Saturday September 27th & Sunday 28th September 2014

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 5:57 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:This is quite a good article about why Japan is screwed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/econ ... again.html

Short version:

Not enough immigration (virtually none).
Not enough children - partly caused by the above but also by the way they refuse to let married women with kids work.

Crumbs! I never knew that!

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 5:58 pm

Gove's lost another MP then.

Odd that someone whose main skill is mouthing off in the media was chosen for Chief Whip, which is all about discretion.

I thought he was going to be doing the job easily and leading the attack on Labour in his spare time.

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:00 pm

Interesting tweet from Sarah Wollaston

The Conservative Party won't gain extra support by shifting right but millions of centre right voters would move elsewhere, myself included

Read into that what you will!

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:02 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Interesting tweet from Sarah Wollaston

The Conservative Party won't gain extra support by shifting right but millions of centre right voters would move elsewhere, myself included
Read into that what you will!

Hmmm.

In normal situations, defection to the Lib Dems would be a good idea for some.

But that would suicidal for most. She ought not too- she's got the chairmanship of the Health Select Committee.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:03 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Interesting tweet from Sarah Wollaston

The Conservative Party won't gain extra support by shifting right but millions of centre right voters would move elsewhere, myself included
Read into that what you will!

No idea where to start with that one...
Liberals (!!!!) ? Greens ?
I doubt Labour - she has had some harsh words against Labour in the past.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:03 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:This is quite a good article about why Japan is screwed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/econ ... again.html

Short version:

Not enough immigration (virtually none).
Not enough children - partly caused by the above but also by the way they refuse to let married women with kids work.
Crumbs! I never knew that!

No - neither did I. Amazing what you can pick up (in a good way) from other posters.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:05 pm

Vincent McAviney ‏@VinnyITV 2m
Breaking: Minister Brooks Newmark MP has resigned over a sex scandal to do with social media to be published in tomorrow's Mirror

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:07 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Vincent McAviney ‏@VinnyITV 2m
Breaking: Minister Brooks Newmark MP has resigned over a sex scandal to do with social media to be published in tomorrow's Mirror

What a great start to the conference for them

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:09 pm

Serious chat of more defections to the Kippers, the skin crawling Philip Davies of Shipley, who confuses being a straight talking Yorkshireman with being an absolute twat. The other being the unfortunate looking Philip Hollobone, and to think word has it that Ed had a difficult week?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:11 pm

Fraser Nelson ‏@FraserNelson · 2 hrs
The stunning defection of Mark Reckless to UKIP is further evidence of the great Tory split now underway. My take: http://specc.ie/1njhvu8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:11 pm

Ukip funded polling finds Labour 11% ahead in Rotherham.

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:12 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Interesting tweet from Sarah Wollaston

The Conservative Party won't gain extra support by shifting right but millions of centre right voters would move elsewhere, myself included
Read into that what you will!
No idea where to start with that one...
Liberals (!!!!) ? Greens ?
I doubt Labour - she has had some harsh words against Labour in the past.

She is rowing back from it now, to an extent, but it certainly looks like a warning shot across Cameron's bow.

Brooks Newmark resigning? With time on his hands, and no involvement with politics, maybe he can take up knitting?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:13 pm

Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB · 6 mins
New Survation Rotherham poll funded by UKIP donor finds
CON: 6% (-11)
LAB: 48% (+4)
UKIP: 37% (+31)
LD: 4% (-12)
OTH 6% (-11)

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:15 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Vincent McAviney ‏@VinnyITV 2m
Breaking: Minister Brooks Newmark MP has resigned over a sex scandal to do with social media to be published in tomorrow's Mirror

Sending dirty texts! Shouldn't he spent more time doing the right thing and sorting out Labour's mess?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:16 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Vincent McAviney ‏@VinnyITV 2m
Breaking: Minister Brooks Newmark MP has resigned over a sex scandal to do with social media to be published in tomorrow's Mirror
Sending dirty texts! Shouldn't he spent more time doing the right thing and sorting out Labour's mess?

Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes · 43 secs
It's a very modern twist on the good old fashioned Tory sex scandal.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:19 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Interesting tweet from Sarah Wollaston
Read into that what you will!
No idea where to start with that one...
Liberals (!!!!) ? Greens ?
I doubt Labour - she has had some harsh words against Labour in the past.
She is rowing back from it now, to an extent, but it certainly looks like a warning shot across Cameron's bow.

Brooks Newmark resigning? With time on his hands, and no involvement with politics, maybe he can take up knitting?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:21 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Vincent McAviney ‏@VinnyITV 2m
Breaking: Minister Brooks Newmark MP has resigned over a sex scandal to do with social media to be published in tomorrow's Mirror
Sending dirty texts! Shouldn't he spent more time doing the right thing and sorting out Labour's mess?

Probably - if he's capable

Oliver James ‏@OliverJamesUK · 2 mins
Ah, Mark Reckless, the MP who was too drunk to even vote (even though it is sort-of his job) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10590725" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(apologies to those recovering (hope that's the right word) no offence meant, but more should have been made of it at the time, which is why its coming up again)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:24 pm

Anyone fancy a game of skittles?

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:25 pm

PorFavor wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:This is quite a good article about why Japan is screwed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/econ ... again.html

Short version:

Not enough immigration (virtually none).
Not enough children - partly caused by the above but also by the way they refuse to let married women with kids work.
Crumbs! I never knew that!

No - neither did I. Amazing what you can pick up (in a good way) from other posters.

Be careful. There is no law in Japan that prevents married women with or without kids from working.

But it is very very very unusual for them to do so.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:27 pm

PorFavor wrote:Anyone fancy a game of skittles?

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:29 pm

It gets worse, not just texts but photos too..

Surely not like that Weiner guy from NY? (Spew emoticon)

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:30 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Vincent McAviney ‏@VinnyITV 2m
Breaking: Minister Brooks Newmark MP has resigned over a sex scandal to do with social media to be published in tomorrow's Mirror

Vincent McAviney @VinnyITV · 18m
Update: Newmark is believed to have been sending out explicit pictures of himself online and has resigned as Minister for Civil Society

What a..er...berk.

An absolutely corking start to conference then!

A defector, and a pervert.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:35 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Vincent McAviney ‏@VinnyITV 2m
Breaking: Minister Brooks Newmark MP has resigned over a sex scandal to do with social media to be published in tomorrow's Mirror
Vincent McAviney @VinnyITV · 18m
Update: Newmark is believed to have been sending out explicit pictures of himself online and has resigned as Minister for Civil Society

What a..er...berk.

An absolutely corking start to conference then!

A defector, and a pervert.

I misread the first word above - just for a fleeting moment a horrid mental image.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:35 pm

Yeah, but Ed Miliband, blah, blah, no economic plan.

Clegg's conference is going to be fun and all. Wonder if there could be a defector to Labour.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:38 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:It gets worse, not just texts but photos too..

Surely not like that Weiner guy from NY? (Spew emoticon)

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Post by **refitman** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:39 pm

Also, by request:

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:rock:

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:40 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:It gets worse, not just texts but photos too..

Surely not like that Weiner guy from NY? (Spew emoticon)

Nobody - absolutely nobody - is allowed to post said photos here, if so. By order of one of FTN's Lord Chancellors.

Blimey - I go to work for the afternoon and come back to find Farage has stuck 2 fingers up at Cameron - AGAIN - and another Tory has got involved in sleasy weasy stuff and had to resign. It's just like the good / bad old days of John Major. We really are back to basics with this lot.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:40 pm

It was all the look of The Thick Of It...I've been re-watching series 4. The one where the LibDems bought a bank was brilliant.

I've just watched the one where an unredacted email was sent out...that happened at work where an email about someone leaving revealed - upon scrolling down - details of another person leaving...and that one no-one knew about.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:46 pm

No 10's statement on the latest resignation included the classic line "...it's nothing to do with Ukip".

Well that's all right then.

Will Brooks Newman resign as an MP? Bet he doesn't. Which leads me to ask: when it's a matter of personal behaviour - if it's unacceptable in a minister why should it be any more acceptable in an MP?

