Thursday 21st July 2016
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Mark Thatcher never was a member of the British Government nor, if my memory serves me correctly, an official trade representative. As such, the actions of a private individual have no business being treated as a State secret. Unless, that is, he had a close relative who... nah, that can't be true.
And if it isn't, this decision has guaranteed that for the next thirty-seven years, everyone will believe his Ma was in on all kinds of shady business. Wish I was clever like the people who take these decisions.
And if it isn't, this decision has guaranteed that for the next thirty-seven years, everyone will believe his Ma was in on all kinds of shady business. Wish I was clever like the people who take these decisions.
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We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. – Aesop
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Éoin @LabourEoin 5m5 minutes ago
#Breaking: All existing Labour MPs are to go through a mandatory reselection process after 2018 Boundary Review. Grassroots members decide.
#Breaking: All existing Labour MPs are to go through a mandatory reselection process after 2018 Boundary Review. Grassroots members decide.
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. – Aesop
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DEMANDS for emergency intervention to rescue commuters from a failing rail system reached a new peak yesterday following unprecedented scenes at Brighton Station.
On Tuesday temperatures were even higher in overcrowded trains than outside on the hottest day of the year, and signal failures compounded misery which included the temporary closure of the station, where commuters reported feeling terrified by the noise and pressure of the crowd.
With the economy of the city and county now under threat by the calamitous rail service, the new Rail Minister Paul Maynard refused to speak to The Argus, as did Transport Secretary Chris Grayling.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/14633037 ... ref=twtrec" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
On Tuesday temperatures were even higher in overcrowded trains than outside on the hottest day of the year, and signal failures compounded misery which included the temporary closure of the station, where commuters reported feeling terrified by the noise and pressure of the crowd.
With the economy of the city and county now under threat by the calamitous rail service, the new Rail Minister Paul Maynard refused to speak to The Argus, as did Transport Secretary Chris Grayling.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/14633037 ... ref=twtrec" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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I've been testing the water at the G on how far I can push my jokes without being accused of misogyny, Anatoly. During comment on the leadership campaign I added this to one of my posts...AnatolyKasparov wrote:AE's logo and her other launch materials were just so damn naff, sorry.
Looked about two decades out of date, too. For both those reasons (and others) many have suspected the hand of Mandy behind the scenes.
Postscript: As you all know I am indeed sexist and am far harsher toward blokes as my many comments about Dave will attest.As an aside I have a Downs Syndrome daughter and spent many years encouraging her that there were other equally satisfactory choices than pink as did my wife. Then along comes Angela. For the avoidance of doubt, just in case Angela reads this, my wife was a woman.
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I want my country back where Queen's and Prime Minster's sons can do what the hell they like.ohsocynical wrote:Fury as files on Mark Thatcher's 'corrupt' dealing in the Middle East kept secret until 2053
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Over £4 million pounds !Cllr James Denselow @cllrjdenselow 2h2 hours ago
183,541 people joined Labour as registered supporters in just two days - nearly outnumbering the entire Tory & Lib Dem membership combined.
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. – Aesop
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The NEC and PLP will probably have banned grassroot members by then.ohsocynical wrote:Éoin @LabourEoin 5m5 minutes ago
#Breaking: All existing Labour MPs are to go through a mandatory reselection process after 2018 Boundary Review. Grassroots members decide.
On the grounds of excessive eye rolling or sthg.
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£4,588,525.00 to be exact.ohsocynical wrote:Over £4 million pounds !Cllr James Denselow @cllrjdenselow 2h2 hours ago
183,541 people joined Labour as registered supporters in just two days - nearly outnumbering the entire Tory & Lib Dem membership combined.
Love him or hate him,Jeremy Corbyn is a moneyspinner for Labour.
And they want to get rid of him!
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Is that a bit misleading or hasn't this news been broken yet? I'm just reading the reporting of Corbyn's speech at the PLB and there's no mention of reselections other than in the context of the MPs affected by the boundary changes, not all MPs.ohsocynical wrote:Éoin @LabourEoin 5m5 minutes ago
#Breaking: All existing Labour MPs are to go through a mandatory reselection process after 2018 Boundary Review. Grassroots members decide.
