donors were.

Despite this, the Foreign Affairs Committee, on which Bryant sits, still found the Henry Jackson Society to be an authoritative source on foreign policy.

Co-founded in 2005 by Dr Alan Mendoza and a number of other free market activists, the think-tank has often been found influencing Conservative party rhetoric on foreign affairs.
Is Bryant still associated with them?

Apparently, one of its co-founders is said to be ashamed of its anti-Muslim position. It does seem to have become more stridently right wing over the years.
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That co-founder clearly isn't Douglas Murray then - utterly repellent individual.
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I looked around , no sign that he's distanced himself from the HJS ...
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HZHAHAHA §

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Looks like various forrins are catching up on the English vaxx rate, but there's an argument to help Saj and the other bloke in their endeavours .
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Watched a Kingfisher today for an hour in Roundhay Park in Leeds. In the sun it was like some shimmering blue missile.

I was there with my friend, he hadn't seen a Kingfisher since he was a child.

From what we could tell nobody else noticed or paid the slightest bit of attention.
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Also I've not been feeling full of beans over the last few days, constant runny nose and cough, headaches, and today I had to sit down after walking a couple of miles, I was knackered.

Hmm...

Covid or a mix of hay fever and sloth?
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Re the Latin thing.

I wonder whether they have someone in mind to lead this 'expert group'?

Consider the West London Free School curriculum.

Key Stage 3 (Years 7, 8 and 9)
For the first three years at the school, pupils will follow a broad and challenging academic programme that closely follows the National Curriculum in Key Stage 3. Alongside English, maths and the sciences, every Year 7 pupil will study Latin and ancient history during classics lessons. History lessons focus on the events that have shaped the British Isles and the wider world, delivered in chronological order from the Anglo-Saxons to the 20th century. In geography lessons, pupils focus on the processes that shape the natural world, while divinity teaches the origins and beliefs of the world’s main faiths. All pupils will have the opportunity to study a modern language (either French or Spanish), develop their creative flair in art and music and enjoy a healthy competitiveness in games and PE.
And from the DfE announcement.
In addition to learning Latin, the new programme announced today will include activities such as visits to Roman heritage sites to give pupils a deeper understanding of Classics, and life in the ancient world.
Could it be that they have in mind the founder of the WLFS? Or maybe the current co-head who is a Tory favourite?

We'll see...
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I have a degree in Classics.

I never studied Latin.
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Don't get me wrong I had to go to many interminable lectures comparing ancient Greek vowels to Etrustscan and hence to Latin but I was there for people with big swords fighting monsters.
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Nice to see you back Roger.
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Sky'sGoneOut wrote: Sun 01 Aug, 2021 9:41 pm Also I've not been feeling full of beans over the last few days, constant runny nose and cough, headaches, and today I had to sit down after walking a couple of miles, I was knackered.

Hmm...

Covid or a mix of hay fever and sloth?
Hay fever season not over for about another month, so could be.
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