Monday, 5th June 2017
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Re: Monday, 5th June 2017
Introducing Theresa May in Edinburgh, Ruth Davidson said, "Let's make Britain great again!"
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I don't think that this is what any of it is about. It's about deep disenfranchisement from lives not counting.Ruth Davidson, the Scottish Conservative leader, is introducing her. She says the terrorists who struck on Saturday night “don’t like strong women”.
Utilitarian thinking.
Tory style.
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Are Scotland rejoining us or something?PorFavor wrote:Introducing Theresa May in Edinburgh, Ruth Davidson said, "Let's make Britain great again!"
I didn't realise they'd gone.
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Dear lord. She'll be tweeting about covfefe next.PorFavor wrote:Introducing Theresa May in Edinburgh, Ruth Davidson said, "Let's make Britain great again!"
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Total workforce
There were 200,922 workers employed by the 43 police forces in England and Wales on 31 March 2016, a decrease of 6,807 or 3.3% compared with a year earlier.
The number of police officers fell by 2.5% compared with the year to March 2015, to 124,066.
This was a larger fall than the previous two years, but not as large as the three years prior to that.
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Police workforce, England and Wales, 31 March 2016
Home Office
Police workforce England and Wales statistics and Policing statistics
Published: 21 July 2016
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Policing by numbers
8 May 2017
[Police officers, Police Community Support officers, Designated officers, Police staff]...between September 2010 and September 2016, the numbers for all four types decreased.
There has been a 13% cut in police officers, a 22% cut in police staff and a 36% cut in PCSOs.
Last year, UNISON produced a detailed report on the impact of cuts to police staff, called No time for community policing anymore.
We asked our PCSO members to tell us about the impact of government cuts on neighbourhood policing, and the results were saddening.
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Enough is enough, coincidentally enough, emblazoned the banners of police officers when they marched against police cuts imposed by Theresa May, who has been home secretary for six of the last seven years. In 2015 – when championing yet another round of police cuts – May slammed the Police Federation for scaremongering and repeatedly “crying wolf” over the impact of such cuts.
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Since Theresa May became home secretary in 2010 total police numbers in England and Wales have fallen by 46,700 or 19.5%
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Theresa May got some hell of a nerve patronisingly telling another candidate this is “not the time for learning on the job”.
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I'm out of words for this prick and everyone who voted for it:
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Sadiq Khan is an extraordinary person, intelligent, compassionate, competent and he works for a living.
Donald Trump is what?
Lashing out at people better qualified than he
Donald Trump is what?
Lashing out at people better qualified than he
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Ian Dunt has some though:
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we're at one of those times in history the centre doesn't hold
anthropogenic climate change and cataclysmic weapons capacity distorts the gyre into sommat else
anthropogenic climate change and cataclysmic weapons capacity distorts the gyre into sommat else
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'criticises mainstream media'
holy cow
holy cow
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Exactly.Jeremy Corbyn has now recorded a TV clip clarifying his remark early saying he supported calls for Theresa May to resign over police cuts. (See 12.39pm.) He is now saying he just wants people to vote her our of office on Thursday.
To be fair to Corbyn, asking if he backed calls for Theresa May to resign was a fairly daft question in the first place because the election makes any assessment of whether May is or or is not fit to hold office irrelevant. But if Corbyn had sidestepped the question, and answered it originally as he is answering it now, he would have saved himself a bit of bother. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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The Tartan Tories have a similar record (August 2016):citizenJA wrote:Since Theresa May became home secretary in 2010 total police numbers in England and Wales have fallen by 46,700 or 19.5%
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... olice-cuts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://stv.tv/news/politics/1362532-po ... ince-2010/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Police numbers in Scotland at lowest level since 2010
and February 2017
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39097972" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Police Scotland officer numbers to be cut by 400
This is particularly interesting (from the second link):
That is, of course, because many civilian staff have been made redundant and their roles taken by trained police officers.Mr Gormley said officer numbers had been at historic highs but said some staff had been used for corporate, rather than community roles.
But finally, the penny has dropped:
The SNP decision to create a single Scottish force (under their control) resulted in a £20M annual VAT bill for Police Scotland. Locally controlled forces could claim back VAT. (HMRC warned that this was the rule, but the SNP ploughed on regardless and then moaned at the 'unfair' Westminster rule)! They did exactly the same to the Fire Service.As part of a new strategy, Policing 2026, he said police officers would be released from corporate and backroom roles, with priority given to frontline operations and a more visible community presence.