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Re: Thursday 21st July 2016
Oh dear, DfE in arse/elbow confusion mixup...
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I've been waiting for the details...Haven't seen anything yet, but I'm sorting out more stuff for the tip, and haven't had a chance to check elsewhere.JonnyT1234 wrote:Is that a bit misleading or hasn't this news been broken yet? I'm just reading the reporting of Corbyn's speech at the PLB and there's no mention of reselections other than in the context of the MPs affected by the boundary changes, not all MPs.ohsocynical wrote:Éoin @LabourEoin 5m5 minutes ago
#Breaking: All existing Labour MPs are to go through a mandatory reselection process after 2018 Boundary Review. Grassroots members decide.
I saw one post that implied Corbyn had said it in his speech, but I was hesitant about posting anything that included his name.
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A CAMBERLEY man who has been housebound for more than two years with crippling medical problems has been told by the Government he is fit to work.
Kelvin Crane, 50, was shocked to receive the news from the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) when he was called in for a routine assessment of his Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) benefit on October 25 at Camberley Job Centre.
He was told, despite four heart attacks, two strokes and the loss of his right leg, that he was considered to have ‘limited capability for work’ after an assessment of his circumstances on September 12, which could potentially require him to seek employment.
Opting to fight the decision, Mr Crane lost his appeal on January 12 and has now chosen to take his case to an independent tribunal this year.
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/local-n ... ld-4720770
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The top tweet did say members decide.ohsocynical wrote:I've been waiting for the details...Haven't seen anything yet, but I'm sorting out more stuff for the tip, and haven't had a chance to check elsewhere.JonnyT1234 wrote:Is that a bit misleading or hasn't this news been broken yet? I'm just reading the reporting of Corbyn's speech at the PLB and there's no mention of reselections other than in the context of the MPs affected by the boundary changes, not all MPs.ohsocynical wrote:Éoin @LabourEoin 5m5 minutes ago
#Breaking: All existing Labour MPs are to go through a mandatory reselection process after 2018 Boundary Review. Grassroots members decide.
I saw one post that implied Corbyn had said it in his speech, but I was hesitant about posting anything that included his name.
I found this.
@paulwaugh
Apart from Corbyn highlighting Smith lobbying for Pzfizer, most striking part of Q&A was him refusing to rule out mandatory MP reselection
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. – Aesop
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Eoin Clarke does have a tendency to get over-excitable (shall we say) and this looks like it may have been another of those occasions.
"IS TONTY BLAIR BEHIND THIS???!!!!111???!!!"
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Were his socks too short ?
Edited to add: one for Only Connect fans.
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George Eaton in shock Corbyn isn't completely hopeless Tweet
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Corbyn's confident performance shows he believes he'll win again http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk ... -win-again" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
George Eaton @georgeeaton 22m22 minutes ago
Corbyn's confident performance shows he believes he'll win again http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk ... -win-again" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
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Eaton also shocked me by using an adjective I'd never come across, Damoclean. As in sword.
Why do we always say sword of Damocles rather than Damoclean sword?
Why do we always say sword of Damocles rather than Damoclean sword?
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Maybe Tubby could chip in on that if he's reading.
He's a Classics man. Miss his input here.
He's a Classics man. Miss his input here.
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From Telegraph Political Correspondent
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Damoclean may be a better usage. Sword of Damocles implies ownership of the weapon.
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On Smiths offer to make Jeremy President
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I've seen the Damoclean Sword usage several times in various contexts. It's a perfectly acceptable version of the term, but I've always preferred the original, for the ring of it and it's directness. Damoclean Sword, to me, is an offhand usage, meant as an allusion rather than a metaphor.
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SSAC Occasional Paper 17: Telephony in DWP and HMRC: an update
"if you benefit payment is stopped and you don't have enough money to live on the claimant is asked to ring an 0345 number which can cost a claimant up to 45p a minute."
It took me 20 minutes of circulatory madness just to check they had received something.
