Wednesday 1st October 2014.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 4:52 pm

Though Skidmore has been mentioned again?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 4:52 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Gaby Hinsliff ‏@gabyhinsliff 59s60 seconds ago
MEANWHILE RT Just arrived at Old Down Manor in Gloucestershire for mystery Ukip event. Have we been sold a pup or will it be worth it?
Sold a pup I reckon, it would be too good.

Can't help hoping though, can we? Farage is really an event / grand spectacle maker, isn't he. A political illusionist.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 4:55 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Gaby Hinsliff ‏@gabyhinsliff 59s60 seconds ago
MEANWHILE RT Just arrived at Old Down Manor in Gloucestershire for mystery Ukip event. Have we been sold a pup or will it be worth it?
Sold a pup I reckon, it would be too good.

I wondered elsewhere whether it's such a good idea to keep associating yourself with the extremely rich - not that great when you're presenting yourself as a party for ordinary people.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:00 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Sold a pup I reckon, it would be too good.
Can't help hoping though, can we? Farage is really an event / grand spectacle maker, isn't he. A political illusionist.

No we can't, and that is the danger Farage faces, it could get to the point he raises expectations only for to fall flat on his face, hope it happens mind...

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:00 pm

Nick Sutton ‏@suttonnick 1m1 minute ago
Govt plans "pretty extraordinary levels of spending cuts" even before tax giveaways - Paul Johnson of @TheIFS #wato

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Which is why Balls should only have matched them for 1 year.
I've been told he did 2 years. Can anyone confirm?

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:01 pm

Aren't lots of UKIPPers not particularly rightwing on economics?

This seems an odd strategy for the Tories.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:02 pm

If Fromage has sold the press a pup and dragged them away from drinks at the conference for nothing then there will be a lot of pissed off politicos.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:04 pm

Temulkar wrote:If Fromage has sold the press a pup and dragged them away from drinks at the conference for nothing then there will be a lot of pissed off politicos.

He'll go up in my estimation if he has.

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:04 pm

Bit of an oddity at the Telegraph, a "word cloud" analysis of the main speeches from Conference season (so they've completely written off the Lib Dems obviously). Not sure how much value this sort of analysis has, but the "Welfare" clouds are quite interesting, seeing the very different emphases of the two parties.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... me=3058035" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:06 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Nick Sutton ‏@suttonnick 1m1 minute ago
Govt plans "pretty extraordinary levels of spending cuts" even before tax giveaways - Paul Johnson of @TheIFS #wato
]]

Which is why Balls should only have matched them for 1 year.
I've been told he did 2 years. Can anyone confirm?

One year, not two.

FT interview December 2013:

Mr Balls has committed Labour to matching coalition spending plans in 2015-16, election year, and offered to have its programme costed by the independent Office for Budget Responsibility.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/409bc2f0-6805 ... z3EuTVL1bT" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:07 pm

Oh the suspense.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:08 pm

Faisal Islam ''Sincerely hope it's someone more than Lord Chumpington of Bumpington, otherwise it's just UKIP crying wolf''

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:08 pm

pk1 wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Nick Sutton ‏@suttonnick 1m1 minute ago
Govt plans "pretty extraordinary levels of spending cuts" even before tax giveaways - Paul Johnson of @TheIFS #wato
]]

Which is why Balls should only have matched them for 1 year.
I've been told he did 2 years. Can anyone confirm?
One year, not two.

FT interview December 2013:

Mr Balls has committed Labour to matching coalition spending plans in 2015-16, election year, and offered to have its programme costed by the independent Office for Budget Responsibility.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/409bc2f0-6805 ... z3EuTVL1bT" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But Labour do not have Osbornes aggressive timescales on the deficit, so they need to save a lot less.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:09 pm

pk1 wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Nick Sutton ‏@suttonnick 1m1 minute ago
Govt plans "pretty extraordinary levels of spending cuts" even before tax giveaways - Paul Johnson of @TheIFS #wato
]]

Which is why Balls should only have matched them for 1 year.
I've been told he did 2 years. Can anyone confirm?
One year, not two.

FT interview December 2013:

Mr Balls has committed Labour to matching coalition spending plans in 2015-16, election year, and offered to have its programme costed by the independent Office for Budget Responsibility.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/409bc2f0-6805 ... z3EuTVL1bT" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And the one year is only because by the time you get into office, you're in that year already by a couple of months. The last thing you want to do is a major spending review lasting months while you're in that year.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:11 pm

pk1, I think there may have been more announcements this year, though couldn't find them.

I didn't think Osborne had any intention of keeping to these plans, any more than he has to his earlier ones. I thought Balls had fallen into a trap by accepting them at all. But seems like that's panicked Osborne and he's had to head off even more into fantasy.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:11 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:This better be good, or I'm never voting Ukip again

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:12 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
pk1 wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:]]

Which is why Balls should only have matched them for 1 year.
I've been told he did 2 years. Can anyone confirm?
One year, not two.

