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Morning all.
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Morning refit
From last night @Roger
I note that ex-BBC man John Ware is giving Gary Linekar lectures in how he should keep his mouth shut as he is passionate about BBC impartiality.

In other news, John Ware was part of a consortium that bought the JC led by one Robbie Gibb.

Anyone know what Gibb is up to these days?
Didn't know about the connection to the awful JC !
The winning bid was led by Sir Robbie Gibb, a former BBC executive who worked in Downing Street throughout the Brexit negotiation process. It is also backed by a group including former charity commission chairman William Shawcross, ex-Labour MP John Woodcock, and journalist John Ware who made a recent Panorama investigation into allegations of antisemitism in the Labour party.

Others whose names are attached to the consortium include broadcaster Jonathan Sacerdoti and Rabbi Jonathan Hughes of Radlett United Synagogue, along with a number of financiers and lawyers.
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The outgoing Jewish Chronicle boss, Alan Jacobs, said the new owners had pledged to invest millions of pounds in the outlet and would repay the private donors who saved the Jewish Chronicle when it was under threat last year. He went on to reference the publication’s recent coverage of the former Labour leader: “Those donors can be proud that their combined generosity allowed the JC to survive long enough to help to see off Jeremy Corbyn and friends, one of the greatest threats to face British Jewry in the JC’s existence.”
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/ ... ver-battle

Gibb is now a leader in the Tory army of occupation at the BBC --

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Indeed, the JC should absolutely not be regarded as a reliable source these days.
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Oh look.

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Sharp, Davie and Gibb all need to go - that would at least be a start as far as the BBC getting its credibility back is concerned.
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" His “bombshell defence dossier”, as his friends call it, will include messages from Mr Johnson’s advisers sent shortly before he spoke in Parliament advising him that no Covid rules had been broken in Number 10, The Telegraph understands.
“It contains new evidence that helps his case,” a source close to Mr Johnson’s defence team said. “His case is that he told Parliament what he believed to be true at the time. There is documentary evidence which will show that he was advised to say what he went on and said.”
Torygraph

So other people scripted some lies for him to tell and he was totally unaware of government policy crafted by his government so believed what he was told ?

More accurately he has a limited contact with reality so will say anything at all just to get by.

Truly a "shapeshifting creep" !
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From The Times

Mikhail Shishkin wrestles daily with the agonising dilemma so many great Russian writers — Pushkin, Turgenev, Tolstoy and Solzhenitsyn — have faced over hundreds of years: if your country is a monster, do you love it or hate it?

In wartime, as now, the problem has profound urgency. Do you want your fatherland to win or lose? “It seems a strange question to ask someone who loves his country,” he writes in this passionate cri de coeur. “But when it concerns a state that has spent centuries letting neither its own nor other people live, it turns out not to be strange at all.”

Shishkin is the most prominent Russian novelist of his generation. To compare him to Solzhenitsyn is no exaggeration. He is the only contemporary Russian author to have won all three of Russia’s most prestigious literary awards (including the Russian Booker). With a Russian father and a Ukrainian mother, he has lived in exile in Switzerland for the past 18 years; he opposed the annexation of Crimea in 2014 and is an outspoken critic of Putin and the “special military operation” in Ukraine.

His novels and stories deal with the classic theme in so much of Russian literature: how to live truthfully within a despotism built on lies. But My Russia is more direct and journalistic than his fiction. For anyone who wants to understand how Russia has remained the state it is — whether under tsarism, communism or Putinism — this is a good place to start.

Many people in the US and western Europe assumed that when communism collapsed, capitalism and an open society would “return”. But that fundamentally misunderstood Russia and is at the root of why western policy since then has been so deeply flawed.

Shishkin’s essential point —and the crucial thing that westerners should grasp about his homeland (but often don’t) — is just how deep-rooted “unfreedom”, as Christopher Hitchens called it, has been, and continues to be, in the Russian way of life.

” He traces Russian history from the Mongol invasion by Genghis Khan, through Muscovy under Ivan the Terrible, the three centuries of autocracy under the Romanovs, the Soviet Union under Stalin and the siloviki — “the men of force” — around the leader now. Theories of government have barely changed among those in power, and nor has the ingrained acceptance of the state of things among most of the Russian people.

Serfdom was officially abolished in 1861, but continued under the communists — albeit with a different name because in the USSR nobody believed themselves free, but, rather, the property of the state. For most Russians the cult of personality around the vozhd (the boss) is as strong as ever.

Westerners have also struggled to grasp Russia’s economic history. Shishkin points out rightly that there has never been a free market in Russia as we understand it, principally because there were and are no western-type laws about ownership. Russia possessed rich aristocrats, but under the semi-feudal system of the Romanovs the state (that is, the tsar) effectively owned the land and merely granted certain rights to the nobility. Under the communists nobody was allowed to own anything — even top communist magnates lived in state-owned palaces. It has been said that in the mafia-capitalism that Boris Yeltsin created, and Putin built on, a few oligarchs stole the state. This is only partially true. Even the oligarchs don’t have real freedom; the state is still in control. Nobody can own anything significant in Russia unless the state — ie the boss — permits it.

That is the principal reason, as Shishkin brilliantly explains, why the new breed of mega-rich Russians stashed their loot in the West. In a sense, everyone in Putin’s Russia is still a serf. “Today you have a business; tomorrow someone in a uniform with epaulettes takes it away,’ he writes. “Today you own a flat in Moscow; tomorrow there’s a ‘clean-up’ and you’re ‘voluntarily’ rehoused. Today you’re an oligarch; tomorrow you’ll be lying in a cot in a prison cell.”

There were two points at which Russia’s ever-repeating cycle of one autocrat replacing another equally ghastly one might have been broken. In 1917 the Bolsheviks permitted a democratic parliament to exist for 13 hours before closing it down for the next 70 years. Then, after 1991, there was a brief halcyon period when anything seemed possible. But economic and administrative chaos, uncontrolled inflation when millions of people lost their life savings — and a desperate yearning for order and a strong leader — brought the new vozhd to power, where he has remained since the first day of this millennium.

Soviet lies about equality have been replaced by ultra-nationalist lies about restoring Peter the Great’s empire. So-called victory, according to Putin, starts — it does not end — with Ukraine’s return to Russia. Still, Shishkin, like so many Russian exiles before him, is hopeful. He sees a path forward in which the depressing cycle of Russian history can be broken. For him, it’s possible to be patriotic and to believe that the only victory for Russia is defeat for Putin in Ukraine. He concludes this important book with a wish, and a plausible prediction: “The empire of the Tsars dissolved within months. The Soviet Union broke up in three days. The Putinist ‘vertical of power’ will fall apart in hours.” It is not far-fetched to believe he will be right. ”
Well, what on earth might replace Putin, better or worse ?
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I think we've found the voting fraud, that the Tories are always banging on about

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@refit - this bit down the bottom means that they can sort the Con voters from others ...then POTENTIALLY treat others accordingly . So they've been monkeying around with the form ??

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frog222 wrote: Sun 19 Mar, 2023 9:43 am
Well, what on earth might replace Putin, better or worse ?
Putin might well be replaced by another imperialist nationalist, yes.

But will anybody else quite share his Duginist obsession that Ukraine *must* be returned to Russia?
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Funny thing is, she isn't all that popular even with her "target" voters.
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