Is it because he's fat?Tubby Isaacs wrote:You know that fool from the NUS who was apparently trying to get Westminster University bombed by Jihadis?
She seems to be dating Richard Burgon...
Never heard of her.
Is it because he's fat?Tubby Isaacs wrote:You know that fool from the NUS who was apparently trying to get Westminster University bombed by Jihadis?
She seems to be dating Richard Burgon...
Ha ha.refitman wrote:Is it because he's fat?Tubby Isaacs wrote:You know that fool from the NUS who was apparently trying to get Westminster University bombed by Jihadis?
She seems to be dating Richard Burgon...
Never heard of her.
Wonder if this is Matt Zarb?Coyle is the subject of a formal complaint regarding alleged public bullying of a recently-departed member of staff
howsillyofme1 wrote:Was someone above trying to equate the decision to go to war with Brexit?
Someone who is probably the most sanctimonious poster I have ever seen seems to have its lost moral compass
Brexit is a mistake. Labour opposed Brexit. Brexit is a Tory-led decision
I don't want to rehash all the A50 again but I suggest you speak to some people who voted for Leave
I have never given any indication that I am confident I am right, it is a shame certain others indicate that they have no absolute truth...
You can have your opinion and you are welcome to it...it is just that though - an opinion... and yours is particularly valueless
And stop this fucking 'Vote Green' shit - you are about as convincing as Boris Johnson is as a Foreign Secretary.
Of course it is my fucking opinion.....and I am happy to say soSpinningHugo wrote:howsillyofme1 wrote:Was someone above trying to equate the decision to go to war with Brexit?
Someone who is probably the most sanctimonious poster I have ever seen seems to have its lost moral compass
Brexit is a mistake. Labour opposed Brexit. Brexit is a Tory-led decision
I don't want to rehash all the A50 again but I suggest you speak to some people who voted for Leave
I have never given any indication that I am confident I am right, it is a shame certain others indicate that they have no absolute truth...
You can have your opinion and you are welcome to it...it is just that though - an opinion... and yours is particularly valueless
And stop this fucking 'Vote Green' shit - you are about as convincing as Boris Johnson is as a Foreign Secretary.
That is just soooo your opinion.
Yes. Indeed it is.
For all these points i think it depends upon subsequent actions & outcome, ( however unlikely)SpinningHugo wrote:Let me give you an analogy that might help you.howsillyofme1 wrote: All this disaster that is Brexit but people still support the party that caused it
And before Hugo says that Labour are also a Brexit party because of A50 is an example of his continued undermining of a party he has never really supported....they are not but they have to deal with te realpolitik and not some desired alternative future
If the UK had not supported the Iraq War, would it still have happened? Would the murder and chaos still have eventuated?
Yes.
Does that mean the UK and its governing party at the time (the one I supported) has no responsibility for the IRaq War, as it would have happened anyway?
No.
Because the UK contributed. Everyone who contributes is responsible.
Would art 50 have been triggered regardless of T May's vote? Yes. J Reese-Mogg's? Yes. Does that mean they have no responsibility?
the Labour party imposed a 3 line whip on art 50 without conditions. Come honourable MPs (eg the consistent Mary Creagh) defied that whip and escape blame. Almost all the rest, and all the leadership, voted for Hard Brexit.
Vote for a party that didn't support that.
I'm voting Green.
All of this is correct, and indeed so manifestly so that it is unarguable with unless you are a troll.howsillyofme1 wrote: We keep being told the current Labour leader is unelectable as PM..where do people get that impression from. As with Miliband
Have they met him?
His tv interviews are different but not bad...he is not a slick salesman but I thought we did not want them anymore
Labour policies are not unpopular when explained
Labour and others have stopped a number of Tory policies since 2015
I think we should all accept that Cameron and May have been absolutely useless PM....the country is in a mess because of them. Brexit is because of them
Could it be that the media treatment of Labour has been a major contributor, ably helped by certain Labour politicians?
The media (owned in the main by tax dodging right wing scum) and a pathetic BBC will not seem to allow any positive representation of the left. The only Labour leader acceptable would we one acceptable to people like Hugo!
