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Good morfternoon.
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Yo.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -nosedived

Paris is increasingly convinced the British prime minister is not interested in solving the bilateral problems weighing down the relationship, and instead wants to use France as a running sore to keep Brexit alive in British politics.
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@tinyclanger2

Hello!
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tinyclanger2 wrote: Sat 16 Oct, 2021 7:13 am
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -nosedived

Paris is increasingly convinced the British prime minister is not interested in solving the bilateral problems weighing down the relationship, and instead wants to use France as a running sore to keep Brexit alive in British politics.
What took them so long?
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Though also let's not forget that Macron is up for re-election next year.
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Hello!
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:tumble :tumble :tumble
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Hello there.

Anybody else about?
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yes.
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Am concerned about democracy but can't be arsed thinking about it. So:

In, say, not more than 25 words, how would you describe a potato to someone who didn't know what one was?
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For example:

Vincent van Gogh (may have) described them as "really hard to paint".
https://www.vangoghmuseum.nl/en/about/n ... asterpiece
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Labour and LibDems will not contest the coming Southend W byelection, probably the right decision now that the cause looks like a terrorist act.
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Why? I thought that we weren't meant to be allowing terrorism to interfere with our democracy etc, etc. Not contesting an election would appear to be doing exactly the opposite.

However, given that only the Conservatives are in with any chance of winning this one, I suppose there's nothing to lose by looking gracious.
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Something, something, politicising things....
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There's also the (2016) Batley and Spen precedent.
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... at-our-mps
Commons Speaker: We must end the hatred aimed at our MPs
Obviously I agree with the notion - but it's not just MPs is it. Hatred is commonplace and aimed at everyone and scares me at least as much as does climate change.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02741-x
"I hope you die’: how the COVID pandemic unleashed attacks on scientists

For example. Or:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... long-waits
NHS staff face rising tide of abuse from patients provoked by long waits

One suspects it's the modern approach to politics that's driving this.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... tin-russia
"We worked out how to take their outrage, how to take their pain – in your case – and feed it back into the system. You know we spent £12-14m on the campaign? And we calculated what our column inches and TV coverage was worth. It was over £150m .”
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Even relatively innocuous stuff (eg council planning decisions) can attract a stream of online invective these days.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote: Sun 17 Oct, 2021 9:26 am Even relatively innocuous stuff (eg council planning decisions) can attract a stream of online invective these days.
I think back to when I was a kid and unknown adults would tell us off if we were smoking/misbehaving on the bus (and we'd stop). No-one would do that nowadays (the adults would be scared to and the kids would accuse them of some kind of heinous discrimination). I wonder whether this is all part of the same thing.

Admittedly Sky's story from the other week says otherwise, and I did take my hat off to him when I read it.
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Yeah, we knew a vaccine was the only solution and then we decided not to necessarily use it.

Like masks and social distancing.
I mean why bother doing a bunch of really simple things to stop a fatal disease in its tracks.
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Those anti-mask conspirators have a lot to answer for

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Its airborne, but not very.

I still wear my mask in certain places, for the record.
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It is now clear that SARS-CoV-2 transmits mostly between people at close range through inhalation. This does not mean that transmission through contact with surfaces or that the longer range airborne route does not occur, but these routes of transmission are less important during brief everyday interactions over the usual 1 m conversational distance. In close range situations, people are much more likely to be exposed to the virus by inhaling it than by having it fly through the air in large droplets to land on their eyes, nostrils, or lips.The transmission of SARS-CoV-2 after touching surfaces is now considered to be relatively minimal.

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n913
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I think it depends where you are in the UK. Small villages with aging populations still seem to be a bit more interested in masks (though I have not engaged in a detailed assessment of this so I may be talking b******s.)

It's happened before.
(Believe it or not).
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Oh, you know me - I'll believe anything. Remember remembering the 80s?
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Looks rather like the Daily Heil told a pack of lies about David Amess dying and the RC priest.

Anybody surprised?
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I think I remember remembering the 80s but can't remember exactly it was I was remembering or why.
I certainly remember the decade in question.
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Huh, who'd have thought.

