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hell. handbasket.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 99086.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
‘Unforgivable’ David Cameron put Tory interests first with referendum, says Jeremy Paxman
Prime Minister ‘put the country's identity up for grabs, and made no case for staying in Europe’, says former Newsnight presenter
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You could argue the chart shows MPs are out of touch (which in respect to our daily lives I think they are). But in respect to how leaving the EU could have devastating consequences for the country (and already has) one could argue that this simply shows the disconnect between people with knowledge (=power) and those who are denied knowledge through unequal education and a toxic press (as well as will).
You could argue the chart shows MPs are out of touch (which in respect to our daily lives I think they are). But in respect to how leaving the EU could have devastating consequences for the country (and already has) one could argue that this simply shows the disconnect between people with knowledge (=power) and those who are denied knowledge through unequal education and a toxic press (as well as will).
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Good morfternoon.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... it-process
I genuinely feel rather sorry for the man.Stephen Phillips MP: 'I can no longer live with being labelled a Tory'
In a letter to George Clark, chairman of the Sleaford and North Hykeham Conservative Association, Phillips said: “Some will label me a quitter or, no doubt, worse. Those are labels with which I can live. The label Conservative no longer is.” (Guardian)
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The Telegraph claim the Cabinet has discussed 'preparing for a snap election'.
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Any good news ?
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Any good news ?
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Not so's you'd notice (apart from the news on the ohsocynical front).yahyah wrote:The Telegraph claim the Cabinet has discussed 'preparing for a snap election'.
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Any good news ?
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Why are the Cabinet bothering to discuss it ? Don't they know it's just a tiresome canard ?
Seriously though, the Telegraph doesn't even mention the fixed term Parliament act.
75% of their website poll respondents want a snap election, so presumably the Telegraph is trying to drum up public support for one.
Seriously though, the Telegraph doesn't even mention the fixed term Parliament act.
75% of their website poll respondents want a snap election, so presumably the Telegraph is trying to drum up public support for one.
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Its quite possible that "discuss" in this context actually means "it was mentioned in passing and the swift conclusion was it wasn't a viable proposition".
IMO it might only become a real possibility if the Commons voted down A50. But that isn't (for better or worse) at all likely.
IMO it might only become a real possibility if the Commons voted down A50. But that isn't (for better or worse) at all likely.
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I don't. They've run rough-shod over parliamentary procedure for the last 6 years and not a peep from him.PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.
I genuinely feel rather sorry for the man.Stephen Phillips MP: 'I can no longer live with being labelled a Tory'
In a letter to George Clark, chairman of the Sleaford and North Hykeham Conservative Association, Phillips said: “Some will label me a quitter or, no doubt, worse. Those are labels with which I can live. The label Conservative no longer is.” (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... it-process
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Apologies for being off-topic, but this one is just so weird:
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#wheresLizTruss is trending on Twitter ![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
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I seriously never thought I would be pleased to hear Anna Soubry say anything. Shows how bad things are getting....
“I think we have to call this out and say ‘not in my name’.” [some of the media is] “inciting hatred … It needs somebody like Boris Johnson to step up and speak out. He’s our foreign secretary and he knows what the reaction of the rest of the world is as they look at our great country and are horrified. What message are we sending out to the rest of the world? Probably that this nation is in grave danger of losing the plot – and I think we might have done.”
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Fair comment, but its maybe understandable that he feels particularly betrayed by what has just happened.refitman wrote:I don't. They've run rough-shod over parliamentary procedure for the last 6 years and not a peep from him.PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.
I genuinely feel rather sorry for the man.Stephen Phillips MP: 'I can no longer live with being labelled a Tory'
In a letter to George Clark, chairman of the Sleaford and North Hykeham Conservative Association, Phillips said: “Some will label me a quitter or, no doubt, worse. Those are labels with which I can live. The label Conservative no longer is.” (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... it-process
Perhaps he held out the hope it would be better post-Cameron (rather than, if anything, worse)?
Everybody has their own "tipping point".
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Government has gone into exactly the same kind of paralysis that happened after the referendum result.
It's "Wow, we didn't expect that! Now what do we do...er...um...crikey!"
It's "Wow, we didn't expect that! Now what do we do...er...um...crikey!"
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Scots broadcaster shuts down Tory minister's aide after awkward interview - Daily Record
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'Do you want to do the interview instead?' Veteran STV broadcaster Bernard Ponsonby slaps down press officer
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'Do you want to do the interview instead?' Veteran STV broadcaster Bernard Ponsonby slaps down press officer
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Plaid won a Labour seat in Cardiff on Thursday. Labour took it in 2012 when the Lib Dems were on their way down.
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I should have forewarned people about that last link. The politician being interviewed is the odious turd Fallon, not giving a 'straightforward answer' to a very straightforward couple of questions.