Incompetent as TM is, she's an amateur compared with Salmond & Sturgeon.
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I don't see what the alternative to an adjustment based upon past history is. Might be higher this time. Might be lower as the election is not as finely balanced. Who knows?AnatolyKasparov wrote:That is not what I said.
ICM's result is dependent on the various age groups and demographics turning out in EXACTLY THE SAME proportions as last time. They are quite open about this.
There is at least some evidence that this will not be the case.
(and the 44% turnout of 18-24 years olds in 2015 is not - contrary to what some have asserted - "normal" but in fact very much on the low side even in recent elections)
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There are lots of alternatives to just using a basis on one election which had comparatively low participation from one key demograph....
British GE are too infrequent to have great models which probably is why the polls are so crap - the issue raised that polls may influence the final result is a good one, and one has to ask the value
The methodologies used can be discussed and compared, but there are plenty of equally valid assumptions
The raw data suggests a very close race....the differentials are in the assumptions
Nate Silver has written an article on it recently
British GE are too infrequent to have great models which probably is why the polls are so crap - the issue raised that polls may influence the final result is a good one, and one has to ask the value
The methodologies used can be discussed and compared, but there are plenty of equally valid assumptions
The raw data suggests a very close race....the differentials are in the assumptions
Nate Silver has written an article on it recently
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London attack: Every mayor in America thanks Sadiq Khan for his leadership, in sharp contrast with Trump
'Thank you, Mayor Khan, for your leadership during this crisis'
London attack: Every mayor in America thanks Sadiq Khan for his leadership, in sharp contrast with Trump
'Thank you, Mayor Khan, for your leadership during this crisis'
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Tee-hee.
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Not an expression I have heard very often.
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I would like to than Doreen from Derby for generous donation of water bottle and fag.She probably saved my life,it was fucking hot and my nicotine levels were at crisis levels.
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Now his Deputy Press Secretary has said he's "not picking a fight" with Sadiq Khan.
Now his Deputy Press Secretary has said he's "not picking a fight" with Sadiq Khan.
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Talking of picking fights...
This seems to be coming from the Tory press office. I guess because the data doesn't support reintroducing grammar schools.Becky Allen
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Except that I've been hearing the Government have been heavily briefing against me and Datalab as far left organisations. Everyone hates us?
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Oh, and Liz Truss tipped to be next Education Secretary of State.
Seriously?
FFS!
Seriously?
FFS!
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Goodnight, everyone
love,
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love,
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despicable disingenuous scum
despicable disingenuous scum
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Is there a random word generator keeping the Tory candidates on message.:
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Tory candidate says she is 'really pleased' there are food banks
Sheryll Murray was heckled by the audience after she said food banks were good for people on benefits
“What really concerns me at the moment is Jeremy Corbyn gaining power and everyone needing food banks as the economy takes a nosedive.”
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Scum indeed TC2 !tinyclanger2 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... red-online
despicable disingenuous scum
I still find the original Corbyn response hopelessly, riciculously, long-winded .
"" During the course of the full-length interview, Kuenssberg first asks Corbyn: “If we saw the kind of horror in Paris here, if you were prime minister, would you order security services on to the street to stop people being killed?”""
There are a number of reasonable replies , one of which might be --
" Of course . And what a stupid question ! "
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howsillyofme1 wrote:There are lots of alternatives to just using a basis on one election which had comparatively low participation from one key demograph....
British GE are too infrequent to have great models which probably is why the polls are so crap - the issue raised that polls may influence the final result is a good one, and one has to ask the value
The methodologies used can be discussed and compared, but there are plenty of equally valid assumptions
The raw data suggests a very close race....the differentials are in the assumptions
Nate Silver has written an article on it recently
Yes indeed.
Do you think the race is very close? You think a hung Parliament likely?
I don't.
but then, I was wrong about Miliband being PM, Corbyn being elected, Brexit and Trump.
So maybe my judgement is faulty again.
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Survation phone poll for GMB
CON 41.5% (-2); LAB 40.4% (+3); LD 6% (-3); UKIP 3% (-1); Others 9% (+2)
CON 41.5% (-2); LAB 40.4% (+3); LD 6% (-3); UKIP 3% (-1); Others 9% (+2)