Wednesday 13th July 2016

thatchersorphan · Post by **thatchersorphan** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 5:46 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nhs ... 34881.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; The total UK Private Finance Initiatives (PFI) debt is over £300bn. To put it more simply: this debt would cover the entire NHS budget for approximately two and a half years

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 5:54 pm

Good news about your son danesclose. Must be a relief for all of you.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 5:54 pm

Amazing to think that a few months ago Osborne was still being talked about as the successor PM when Cameron packed in maybe 2019 yet he's almost certainly not even going to be Chancellor.

For an allegedly sharp political operator that's a crushing blow.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 5:54 pm

No ohsocynical today?

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 5:55 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Amazing to think that a few months ago Osborne was still being talked about as the successor PM when Cameron packed in maybe 2019 yet he's almost certainly not even going to be Chancellor.

For an allegedly sharp political operator that's a crushing blow.

It's rumoured he won't even be in the cabinet. Hope he's kept up on the towel-folding, it's nice to have a skill to fall back on.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 5:57 pm

Welcome back Adam.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 6:04 pm

Thankfully...for both.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 6:06 pm

Isn't this the Birmingham speech? Makes me wonder what she knew and when.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 6:07 pm

May is talking a good talk. If she delivers half of what she promises it'll be a miracle.
Maybe she is a better sort of Tory. Let's hope so.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 6:07 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
The extent to which Cameron's referendum has changed the political fortunes of a whole swathe of prominent politicans is actually pretty astounding. Six weeks ago, who would have guessed that the careers of Cameron, Osborne, Gove and, in particular, Johnson would be over by now?

Not so sure about Gove - he was saying the right things about prisons...but it's well-known that May dislikes him. The spat over...er...something...cost May one of her SpAds, so you might be right. 50/50- that one.

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 6:09 pm

yahyah wrote:Good news about your son danesclose. Must be a relief for all of you.

Thank you. Yes it is, still won't stop him standing up for his beliefs though.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 6:12 pm

yahyah wrote:May is talking a good talk. If she delivers half of what she promises it'll be a miracle.
Maybe she is a better sort of Tory. Let's hope so.

Let's see who she appoints to which posts. As I said earlier today - please not Priti Patel. And the thought of Chris Grayling as "Brexit" head honcho is a worry.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 6:13 pm

I got punched on the face by a senior copper, as a young anti-fascist protestor many moons ago.
Both my arms were linked with other people in a peaceful demonstration, and I presented no threat.
He obviously felt like smacking a small young woman for fun. Never got hurt by a National Front member.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 6:20 pm

Oh, this happened too...

Local authorities can't set up academy chains, Nicky Morgan tells councillors

https://www.tes.com/news/school-news/br ... rgan-tells

Responding to a question as to whether councils could establish multi-academy trusts (MATs), at a committee hearing of the County Councils Network in Westminster today, Ms Morgan said: “That is something that we are not intending to do.

“At the moment, local authorities will not be able to set up MATs. They will only be able to have an interest [as trustees or as members on the board of a MAT] up to 19.9 per cent. That at the moment is the rule, and that is how we are expecting to stay."

Her comments come after the Education Policy Institute, a thinktank chaired by the former Liberal Democrat schools minister David Laws, issued a report calling for local authorities to be granted the power to establish academy trusts.

OK, so full academisation by 2020 or even 2022 is dead. Not remotely possible.

and this just displays her ignorance.

Ms Morgan said it was possible for local authorities to have a role by setting up trading companies that could sell services to academy chains in their borough and beyond.

1. They don't need to set anything up and
2. They sell edu services to maintained schools and academies now!

Andy Jolley ‏@ajjolley 7h7 hours ago
@ROTSchools @tes @NickyMorgan01 many use LA catering, music and sports support

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 6:30 pm

minch wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:
minch wrote:If no one gets 50% then the last place votes are distributed till someone does. For the deputy leader it took a few goes. Was there bad PR after the deputy leader result?
I think it's fair to say that the circumstances here are somewhat different to the ones for the deputy several months ago.

Imagine:

Corbyn 49%
Smith 21%
Eagle 10%
Watson 10%
Burnham 8% (poor Andy, sniff)
Kendall 2%
Cooper 0%

The potential for something like that really isn't going to look good for the PLP - unity? What unity?
Good grief no spoilt votes

Burnham 8%
Kendall 2%

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 6:32 pm

yahyah wrote:I got punched on the face by a senior copper, as a young anti-fascist protestor many moons ago.
Both my arms were linked with other people in a peaceful demonstration, and I presented no threat.
He obviously felt like smacking a small young woman for fun. Never got hurt by a National Front member.

