Saturday 16th & Sunday 17th September 2017
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Saturday 16th & Sunday 17th September 2017
Morning all.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 47566.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Tory MP requests George Osborne is banned from party conference over Theresa May 'fridge murder' comments"
(Nadine Dorries)
edit to add, Good Morning.
"Tory MP requests George Osborne is banned from party conference over Theresa May 'fridge murder' comments"
(Nadine Dorries)
edit to add, Good Morning.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -after-all" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
also China Ummana, calls ' for a “period of silence” from the foreign secretary.'
ironic,Boris Johnson has insisted that Britain will still claw back £350m a week after leaving the EU, with much of that money preferably being spent on the NHS, as he warned critics of Brexit against treating 17.4 million voters as fools.
also China Ummana, calls ' for a “period of silence” from the foreign secretary.'
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Morning all. 'Er is not yet back indoors - looking like Monday.
Have they all gone mad at the DT?
No, no it isn't. And never will be.Tim StanleyVerified account @timothy_stanley 13h13 hours ago
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Charles Moore asks: "Is it time to place our future in Boris's hands and prepare for new leadership?"
Have they all gone mad at the DT?
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https://inews.co.uk/opinion/i-worked-do ... young/amp/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I found this interesting. Did Theresa May really believe that spreading austerity to the older generation would win younger voters? Like, "I'm in huge student debt and will never be able to afford a house and the Tories aren't going to change this, but they're going to take my gran's bus pass away so it feels much fairer now so I'll vote for them after all."I worked in Downing Street and this is how the Tories can help the young
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tinybgoat wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -after-all
ironic,Boris Johnson has insisted that Britain will still claw back £350m a week after leaving the EU, with much of that money preferably being spent on the NHS, as he warned critics of Brexit against treating 17.4 million voters as fools.
also China Ummana, calls ' for a “period of silence” from the foreign secretary.'
Chukka's attempt to brand himself as the champion of Remain is ridiculous.
He voted for art 50 without conditions. He is one of the guilty.
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As with so many "militant remainers", you sound ever more like a hard leftist two decades ago.
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Good-morning, everyone
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Good morfternoon.
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(cJA edit)tinybgoat wrote:---
[Chuka Umunna] calls ' for a “period of silence” from the foreign secretary.'
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There's something you all should know
I like Chuka Umunna
It's a personal liking, he reminds me of a friend I knew a long time ago
I like Chuka Umunna
It's a personal liking, he reminds me of a friend I knew a long time ago
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From the linked article -tinybgoat wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -after-all
ironic,Boris Johnson has insisted that Britain will still claw back £350m a week after leaving the EU, with much of that money preferably being spent on the NHS, as he warned critics of Brexit against treating 17.4 million voters as fools.
also China Ummana, calls ' for a “period of silence” from the foreign secretary.'
Those words ("fair and wise") are not ones which come readily to mind when thinking of Boris Johnson. However, Theresa May might pinch this latest word-coupling to use on her Italian visit . . .He [Boris Johnson] said Britain would “keep environmental and social protections that are fair and wise”, but get rid of other EU regulations that, he claimed, cost between 4% and 7% of GDP.
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Mr citizen was good enough to make your teaPorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.
he's handed me coffee with cream/milk
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I was perplexed by this bit from your linked article -Willow904 wrote:https://inews.co.uk/opinion/i-worked-do ... young/amp/
I found this interesting. Did Theresa May really believe that spreading austerity to the older generation would win younger voters? Like, "I'm in huge student debt and will never be able to afford a house and the Tories aren't going to change this, but they're going to take my gran's bus pass away so it feels much fairer now so I'll vote for them after all."I worked in Downing Street and this is how the Tories can help the young
Universities are better funded and more accountable than ever before. (my emphasis)
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Because they've turned students into customers who demand value for money? (I haven't read the article yet).PorFavor wrote:I was perplexed by this bit from your linked article -
Universities are better funded and more accountable than ever before. (my emphasis)
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@adam
Well, I can only assume that that's what's implied (although I don't believe it to be so) - no explanation is put forward.
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That is to say, I don't believe that universities are more accountable.
Well, I can only assume that that's what's implied (although I don't believe it to be so) - no explanation is put forward.
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That is to say, I don't believe that universities are more accountable.