David Cameron is due in Birmingham for the conference any minute now according to the BBC. You'd have to have a heart of stone etc etc . . .

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:49 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Vincent McAviney @VinnyITV · 18m
Update: Newmark is believed to have been sending out explicit pictures of himself online and has resigned as Minister for Civil Society

What a..er...berk.

An absolutely corking start to conference then!

A defector, and a pervert.
I misread the first word above - just for a fleeting moment a horrid mental image.

And thank you so much for sharing it.

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:50 pm

refitman wrote:Also, by request:
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Station!

(10 points for whoever gets the reference)

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:51 pm

PorFavor wrote:No 10's statement on the latest resignation included the classic line "...it's nothing to do with Ukip".

Well that's all right then.

Will Brooks Newman resign as an MP? Bet he doesn't. Which leads me to ask: when it's a matter of personal behaviour - if it's unacceptable in a minister why should it be any more acceptable in an MP?

David Cameron is due in Birmingham for the conference any minute now according to the BBC. You'd have to have a heart of stone etc etc . . .

I doubt it, I imagine he will carry on.

perhaps Toby Young's offer to share a hotel room is still on. They both need all the love they can get right now.

- edited to correct for brain dead iOS.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:54 pm

Spacedone wrote:
refitman wrote:Also, by request:
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:rock:
Station!

(10 points for whoever gets the reference)

Not sure tempted to suggest Bill and Ted.

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 6:56 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
Spacedone wrote:
refitman wrote:Also, by request:
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:rock:
Station!

(10 points for whoever gets the reference)
Not sure tempted to suggest Bill and Ted.

10 points to you!

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 7:02 pm

Michael Fabricant ‏@Mike_Fabricant · 7 mins
Well, the GOOD news is that Brooks Newmark will not be defecting to UKIP.

I hate him, but did have to laugh at this one

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 7:05 pm

Sorry to keep twittering but

Andrew Neil ‏@afneil · 10 mins
At the current rate of resignations this could be the worst-attended Tory conference in modern history!

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 7:10 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Sorry to keep twittering but

Andrew Neil ‏@afneil · 10 mins
At the current rate of resignations this could be the worst-attended Tory conference in modern history!

Maybe one of those right wing tossers could help explain how all this is bad news for Ed Miliband.

In my bones I feel it must be, but I can't work out how.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 7:15 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Sorry to keep twittering but

Andrew Neil ‏@afneil · 10 mins
At the current rate of resignations this could be the worst-attended Tory conference in modern history!
Maybe one of those right wing tossers could help explain how all this is bad news for Ed Miliband.

In my bones I feel it must be, but I can't work out how.

Easy - Ed told them to do it....

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 7:16 pm

Kevin Maguire ‏@Kevin_Maguire 6m
Heaven forfend: Brooks Newmark "sent a graphic picture exposing himself while wearing a pair of paisley pyjamas" http://mirr.im/1pjT9eR" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Definitely no reposting here please - paisley pyjamas is the final straw.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 7:23 pm

Labour hits back at expenses scandal
A TORY MP has been caught out for claiming over £11,000 in taxpayer’s money on properties in London, despite owning two properties and renting a third in the area.
Rochford and Southend East MP James Duddridge has allegedly falsely claimed £11,248 on London hotels from April to December.
The MP expenses 2013/14 also show other claims from renting a flat in the London area until March 2014.

http://www.theenquirer.co.uk/labour-hit ... s-scandal/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Keep 'um coming

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 7:26 pm

Antony Holt ‏@Hasselschmuck · 60 mins
Mark Reckless defects &Brooks Newmark resigns.Dan Hodges will be along soon to tell us how this spells disaster 4 Labour's election chances.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 7:29 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
Labour hits back at expenses scandal
A TORY MP has been caught out for claiming over £11,000 in taxpayer’s money on properties in London, despite owning two properties and renting a third in the area.
Rochford and Southend East MP James Duddridge has allegedly falsely claimed £11,248 on London hotels from April to December.
The MP expenses 2013/14 also show other claims from renting a flat in the London area until March 2014.
http://www.theenquirer.co.uk/labour-hit ... s-scandal/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Keep 'um coming

Makes you want to hose down such thieving, self-serving toerags with a very strong solution of bleachy water, doesn't it. Will take such drastic action to clean their stench and ordure up and out.