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This is disquieting:
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... t-so-toxic
In 2011, sociologists Charlotte Ward and David Voas coined the term “conspirituality”. Ward defined it as “a rapidly growing web movement expressing an ideology fuelled by political disillusionment and the popularity of alternative worldviews”. It describes the sticky intersection of two worlds: the world of yoga and juice cleanses with that of New Age thinking and online theories about secret groups, covertly controlling the universe. It’s a place where you might typically see a vegan influencer imploring their followers to stick to a water fast rather than getting vaccinated, or a meditation instructor reminding her clients of the dangers of 5G, or read an Instagram comment explaining that vaccines are hiding tracking devices. It’s a place where the word “scamdemic” might comfortably run up the side of a pair of yoga pants.
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... ill-brexit
Am interested in more intelligent people's views on this (than mine). Will it (influence British voters?)
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I always enjoy Keegan's columns, although it has been pointed out that he's been writing the same one for 5 years.

I like this phrase
An economic omelette is being ruinously unscrambled.

All my adult life I've believed that between 30 & 40% of the Uk population are selfish arseholes, they seem to have now coalesced into a pool of tory voters. What's the likelihood of those people turning against Brexit? However bad it gets for them, as long as they can still point to some having it even worse they don't seem to mind.

I've also always believed that we should have PR. What's the likelihood of Labour as a party supporting it?

One more very unlikely event would be 'sensible' tories coming out of the woodwork and getting rid of the current bunch of wreckers.

Struggling to think of any other scenarios for a change for the better. My glass is half empty.
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Electoral reform wasn't far off passing at the Labour conference last month, if that is any comfort.
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Well I learned a couple of lessons this week. Never go out and drink ten pints when you have a sinus infection and the drugs do work (or do they?).

Phenylephrine Hydrochloride in this case. After days of feeling like a sadistic alien parasite was crawling around in my forehead occasionaly taking a holiday in my eyes or teeth causing extra pain for the sheer hell of it I'd had enough. I'd done the stupid bloke thing and tried ignoring it and hoping it would go away on its own without me having to do anything as if that was some kind of act of stoic heroism and it didn't work. If anything it got worse. So I did a bit of reading, went and bought some pills, took one, and within a couple of hours it was gone.

The funny thing is though, in the U.S the FDA (food and drugs administration) is trying to ban Phenylephrine Hydrochloride from being sold because in their tests it's been shown to be no better than a placebo at relieving sinus pain.

Frankly I couldn't care less if my stupid brain has been tricked. It wouldn't be the first time and it won't be the last.
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gilsey wrote: Sun 17 Oct, 2021 9:46 pm I've also always believed that we should have PR. What's the likelihood of Labour as a party supporting it?
I would say none whatsoever. The Labour party, at least the left of it, is full of idealists who think if they win one election everything they do is going to be so wonderful nobody is ever going to be able to undo it. Utopian dreamers with absolutely no wish to compromise because they think they only need to get lucky once.

I suspect most of us have spent much of our lives around such people, they're lovely, earnest, kind, and utterly deluded.

If anything steers Labour towards genuinely supporting electoral reform it won't be for our benefit, it'll be because it's the only way they think they can gain power.
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It's a sad thing that they haven't the wit to realise, or probably the guts to admit, that it is the only way that they might gain power.
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They'd rather lose elections, thereby throwing god know how many people to the wolves and apparently not caring that that's what they're doing, than lose face.
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PorFavor wrote: Sun 17 Oct, 2021 11:44 pm It's a sad thing that they haven't the wit to realise, or probably the guts to admit, that it is the only way that they might gain power.
Ever since they lost Scotland. Surely they don’t think that’s magically going to change.
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I think they do think that. Or at least, for some bizarre reason, think that they should act as though they think it.
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Indeed. They like to talk about alleviating poverty while their party is spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on lawyers fighting itself.

Clowns.

There was talk in the Guardian about which was the best Blondie song.

1: Atomic.

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2: Union City Blue

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3: Heart Of Glass.

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