FT interview December 2013:

Mr Balls has committed Labour to matching coalition spending plans in 2015-16, election year, and offered to have its programme costed by the independent Office for Budget Responsibility.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/409bc2f0-6805 ... z3EuTVL1bT" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
But Labour do not have Osbornes aggressive timescales on the deficit, so they need to save a lot less.

It's still far too fast though. I accept the political pressure he was under from Mediamacro though.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:15 pm

No MP, it seems, but a million quid donated to UKIP instead.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:16 pm

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:16 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
pk1 wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:]]

Which is why Balls should only have matched them for 1 year.
I've been told he did 2 years. Can anyone confirm?
One year, not two.

FT interview December 2013:

Mr Balls has committed Labour to matching coalition spending plans in 2015-16, election year, and offered to have its programme costed by the independent Office for Budget Responsibility.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/409bc2f0-6805 ... z3EuTVL1bT" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And the one year is only because by the time you get into office, you're in that year already by a couple of months. The last thing you want to do is a major spending review lasting months while you're in that year.

Exactly. Beats me why there is always so much criticism aimed at him for this - it's exactly what every single CoE has done since goodness knows how long.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:17 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:No MP, it seems, but a million quid donated to UKIP instead.

What a let down.

Only a million quid.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:18 pm

Temulkar wrote:meh

Yeah, he increased his donation 9 fold after Hague called him a ''nobody'' how much damage can a million squid do on the campaign trail though?

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:20 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:
Temulkar wrote:meh
Yeah, he increased his donation 9 fold after Hague called him a ''nobody'' how much damage can a million squid do on the campaign trail though?

In a small number of seats, a fair bit.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:22 pm

One of my hounds has just come upstairs, walked in here, farted and walked back out, think Farage has done the same to journalists who raced down to south Gloucs for that announcement.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:23 pm

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:27 pm

A million quid eh? No wonder they had champagne out. Any less than that and it would've been Tizer.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:28 pm

steven morris retweeted
peterwalker99 @peterwalker99 · 3m 3 minutes ago
It's like all those rumours of vast-money Man Utd signings last season, after which they presented fans with Marouane Fellaini #ukip

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:29 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:
Temulkar wrote:meh
Yeah, he increased his donation 9 fold after Hague called him a ''nobody'' how much damage can a million squid do on the campaign trail though?
I hope they focus it all on Labour/Tory marginals.

Will go for Thurrock, Great Yarmouth and Great Grimsby, for starters. Clacton will probably win itself.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:33 pm

I love the imagery though, as it has already been pointed out, a week after Farage promised to ''park his tanks on Labour's front lawn'' he strolls out of a rather handsome country pile, champagne on offer, it wouldn't have looked out of place on the cover of Country Living.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:34 pm

Really glad people are still on the case about this. Grayling really is a perfidious s**t.

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Ian Dunt ‏@IanDunt 6m6 minutes ago RT ... servants"

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:35 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
RobertSnozers wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote: Yeah, he increased his donation 9 fold after Hague called him a ''nobody'' how much damage can a million squid do on the campaign trail though?
I hope they focus it all on Labour/Tory marginals.
Will go for Thurrock, Great Yarmouth and Great Grimsby, for starters. Clacton will probably win itself.

Very plausible indeed - chuck in Whatsit and Strood as well. It must give UKIP a better chance there to flood the place with (paid) volunteers and plenty of kipper propaganda sheets.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:36 pm

Cassetteboy is going to have more resonance with people than Cameron I think. No 1 trend on twitter whilst Dave didnt even rate the top ten.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:36 pm

Next time you come across someone talking about Mid Staffs, tell them about the 28 killed by Legionnaire's Disease in 1985.

They'll probably disappear.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:37 pm

Is Farage modelling himself on EMF? Their wild goose chase was in Gloucestershire too.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:38 pm

Eddie Mair picking the Tories spending 'plans' to shreds on PM now.

Thank you Eddie!!!!!

He's filletting her (not sure who it is .... but she is sinking fast, can hear the glug, glug, glug).

Ah it's the Education Secretary. God she is appalling - like a parrot on Mogadon - repeating trance like their rehearsed mantras.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:39 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:Sorry if someone else has already posted this link. It's very good.

Dear David Cameron: A Letter From the Young Me You Denied Benefits
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/rebecca ... _hp_ref=uk

I did

But both of us having posted it means more chances for people to spot it, which can only be a good thing! Ta x

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:42 pm

Temulkar wrote:Cassetteboy is going to have more resonance with people than Cameron I think. No 1 trend on twitter whilst Dave didnt even rate the top ten.