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Before anyone manufactures a motive for my posting that, I did it because I've just seen in on the Western Mail website when checking Welsh news and that's the headline reporting of it. Labour also held a seat in Wales this week.
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Too late!JonnyT1234 wrote:I should have forewarned people about that last link. The politician being interviewed is the odious turd Fallon, not giving a 'straightforward answer' to a very straightforward couple of questions.
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Jeremy Corbyn Wants To Hear Theresa May's Brexit Plans 'Without Delay' - The Huffington Post - UK
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Front foot. Attack, attack, attack.
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Front foot. Attack, attack, attack.
And he insisted that all UK businesses should be given “assurances” over the impact of Brexit to match those made by the Government to Japanese car-maker Nissan before its announcement of new investment in Sunderland.
“We can’t have secret deals on Brexit, company by company,” Corbyn said.
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It's good stuff.JonnyT1234 wrote:Jeremy Corbyn Wants To Hear Theresa May's Brexit Plans 'Without Delay' - The Huffington Post - UK
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Front foot. Attack, attack, attack.
And he insisted that all UK businesses should be given “assurances” over the impact of Brexit to match those made by the Government to Japanese car-maker Nissan before its announcement of new investment in Sunderland.
“We can’t have secret deals on Brexit, company by company,” Corbyn said.
“I suspect the Government opposes democratic scrutiny of its plans because - frankly - there aren’t any plans, beyond the hollow rhetoric of ‘Brexit means Brexit’.”
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And I thought you were having a dig at Anatoly for not doing his round upyahyah wrote:Before anyone manufactures a motive for my posting that, I did it because I've just seen in on the Western Mail website when checking Welsh news and that's the headline reporting of it. Labour also held a seat in Wales this week.
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From the BBCLabour has urged the government to come out and defend the three judges behind the controversial High Court ruling on the process of leaving the EU.
"The first duty of the Lord Chancellor, Liz Truss, is to protect the independence of the judiciary, and to be frank her silence on this is embarrassing, and she's letting down the British judiciary and the British legal system. Giving judges a roasting isn't part and parcel of any healthy democracy."
Ms Truss has made no comment yet.
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Also on the BBC was an interview with Dominic Grieve. He's not happy,PaulfromYorkshire wrote:From the BBCLabour has urged the government to come out and defend the three judges behind the controversial High Court ruling on the process of leaving the EU.
"The first duty of the Lord Chancellor, Liz Truss, is to protect the independence of the judiciary, and to be frank her silence on this is embarrassing, and she's letting down the British judiciary and the British legal system. Giving judges a roasting isn't part and parcel of any healthy democracy."
Ms Truss has made no comment yet.
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Indeed.PorFavor wrote:Also on the BBC was an interview with Dominic Grieve. He's not happy,PaulfromYorkshire wrote:From the BBCLabour has urged the government to come out and defend the three judges behind the controversial High Court ruling on the process of leaving the EU.
"The first duty of the Lord Chancellor, Liz Truss, is to protect the independence of the judiciary, and to be frank her silence on this is embarrassing, and she's letting down the British judiciary and the British legal system. Giving judges a roasting isn't part and parcel of any healthy democracy."
Ms Truss has made no comment yet.
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Idle thought: could Grieve be the next Tory to go? His views seems to be completely unrepresented by the Tory hierarchy these days. Even more so under May than Cameron.
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And yet people still keep insisting there is no opposition right now.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:From the BBCLabour has urged the government to come out and defend the three judges behind the controversial High Court ruling on the process of leaving the EU.
"The first duty of the Lord Chancellor, Liz Truss, is to protect the independence of the judiciary, and to be frank her silence on this is embarrassing, and she's letting down the British judiciary and the British legal system. Giving judges a roasting isn't part and parcel of any healthy democracy."
Ms Truss has made no comment yet.
Lead story right now on the BBC is the one you've just posted from.
What more do people want?
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Saying “We say please and thank you here in Great Britain.” in some snotty fashion is so polite and pleasant and friendly isn't it.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rexit-vote" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
After ordering a beer, the barmaid told her off for failing to acknowledge traditional English pleasantries. She was bluntly told: “We say please and thank you here in Great Britain.” For Janz it was indicative of a changed atmosphere after the referendum. “Maybe I didn’t order in the most friendly way, but things like this never ever happened to me before,” she recalls. “I am more often reminded of the fact that I am a foreigner.”
Proud to be British? My. Arse.
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Farage: 'I'll be back in 2019 — and probably with a pitchfork' - The Local - Sweden
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At an awards ceremony for racists.
Presumably after his TrumpTV contract gets cancelled.
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At an awards ceremony for racists.
Presumably after his TrumpTV contract gets cancelled.
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Indeed. The opposition is being effective at the moment. And reasonably united. Here's Cooper:RogerOThornhill wrote:And yet people still keep insisting there is no opposition right now.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:From the BBCLabour has urged the government to come out and defend the three judges behind the controversial High Court ruling on the process of leaving the EU.
