Monday 14th January 2019
Posted: Mon 14 Jan, 2019 6:51 am
Morning all.
Sorry, couldn't sleep.HindleA wrote:Aaargh,foiled again.
same hererefitman wrote:Sorry, couldn't sleep.HindleA wrote:Aaargh,foiled again.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but the potential first question posed first seems to be the same question being asked of MPs - May's 'Deal' or 'No Deal'Organising the ‘Second’ Referendum
http://blogs.sussex.ac.uk/uktpo/2018/12 ... eferendum/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
leave us aloneTheresa May will make one final appeal to the Commons to pass her Brexit deal, amid speculation among many Conservative MPs that the expected defeat could spark a cross-party plan or moves to oust the prime minister.
May is to start her most crucial week as prime minister with a speech at a factory in Stoke-on-Trent...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rexit-deal" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
UK failed to enforce EU air quality standards – what will happen after Brexit?
Government has astonishing record of fighting demands to meet legal obligations
It's offensive how stupid they must think I amThe government has set out new plans on air pollution that ministers say go beyond existing EU rules, with a pledge
to improve air quality nationwide to the standards the World Health Organization (WH0) recommends.
Air pollution plans improve on EU rules, government claims
Would you be more comfortable if it said 'with the withdrawal agreement and transition period' or 'without the WA'? Serious question, not being snarky.citizenJA wrote:The choices available aren't limited to 'May's Deal' or 'No Deal'
I didn't think you're being snarky and even if you were, so what? I trust you. We'd work it out.gilsey wrote:Would you be more comfortable if it said 'with the withdrawal agreement and transition period' or 'without the WA'? Serious question, not being snarky.citizenJA wrote:The choices available aren't limited to 'May's Deal' or 'No Deal'
They're not voting on the future relationship for all Labour's disingenuousness.
Why isn't disingenuity a word?
She's given up on trying to get Labour to vote for it and is aiming all her fire at the ERG, in other words.Faisal Islam
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In an eve of vote speech tomorrow in a top pro-Brexit area PM will say, acc to Downing St “based on the evidence of the last week, she now believes that MPs blocking Brexit is a more likely outcome than leaving with no deal”.
There's an element to Labour's strategy which is almost akin to arguing they'd do a better job of polishing a turd than the Tories. For those that can see the turd for what it is, this is somewhat less than convincing because, as everybody knows, you can't polish a turd.gilsey wrote:Would you be more comfortable if it said 'with the withdrawal agreement and transition period' or 'without the WA'? Serious question, not being snarky.citizenJA wrote:The choices available aren't limited to 'May's Deal' or 'No Deal'
They're not voting on the future relationship for all Labour's disingenuousness.
Why isn't disingenuity a word?
And that strategy suggests its all about minimising the scale of the defeat now.gilsey wrote:She's given up on trying to get Labour to vote for it and is aiming all her fire at the ERG, in other words.Faisal Islam
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In an eve of vote speech tomorrow in a top pro-Brexit area PM will say, acc to Downing St “based on the evidence of the last week, she now believes that MPs blocking Brexit is a more likely outcome than leaving with no deal”.
Indeed - unusually I listened to Today this morning. There was a piece of analysis that suggested that if the defeat is modest, May will be able to go back to Brussels to secure further concessions, but that if the defeat is calamitous Brussels will essentially abandon her.AnatolyKasparov wrote:And that strategy suggests its all about minimising the scale of the defeat now.gilsey wrote:She's given up on trying to get Labour to vote for it and is aiming all her fire at the ERG, in other words.Faisal Islam
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In an eve of vote speech tomorrow in a top pro-Brexit area PM will say, acc to Downing St “based on the evidence of the last week, she now believes that MPs blocking Brexit is a more likely outcome than leaving with no deal”.
Indeed. Exhibit A...AnatolyKasparov wrote: And that strategy suggests its all about minimising the scale of the defeat now.
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Further proof that the UK is a banana monarchy: after being appointed a Privy Counsellor by Theresa May, Tory MP Edward Leigh has announced he will vote for her Brexit deal.