Similar happened to me whilst peacefully picketing during the miners' strike (I'm from the NE & was defending my relatives' jobs, in case anyone thinks I got what I deserved).
My son is currently involved in mass litigation against the Met for wrongful arrest when he and others were kettled during an anti-fascist demo in London, illegally as it turns out.
The Met have offered approximately 50 of them £3,000 each in compensation. They are currently deciding whether to accept it or hold out for more.
That's at least £150,000 coming from our money yet as usual n o-one will be held accountable.

TR'sGhost · Post by **TR'sGhost** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 6:34 pm

yahyah wrote:May is talking a good talk. If she delivers half of what she promises it'll be a miracle.
Maybe she is a better sort of Tory. Let's hope so.

Hm.

Thatcher stood on the No. 10 doorstep, quoted St Francis and promosed nice things.

Cameron promised to be the "greenest government ever", to care for the disabled, to protect the NHS and endless other "we're no longer nasty" soundbites even as his government did the opposite of what he claimed he wanted.

I hold out little hope for May. Even if she means it, being to the left of some of the PLP factions isn't exactly difficult after Progress has spent 20 years outflanking the Tories from the right as part of a strategy to become the Democrats to the Tory Republicans. Two parties, neither with mass membership, both funded by corporations, financiers and rich individuals, both relying mostly on getting support from the UK's media to make them popular, agreeing on most issues and fighting it out over peripheral ones and personalities, and who has the most expensive suit, best PR and shiniest smile.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 6:34 pm

PorFavor wrote:
yahyah wrote:May is talking a good talk. If she delivers half of what she promises it'll be a miracle.
Maybe she is a better sort of Tory. Let's hope so.
Let's see who she appoints to which posts. As I said earlier today - please not Priti Patel. And the thought of Chris Grayling as "Brexit" head honcho is a worry.

Not to belittle the prospect of Patel being handed DWP, but Boris rumoured to get DCMS? Christ, he's flipping well stalking me.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 6:36 pm

Austin Mitchell ‏@AVMitchell2010 22m22 minutes ago

Theresa May's acceptance speech makes her the first Labour Prime Minister since Callaghan.good to see it.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 6:44 pm

yahyah wrote:I got punched on the face by a senior copper, as a young anti-fascist protestor many moons ago.
Both my arms were linked with other people in a peaceful demonstration, and I presented no threat.
He obviously felt like smacking a small young woman for fun. Never got hurt by a National Front member.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. It's not inconceivable that said copper was also NF.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 7:08 pm

Philip Hammond, the foreign secretary, has just gone into Numbe 10.

He is being tipped to emerge as chancellor. (Politics Live, Guardian)

How quickly does a departing chancellor usually move out? (For some reason, I can't remember.)

Anyway, I hope they give George Osborne enough time to have a thorough dust around . . .

Edited to remove an "l"

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 7:26 pm

Well...

Faisal Islam ‏@faisalislam 7m7 minutes ago

It is Official - @PHammondMP is Chancellor, and @George_Osborne has resigned from Government

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 7:30 pm

Show's been throwing stuff at the telly again.

Turned on the BBC 6 o'clock news and what we did we get? 15 minutes of bloody coronation crapola complete with dramatic music.
Helicopter views of the route to the palace, bloody ridiculous.
The the news comes on and it's more of the bloody same. Sans music.

AAARRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 7:31 pm

PorFavor wrote:

Philip Hammond, the foreign secretary, has just gone into Numbe 10.

He is being tipped to emerge as chancellor. (Politics Live, Guardian)
How quickly does a departing chancellor usually move out? (For some reason, I can't remember.)

Anyway, I hope they give George Osborne enough time to have a thorough dust around . . .

Hah!

That white stuff just gets everywhere, doesn't it?

Edited to remove an "l"

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 7:32 pm

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 7:34 pm

ephemerid wrote:Show's been throwing stuff at the telly again.

AAARRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!

I hear you can get nice, new, reasonably priced ones for around £8,000 . . .