"The first duty of the Lord Chancellor, Liz Truss, is to protect the independence of the judiciary, and to be frank her silence on this is embarrassing, and she's letting down the British judiciary and the British legal system. Giving judges a roasting isn't part and parcel of any healthy democracy."
Ms Truss has made no comment yet.
Lead story right now on the BBC is the one you've just posted from.
What more do people want?
Yes. Exactly.[May] should avoid demonising Parliament or judges or whichever half of the population she disagrees with.
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So what has JC been up to during this week of high drama?
Anyone know?
Anyone know?
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Yes but they're unelected. Like policemen and doctors and teachers and spouses and children and parents and jugglers and TV presenters and fishermen and life boat volunteers and charity workers and care workers and .....http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 99356.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Bar Council calls on Liz Truss to condemn 'serious and unjustified attacks on the judiciary' after Brexit ruling
'A strong independent judiciary is essential to a functioning democracy and to upholding the rule of law'
We don't want any of these unelected people in Britain. Or foreigners. Or experts. Or humanitarians.
We're ####s and we're BRITISH ####s!!!!!. AND WE'RE PROUD OF IT.
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Mr Christ (Jesus to his friends) passed away some time ago I'm afraid.SpinningHugo wrote:So what has JC been up to during this week of high drama?
Anyone know?
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Indeed. The opposition is being effective at the moment. And reasonably united. Here's Cooper:RogerOThornhill wrote:And yet people still keep insisting there is no opposition right now.PaulfromYorkshire wrote: From the BBC
Lead story right now on the BBC is the one you've just posted from.
What more do people want?Yes. Exactly.[May] should avoid demonising Parliament or judges or whichever half of the population she disagrees with.
Cleverly pointing out that it is half (or very nearly) of the population.
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He was giving a speech (rousing some say) at the CLASS think tank this morning.SpinningHugo wrote:So what has JC been up to during this week of high drama?
Anyone know?
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According to SkySpinningHugo wrote:So what has JC been up to during this week of high drama?
Anyone know?
In a speech to the Class think-tank, he called for the Government's negotiating terms be transparent and accountable to Parliament.
Mr Corbyn also insisted all UK businesses should be given "assurances" over the impact of Brexit to match those apparently made by the Government to Japanese car-maker Nissan.
He said: "We accept and respect the decision of the British people to leave the European Union. But there must be transparency and accountability to Parliament about the Government's plans."
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Or, more accurately 51.9% of 72.2 % being 37.5%. What I would call "less than 40%". But I'm no expert ...PorFavor wrote:PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Indeed. The opposition is being effective at the moment. And reasonably united. Here's Cooper:RogerOThornhill wrote: And yet people still keep insisting there is no opposition right now.
Lead story right now on the BBC is the one you've just posted from.
What more do people want?Yes. Exactly.[May] should avoid demonising Parliament or judges or whichever half of the population she disagrees with.
Cleverly pointing out that it is half (or very nearly) of the population.
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Or, more accurately 51.9% of 72.2 % being 37.5%. What I would call "less than 40%". But I'm no expert ...[/quote]tinyclanger2 wrote:
Cleverly pointing out that it is half (or very nearly) of the population.
It's good not to be an expert. Apparently.
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Bumboils. You get the drift.
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Apart from the experts the TPA,Casey,Policy Exhange,Centre For Social Justice,Immigration Watch,barmaids trained in British pleasantries.
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And in actual fact, Labour's vote share held up pretty well in the seat they lost - and dropped quite a bit more in the one they heldyahyah wrote:Before anyone manufactures a motive for my posting that, I did it because I've just seen in on the Western Mail website when checking Welsh news and that's the headline reporting of it. Labour also held a seat in Wales this week.
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(though the latter may be partly explainable by the circumstances of the byelection - noncing issues)
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Not forgetting the doyen,Toby Young.
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JonnyT -your links keep proclaiming apple news,yet no information about apples.Am I missing something?Rhetorical question.
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Wail continuing another British pleasanty of having knives out for well known communist agitator Gary Lineker.
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Here he is.
What a pro.
Here he is.
What a pro.
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Yeah, pretty pathetic isn't it?tinyclanger2 wrote:Saying “We say please and thank you here in Great Britain.” in some snotty fashion is so polite and pleasant and friendly isn't it.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rexit-vote" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
After ordering a beer, the barmaid told her off for failing to acknowledge traditional English pleasantries. She was bluntly told: “We say please and thank you here in Great Britain.” For Janz it was indicative of a changed atmosphere after the referendum. “Maybe I didn’t order in the most friendly way, but things like this never ever happened to me before,” she recalls. “I am more often reminded of the fact that I am a foreigner.”
Proud to be British? My. Arse.
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He voted against this. What did Saving Labour do?SpinningHugo wrote:mobile.twitter.com/itvnews/status/794876532799848448
Here he is.
What a pro.
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