As the Labour MPs in the article say ... unbelievable that this can be allowed whilst there are ordinary people struggling to pay the bedroom tax - through no choice or fault of their own.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 7:30 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Antony Holt ‏@Hasselschmuck · 60 mins
Mark Reckless defects &Brooks Newmark resigns.Dan Hodges will be along soon to tell us how this spells disaster 4 Labour's election chances.

Hodges has been very quiet today. Maybe he's chasing his lost suitcase around rail company lost property offices up north. I do hope so.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 7:32 pm

John Rentoul ‏@JohnRentoul 19s
Labour lead of 6: ComRes for @IndyOnSunday & S Mirror
Con 29% -3 Lab 35% +1 Lib D 7% -1 UKIP 19% +1 Green 4% +1
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2014/09/ ... s-cameron/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 7:34 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Cripes. Re the housing market:

I've just checked. At the height of the boom, one bedroom maisonettes, were around £147,000 in 2007. The lowest they dropped when the recession hit was around £130,000.
A year ago they'd crept back up to £147,000. Today [and they're leasehold] they are going for £165,000.
It's probably the one bedroom making them so popular and likely to fall a bit if the bedroom tax is dropped.

Locally, 2-bed flats identical to mine sold for around £210,00 just before the crash and dropped to around £190,000 in late 2008. We are on a small scheme close to a good university and good transport connections, in very leafy surroundings for London, so prices hold well. In November 2013, a similar flat here sold for £270,000 and one is on the market now for £360,000. Property bubble is near to bursting, again...

Edit: to change ...and is one the market... to ...and one is on the market...

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 7:35 pm

You can almost hear the gritted teeth in this from Rentoul re the ComRes poll for the Indy:

finds that Labour has stretched its lead over the Conservatives to six points, and that Ed Miliband’s favourability rating has improved slightly despite his forgetting passages about the deficit and immigration in his conference speech.

and I love this:

The poll also suggests that David Cameron is no longer an asset to his party: although 8% of voters say they would like to vote for him but not his party, 11% said they would like to vote for the Conservatives but not for him.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 7:38 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Vincent McAviney ‏@VinnyITV 2m
Breaking: Minister Brooks Newmark MP has resigned over a sex scandal to do with social media to be published in tomorrow's Mirror
Vincent McAviney @VinnyITV · 18m
Update: Newmark is believed to have been sending out explicit pictures of himself online and has resigned as Minister for Civil Society

What a..er...berk.

An absolutely corking start to conference then!

A defector, and a pervert.

Interesting etymology of the word 'berk.' It comes from rhyming slang, shortened from Berkeley Hunt.

Sorry just felt like sharing.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 7:40 pm

@Ernst - any thoughts ? will she be good for Labour? (and Tottington)
Cllr Tamoor Tariq ‏@TamoorT · 4 mins
Pleased @TottingtonJude will be the prospective local election candidate for Redvales in May 2015! She'll be ace!

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 7:45 pm

Goodnight, everyone.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Sat 27 Sep, 2014 7:46 pm

Temulkar wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Vincent McAviney @VinnyITV · 18m
Update: Newmark is believed to have been sending out explicit pictures of himself online and has resigned as Minister for Civil Society

What a..er...berk.

An absolutely corking start to conference then!

A defector, and a pervert.
Interesting etymology of the word 'berk.' It comes from rhyming slang, shortened from Berkeley Hunt.

Sorry just felt like sharing.

Well if the shoe fits....

Talking of which, old slime ball Simon Hughes is quiet lately, anyone know what the feeling is around his constituency, still a favourable chance of a Labour gain, I know electoral calculus have it down as one but suspicious of some of their predictions?

http://electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/ ... 0Southwark