If that doesn't go viral, I'd be very surprised indeed. One of the few times I've ever heard CMD utter the truth.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:42 pm

Eddie Mair:

Has the Prime Minister solved climate change?

He is on fire!

Eddie Mair follow up to her faltering response:
'Why didn't he mention it? He used to say it was one of the biggest threats facing the world?

and after yet another limp deflection from her:
'It isn't because he now consider it just 'green crap'?

Nicky Morgan: 'No'. In the most clipped, tight voice you can possible imagine. Interview ends.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:43 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:Eddie Mair:

Has the Prime Minister solved climate change?

He is on fire!

Eddie Mair follow up to her faltering response:
'Why didn't he mention it? He used to say it was one of the biggest threats facing the world?

I'm guessing The Big Society wasn't mentioned too.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:45 pm

LadyCentauria wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:Sorry if someone else has already posted this link. It's very good.

Dear David Cameron: A Letter From the Young Me You Denied Benefits
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/rebecca ... _hp_ref=uk

I did But both of us having posted it means more chances for people to spot it, which can only be a good thing! Ta x

Well thank you LadyC for noticing it - well worth a double posting, I agree.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:45 pm

Paul Waugh reckons that Aaron chap is under scrutiny, apparently there's an interesting set of photos already circulating, not more cocks, load of them left Birmingham earlier.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:47 pm

Gee, why put up Nicky Morgan?

The idea of appointing her was, as with Gillian Shepherd, to diffuse a bit of the atmosphere around Education.

She wasn't put there for any accomplishment in defending the Government.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:47 pm

Today has certainly shown that Farage is no more infallible than any other politician. WTF??

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:49 pm

Oh good - that car crash interview by Nicky Morgan has already been noticed.

Kevin Maguire ‏@Kevin_Maguire 9m9 minutes ago
Education Secretary Nicky Morgan failing her maths test as @eddiemair asks how tax cuts will be funded

PoliticsHome ‏@politicshome 6m6 minutes ago
Nicky Morgan on why environment not featured heavily in Cameron speech: "there were lots of other things that need to be mentioned"

I imagine she has gone off in a right bait - cussing about Eddie Mair and the leftie BBC under her breath. Expect a complaint of some sort to be made. Would bet there's some backlash from somewhere pretty soon.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:50 pm

LadyCentauria wrote:
DonutHingeParty wrote:
RobertSnozers wrote: What? I thought that was down to the independent commission now?
Upper band threshold £41,900; Cameron raises it to £50,000. That means anyone earning over £50,000 pays 20% instead of 40% on tax over that 8 grand range, and has basically got a 4 grand pay rise.

Join UKIP and let Ed Miliband in and you lowly backbenchers won't get that lovely bung, will you?
They haven't quite got the hang of being 'a Trade Union', have they. Where's the parity for the workers? Surely, as the Party of Fairness (TM) they should be raising the Income Tax entry point by £8,000, too. No tax on the first £18,500 of earnings by 2020. Did I miss that bit? No, didn't think so...

On Twitter I've just asked some snotty Tory journalist on the Times, whether Dave has invented a new class of people. called 'hard working families.' Not sure where this new class fits on the social scale yet although, slavering over the promise of tax cuts for these families, it has to be somewhere between middle and upper middle class.
He's also saying this new class of' hard working families', read bedtime stories to their kids.

Jesus!

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:52 pm

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:55 pm

PorFavor wrote:What's with the "30 hours a week" thing DC kept alluding to, anyway? Surely such people should be finding second, third, whatever jobs to fill their periods of idleness. None of what he said added up. Especially with George Osborne's sums and Iain Smith's "beliefs".

I thought I read or heard, that George Smith wants to make cuts to their housing benefit and another beneif [sorry can't remember] if he considers a part timer isn't looking hard enough for full time work?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 5:57 pm

I notice I've been made a Whip.

In the spirit of my zeal mentor ... Govey .... I am kicking off with a warning to FTNers that any defectors will be quickly dealt with ... punishment will involve essence of fart supplied by letsskip's hounds.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:00 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:Eddie Mair picking the Tories spending 'plans' to shreds on PM now.

Thank you Eddie!!!!!

He's filletting her (not sure who it is .... but she is sinking fast, can hear the glug, glug, glug).

Ah it's the Education Secretary. God she is appalling - like a parrot on Mogadon - repeating trance like their rehearsed mantras.

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pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:01 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
PorFavor wrote:What's with the "30 hours a week" thing DC kept alluding to, anyway? Surely such people should be finding second, third, whatever jobs to fill their periods of idleness. None of what he said added up. Especially with George Osborne's sums and Iain Smith's "beliefs".
I thought I read or heard, that George Smith wants to make cuts to their housing benefit and another beneif [sorry can't remember] if he considers a part timer isn't looking hard enough for full time work?

I put up the link earlier. Yes it's housing benefit that somehow he thinks he can sanction

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