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 7:36 pm

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Hate crimes against disabled people soar by 40 per cent in a year

pala · Post by **pala** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 7:37 pm

Misleading Headline on the front of The Graun:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ret-ballot

I think his reasoning would have been that the NEC is composed of delegates who are responsible to those who voted them into their position. They need to be accountable. And, of course, he did not do so in order to 'endorse' anything.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 7:39 pm

Theresa May is going to defy right/left labels. She'll be "right" on immigration, security. "Left" on social inclusion. Best of luck to her.
— Tim Montgomerie ن (@montie) July 13, 2016

So... the Blairites will be delighted with her then. Finally, an heir to The Messiah they can get fully behind. Horrifically authoritarian too. So even more delightful for them.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 7:41 pm

pala wrote:Misleading Headline on the front of The Graun

You don't say.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 7:41 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:

Must have been Michael Green. Easy mistake to make, eh.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 7:43 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Well...

Faisal Islam ‏@faisalislam 7m7 minutes ago

It is Official - @PHammondMP is Chancellor, and @George_Osborne has resigned from Government

or...

Tom Newton Dunn Verified account
‏@tnewtondunn

Breaking: George Osborne was sacked. Theresa May told him she didn't want him in her Cabinet. Wow.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 7:46 pm

Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary? (BBC)

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 7:46 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:Well...

Faisal Islam ‏@faisalislam 7m7 minutes ago

It is Official - @PHammondMP is Chancellor, and @George_Osborne has resigned from Government
or...

Tom Newton Dunn Verified account
‏@tnewtondunn

Breaking: George Osborne was sacked. Theresa May told him she didn't want him in her Cabinet. Wow.

Woo hoo!

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 7:49 pm

PorFavor wrote:Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary? (BBC)

Laura Kuenssberg Verified account
‏@bbclaurak

Boris Johnson confirmed as foreign secretary

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 7:52 pm

Hmm...

Nick Cohen
‏@NickCohen4

May making sure it will be the Brexiteers who are accused of selling out an impossible cause

Interesting theory...

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 7:54 pm

Amber Rudd Home Secretary (BBC).

David Davis now walking up to 10 Downing Street.

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 7:57 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary? (BBC)

Laura Kuenssberg Verified account
‏@bbclaurak

Boris Johnson confirmed as foreign secretary

Well that's really going to enhance our international standing - the fool will be able to lie on a global scale now.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 7:59 pm

One or two showers popping up here and there . . .

Sorry - the BBC has moved on to the weather forecast for the time being.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 8:03 pm

Keeping Michael Fallon in post? Whatever for? Well, I suppose he comes in handy for those occasions when you don't want to throw anyone else to the wolves.

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 8:05 pm

So Boris Johnson is going to be an embarrassment all over the world instead of just here, then.

Terrific. I hope he gets a warm welcome and a watermelon smile from all those pickaninnies.

Still, at least he won't have to set thugs on people who piss off his friends. He can send the army.

FFS.

I am petrified now. Who's going to get health, social security, education, justice? This is scary.

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 8:06 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary? (BBC)

Laura Kuenssberg Verified account
‏@bbclaurak

Boris Johnson confirmed as foreign secretary

AFD

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 8:08 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:Well...

Faisal Islam ‏@faisalislam 7m7 minutes ago

It is Official - @PHammondMP is Chancellor, and @George_Osborne has resigned from Government
or...

Tom Newton Dunn Verified account
‏@tnewtondunn

Breaking: George Osborne was sacked. Theresa May told him she didn't want him in her Cabinet. Wow.

He's also doing 1,000 lines.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 8:09 pm

Hobiejoe wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary? (BBC)

Laura Kuenssberg Verified account
‏@bbclaurak

Boris Johnson confirmed as foreign secretary

Well that's really going to enhance our international standing - the fool will be able to lie on a global scale now.

First sign that her position within the Tory Party is actually quite weak. If it were strong Johnson wouldn't be seeing daylight in the House of Commons.

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 8:10 pm

From the BBC:

New Home Secretary Amber Rudd, who campaigned for Remain in the EU referendum, famously warned in a TV debate that she would not trust the new Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson to drive her home at the end of a night out...

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 8:11 pm

Really?

Freddie Whittaker
‏@FCDWhittaker

New Department for International Trade established, led by Liam Fox. Does this pave the way for break-up of BIS? Will DfE get HE and FE?

Lots of foreign travel for an old chum then...

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 8:13 pm

PS. That's 3 top jobs gone to men. When will Laura K start complaining about the blatant misogyny rampant in May's Tory Party?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 8:14 pm

#SaveTheWorld

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 8:15 pm

In a way it's quite clever...get all the Brexiters to take jobs that are impacted by their own Leave choice - if they fuck up then the leave campaign get to blame their own people.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 13 Jul, 2016 8:16 pm

Boris has agreed to have a sex change I believe,as part of conditions.