HindleA wrote:The frustration is that upcoming local elections,rarely discussed,and diversionary undermining related bollox,I don't at the moment give a toss if the leader is a belisha beacon called Norris.Councils have responsibilities over crucial areas of life and in the face of a Tory government,I humbly suggest in my case continued in house care staff,retention of care homes,free travel for carers,living wage and the like ,I view as a tad important.
Actually it would be better if Norris were Shadow Foreign Secretary (no disrespect to ET)PaulfromYorkshire wrote:HindleA wrote:The frustration is that upcoming local elections,rarely discussed,and diversionary undermining related bollox,I don't at the moment give a toss if the leader is a belisha beacon called Norris.Councils have responsibilities over crucial areas of life and in the face of a Tory government,I humbly suggest in my case continued in house care staff,retention of care homes,free travel for carers,living wage and the like ,I view as a tad important.
Norris for leader
I put the numbers the wrong way round. The correct figures are Lab 24 / Con 22 - not much better but marginally in our favourTubby Isaacs wrote:Their losing Housing.pk1 wrote:Health and housing are the only two policy areas where Labour were regarded as being most able to deal with, albeit very marginally, in that yougov poll.
NHS Lab 30 Cons 23
Housing L 22 / C 24
Asylum and immigration L 13 / C 29
Law and order L 13 / C 37
Education and schools L 23 / C 26
Taxation L 19 / C 30
Unemployment L 22 / C 30
The economy in general L 14 / C 38
Britain's exit from the EU L 9 / C 34
It's hard to see how these policies sit alongside any kind of soft Brexit option, or make any attempt to sway the public against going through with Brexit when it comes to the crunch. Quite the opposite, in fact. They seem to be designed to move the conversation on from the soft/hard Brexit debate to an acceptance of hard Brexit as fait accompli with the only detail to settle being what kind of hard Brexit.Tubby Isaacs wrote:Can somebody confirm?
The policies on private school fees and preferential award of contracts to firms with collective bargaining- are these only allowed because we'll be leaving the Single Market?
If so, then they need cancelling sharpish. The money and jobs at stake in the Single Market are way more important.
Absolutely, and many others tooHindleA wrote:Not this fucking" pensioner" using broader definition.
Is there really a soft/hard Brexit debate?Willow904 wrote:It's hard to see how these policies sit alongside any kind of soft Brexit option, or make any attempt to sway the public against going through with Brexit when it comes to the crunch. Quite the opposite, in fact. They seem to be designed to move the conversation on from the soft/hard Brexit debate to an acceptance of hard Brexit as fait accompli with the only detail to settle being what kind of hard Brexit.Tubby Isaacs wrote:Can somebody confirm?
The policies on private school fees and preferential award of contracts to firms with collective bargaining- are these only allowed because we'll be leaving the Single Market?
If so, then they need cancelling sharpish. The money and jobs at stake in the Single Market are way more important.
It'll be the one that involves Vaseline, if you excuse the crude imagery.Willow904 wrote:It's hard to see how these policies sit alongside any kind of soft Brexit option, or make any attempt to sway the public against going through with Brexit when it comes to the crunch. Quite the opposite, in fact. They seem to be designed to move the conversation on from the soft/hard Brexit debate to an acceptance of hard Brexit as fait accompli with the only detail to settle being what kind of hard Brexit.Tubby Isaacs wrote:Can somebody confirm?
The policies on private school fees and preferential award of contracts to firms with collective bargaining- are these only allowed because we'll be leaving the Single Market?
If so, then they need cancelling sharpish. The money and jobs at stake in the Single Market are way more important.
pk1 wrote:I put the numbers the wrong way round. The correct figures are Lab 24 / Con 22 - not much better but marginally in our favourTubby Isaacs wrote:And I said "their" instead of "they're". I had 3 words to get right. 3.pk1 wrote:Health and housing are the only two policy areas where Labour were regarded as being most able to deal with, albeit very marginally, in that yougov poll.
NHS Lab 30 Cons 23
Housing L 22 / C 24
Asylum and immigration L 13 / C 29
Law and order L 13 / C 37
Education and schools L 23 / C 26
Taxation L 19 / C 30
Unemployment L 22 / C 30
The economy in general L 14 / C 38
Britain's exit from the EU L 9 / C 34
Their losing Housing.