SSAC Occasional Paper 17: Telephony in DWP and HMRC: an update
"if you benefit payment is stopped and you don't have enough money to live on the claimant is asked to ring an 0345 number which can cost a claimant up to 45p a minute."
It took me 20 minutes of circulatory madness just to check they had received something.
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A steel firm in Port Talbot has gone into liquidation, 250 jobs lost.
Welsh press say Welsh government refused £250,000 to restructure as a smaller concern.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/b ... l-11645005" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Welsh press say Welsh government refused £250,000 to restructure as a smaller concern.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/b ... l-11645005" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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I blame Cicero.RobertSnozers wrote:Tem would know, FWIWyahyah wrote:Maybe Tubby could chip in on that if he's reading.
He's a Classics man. Miss his input here.
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Some more positive news, Welsh NHS A&E waiting times have improved.
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Decision making and mandatory reconsideration: new report
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Decision making and mandatory reconsideration: new report
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The last time a bespectacled chap tried to tell me how things are I asked him to take them off and tell me to my face.
Postscript: If you're a Corbynista do not thank me for this post lest you be accused of threats of violence.
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Interesting to note that the Director of Strategy with the DfE whose youthfulness when appointed caused a bit of a stir seems to have left the building...
Government cutbacks or DfE cockups?
Government cutbacks or DfE cockups?
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Eoin Clarke does have a tendency to get over-excitable (shall we say) and this looks like it may have been another of those occasions.
Indeed he does, you're being far too polite AK.
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No apology necessary.yahyah wrote:Sorry to mention the leadership on the new thread, but wanted to apologise to TR.
I'm getting tired of calming down....
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BREAKING# EOIN :Attack imminent on all Corbyn supporters is mass extermination exercise arm yourself comrades
Equal level both sides to be fair.
Exterminate exterminate exterminate.
Equal level both sides to be fair.
Exterminate exterminate exterminate.
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TR'sGhost wrote:No apology necessary.yahyah wrote:Sorry to mention the leadership on the new thread, but wanted to apologise to TR.
Thank you. I'm quite lovable in real life. Or so I'm told.
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HindleA wrote:https://www.gov.uk/government/news/deci ... new-report
Decision making and mandatory reconsideration: new report
SSAC
Thank you, A.
Throughout 2015/16, in all four quarters, the rate of overturned ESA decisions by the Tribunals Service was 58%.
For PIP, the average was 60.25%.
In other words, for claimants who get a decision, have a Mandatory Consideration on challenge, and then pursue an appeal to the First Tier Tribunal, more than half of them win - DWP Decision Makers are wrong more in more than half of such cases.
It's a long read; but what comes out of it for me is that the Decision Makers aren't much good (whether it's DWP or HMRC), but it is easy for them to blame someone else because of the way the processes work.
Throughout the text, there are references to delays in sending forms, sending information, answering queries, responding to requests whether by phone or letter; issues with clarifying what options are available, the poor quality of reports, a lack of clarity in explanations to claimants; and problems with the short time limits for submitting MRs or appeals due to all the above.
It's a real mess, this.
I still haven't heard anything from DWP/Maximus having sent my ESA50 off a month ago. I've no idea what's going on.
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RobertSnozers wrote:utopiandreams wrote:The last time a bespectacled chap tried to tell me how things are I asked him to take them off and tell me to my face.
Postscript: If you're a Corbynista do not thank me for this post lest you be accused of threats of violence.
Oh no! There's my renewal out the window
I deleted an email earlier, did you get it, from Ian McNichol.
He gave the cut off date for late renewals, presumably to be eligible to vote. Can't remember what it was.
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yahyah careful,it looks like your baring your teeth there.
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HindleA wrote:BREAKING# EOIN :Attack imminent on all Corbyn supporters is mass extermination exercise arm yourself comrades
Equal level both sides to be fair.
Exterminate exterminate exterminate.
".., or in a pathetic attempt to defy my unfeasibly large (& growing) mandate, stand in the path of the true forces of progress and prepare to die, crushed by my stormtroopers momentum."Corbyn holds out 'hand of friendship' to opponents, urging them to get behind the party - live
It had been a long day & Jeremy had forgotten to bring his granola bars.