9:44 AM - 13 Jan 2019
One of the neglected aspects of May’s political style is that she is happy to say things that are untrue. Although there is a widespread belief that this is part of the average politician’s toolkit, most politicians rarely lie and when they do, do so awkwardly.
But May does it frequently and with great ease.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/s ... exit-lying" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
She's a minority government PM without a mandate and a serial liar. What can we do?The problem – as far as escaping a no deal Brexit goes – is that the belief that May is less than truthful is widely shared at Westminster. It’s one reason why some Conservative MPs ignored her pledge not to fight another election to vote against her in their confidence vote and part of the reason why many pro-Brexit MPs don’t trust her assurances about the deal. They feel that she misled them about the December 2017 agreement, is still trying to pull the wool over their eyes as far as the transition goes and that they can’t trust her.
But it’s also a problem for everyone, regardless of how they feel about the question of Remain vs Leave. Parliament’s Brexit factions are about to enter a high-stakes game of bluff and double-bluff: and that none of those factions believes they can trust the Prime Minister only adds to the possibility that we might yet have a no deal Brexit by mistake.
You could but choose not toQ: The EU are willing to extend article 50 until July. Do you rule that out?
May says she does not believe the government should extend article 50 or have a referendum.
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hallelujahAnd that’s it. May has finished.
I mean, that's almost Trump-like in its sheer shamelessness innit?RogerOThornhill wrote:Indeed. Exhibit A...AnatolyKasparov wrote: And that strategy suggests its all about minimising the scale of the defeat now.
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Further proof that the UK is a banana monarchy: after being appointed a Privy Counsellor by Theresa May, Tory MP Edward Leigh has announced he will vote for her Brexit deal.
9:44 AM - 13 Jan 2019
I did see a tweet the other day saying you can sprinkle glitter on it.Willow904 wrote: as everybody knows, you can't polish a turd.
Easier for them to abandon her that it is for us.PaulfromYorkshire wrote: if the defeat is calamitous Brussels will essentially abandon her.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 37946.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Pregnant MP Tulip Siddiq today revealed she will delay the birth of her child in order to vote against Theresa May’s Brexit deal tomorrow.
Indeed!gilsey wrote:Easier for them to abandon her that it is for us.PaulfromYorkshire wrote: if the defeat is calamitous Brussels will essentially abandon her.
A twitter goldmine.RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.
Well this is interesting...you need to go through the links!
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Ah, its a Caesarean - I did think that was giving her almost superhuman powersPaulfromYorkshire wrote:https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 37946.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Pregnant MP Tulip Siddiq today revealed she will delay the birth of her child in order to vote against Theresa May’s Brexit deal tomorrow.
Whether she did or didn't, it's all over the news! The BBC havegilsey wrote:Apparently she left the Wales bit out.
which deserves attention for its utter inelegance if nothing else!We've never had a referendum in the United Kingdom that we've not honoured the result of
Painful, isn't it?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Whether she did or didn't, it's all over the news! The BBC havegilsey wrote:Apparently she left the Wales bit out.which deserves attention for its utter inelegance if nothing else!We've never had a referendum in the United Kingdom that we've not honoured the result of
Government whip Gareth Johnson...PorFavor wrote:Somebody's just resigned.
It could also salvage their electoral chancesAnatolyKasparov wrote:It would be a total and absolute humiliation for them, so could be celebrated on that level as well as being a "good" outcome more generally.
oh my gracious lordMPs voting down May’s Brexit deal are the elite revolting against democracy
I intend to call this for what it is. Those on all sides of the House of Commons who try, against our manifestos, against the promises we made, to undermine Brexit are not martyrs. They are representatives of an elite that is trying to block Britain leaving the EU. They are not “taking back control”. They are usurping power. This is a revolt of the elites against popular democracy.
- Bob Seely
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Isle of Wight
From the article -HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -bickering
I, naturally, misread that . . .As Theresa May swept on to a factory floor on the edge of Stoke,