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RobertSnozers wrote:No, when I managed to renew (twice, you're welcome Labour ) I just had a 'thankyou for your renewal, now give us some more money and volunteer to help us even though we don't actually give a toss what you think' email.yahyah wrote:RobertSnozers wrote:
Oh no! There's my renewal out the window
I deleted an email earlier, did you get it, from Ian McNichol.
He gave the cut off date for late renewals, presumably to be eligible to vote. Can't remember what it was.
If I missed the date for late renewals because of the membership team being too crap to deal with the volume, I shall be rather annoyed.
http://www.labour.org.uk/page/m/6e8ad97 ... 2036/VEsH/For members whose subscription is in arrears, the deadline for renewal is noon on 8 August. If your membership is in arrears, you can renew here.
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We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. – Aesop
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Eph at least in the days when you could do things via a local office you could check things more easilly,we did anyway.Then it went a more scenic route via different countries,I think Belfast was the last,I used to laugh at the doing things in person option.We never had a PCA nor a WCA it was just a matter of sending proof of savings mainly.
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Emergency Fundraising Appeal!
The secretary of state is threatening us with £150,000 cost protection order.
Dear Valued Donor,
We were devastated to hear yesterday morning, just 24 hours before our hearing today, that the Secretary of State has demanded Justice For Health raise £150,000 to cover his costs, in order to proceed with our case.
This is a staggering amount of money and we feel it is a underhand tactic to silence junior doctors and prevent us from raising our legitimate concerns in holding Mr Hunt to account. We cannot proceed with our case without raising additional funds.
It will now be up to our supporters to decide whether we can proceed, as we once again rely on you for fundraising.
Urgent help needed: new fundraising page now open!
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We now urgently need to raise £170,000 in total to allow us to proceed with our case, making this is an all-or-nothing target.
Without your support we cannot continue to seek justice for the NHS.
The secretary of state is threatening us with £150,000 cost protection order.
Dear Valued Donor,
We were devastated to hear yesterday morning, just 24 hours before our hearing today, that the Secretary of State has demanded Justice For Health raise £150,000 to cover his costs, in order to proceed with our case.
This is a staggering amount of money and we feel it is a underhand tactic to silence junior doctors and prevent us from raising our legitimate concerns in holding Mr Hunt to account. We cannot proceed with our case without raising additional funds.
It will now be up to our supporters to decide whether we can proceed, as we once again rely on you for fundraising.
Urgent help needed: new fundraising page now open!
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We now urgently need to raise £170,000 in total to allow us to proceed with our case, making this is an all-or-nothing target.
Without your support we cannot continue to seek justice for the NHS.
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If Smith is such a menace, why did Ed M judge him fit to appoint to the Shadow Health team ?
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Exterminate exterminate,exterminate.
Apologies I think I have been taken over by a Dalek.The alien invasion as predicted here is underway.
Apologies I think I have been taken over by a Dalek.The alien invasion as predicted here is underway.
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Maybe the person who can answer that is Ed?yahyah wrote:If Smith is such a menace, why did Ed M judge him fit to appoint to the Shadow Health team ?
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Plant pots on manoeuvres
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Supported Housing (Destruction of)Debate.
Supported Housing (Destruction of)Debate.
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Ed Miliband on Owen Smith -
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The above is a response to Rebecca's post, above.
“I have known Owen Smith since he entered Parliament in 2010,” Miliband wrote on Facebook. “I have huge admiration for him. His values, his loyalty, his vision, his Socialist roots. In a few short days since he announced his candidacy he has already produced exciting ideas like a £200 billion British New Deal. If he can do this in a few days, think what he can do as Leader.
“I believe Owen can build a Labour Party and a country of which we can be proud."(LabourList)
http://labourlist.org/2016/07/ed-miliba ... p-contest/
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The above is a response to Rebecca's post, above.
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Have I Got News For You
Owen Smith says Labour needs to be great at solutions not just slogans as he unveils new "Solutions not Slogans" slogan.
Owen Smith says Labour needs to be great at solutions not just slogans as he unveils new "Solutions not Slogans" slogan.