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Yeah, I think that's their argument. But before the introduction of fees unis were mostly dependent on central government for their money who have a lot more clout to demand changes if they didn't feel they are getting value for money than individual "consumers"/ students do, so that's really not the case, is it.adam wrote:Because they've turned students into customers who demand value for money? (I haven't read the article yet).PorFavor wrote:I was perplexed by this bit from your linked article -
Universities are better funded and more accountable than ever before. (my emphasis)
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BBC referring to Johnson's "£350 million" claim as "controversial". Of course its nothing of the sort, it is and always was an outright fib.
When did they and other media outlets become infected with the idea that their obligation to provide "balanced" coverage meant being "balanced" between truth and falsehood?
When did they and other media outlets become infected with the idea that their obligation to provide "balanced" coverage meant being "balanced" between truth and falsehood?
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T May attempted some justification for choosing Florence for her 22 September speech.
For centuries, Britain's historical continental alliances don't typically include Florence but with other nations/regions in economic competition and military conflict against Italian regions.Asked why the venue had been picked, May’s spokesman said the prime minister...“The UK has had deep cultural
and economic ties spanning centuries with Florence, a city known for its historical trading power.”
- Theresa May to deliver Brexit speech in Florence - Peter Walker, Guardian
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'Let's just say it's a little bit your fault and a little bit my fault' and therefore no one is held accountable for egregious wrongdoing.AnatolyKasparov wrote:BBC referring to Johnson's "£350 million" claim as "controversial". Of course its nothing of the sort, it is and always was an outright fib.
When did they and other media outlets become infected with the idea that their obligation to provide "balanced" coverage meant being "balanced" between truth and falsehood?
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Individual students as education consumers don't have the power to force change
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It's like expecting individuals to choose sustainable transportation, energy and food choice infrastructure through economic means
What we can't do on our own is a lot
If government declines to represent for the good of people and country, they need to go away and let someone else do it
What we can't do on our own is a lot
If government declines to represent for the good of people and country, they need to go away and let someone else do it
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Hodgson off to a good start at Palace, I see......
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& @ PF - I agree, it does nothing of the sort but I can only imagine that's the argument. Willow your point is very good and thoroughly sensible but it goes against the religion of the market and the power of consumer choice so I doubt the government will be very interested.Willow904 wrote:Yeah, I think that's their argument. But before the introduction of fees unis were mostly dependent on central government for their money who have a lot more clout to demand changes if they didn't feel they are getting value for money than individual "consumers"/ students do, so that's really not the case, is it.
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JeSuisJuggalo?
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Stop clowning around.AnatolyKasparov wrote:JeSuisJuggalo?
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Apologies, AnatolyKasparov, please let me know what you're specifically referring to posting this if you've timeAnatolyKasparov wrote:JeSuisJuggalo?
It's my ignorance, not your fault
PorFavor responded with something funnier than hell, I know that for certain
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Its an (anti-Trump and alt-right) clown march on today.
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I assumed (rightly or wrongly) that AnatolyKasparov was referring to this -citizenJA wrote:Apologies, AnatolyKasparov, please let me know what you're specifically referring to posting this if you've timeAnatolyKasparov wrote:JeSuisJuggalo?
It's my ignorance, not your fault
PorFavor responded with something funnier than hell, I know that for certain
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/s ... lown-crazeNo laughing matter: clowns brace for impact of Stephen King's It (Guardian)
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I feel sorry for the couple getting married in the middle of it all.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Its an (anti-Trump and alt-right) clown march on today
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... washington" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Ah...thank you, everyone, I understand now
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'ignore him, Honey...'refitman wrote:I feel sorry for the couple getting married in the middle of it all.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Its an (anti-Trump and alt-right) clown march on today
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... washington" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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@PorFavor
Scary image
Read the book years ago
it's just about right
Scary image
Read the book years ago
it's just about right
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From yesterday -
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... tive-leaveHead of scandal-hit G4S detention centres is put on administrative leave
The head of two G4S-run detention centres has been placed on administrative leave after a series of scandals, the Guardian has learned.
The news is another unfortunate milestone in a difficult period for G4S, which has faced severe criticism over its management of the two IRCs in the UK. (Guardian - my emphasis)
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Administrative leave?PorFavor wrote:From yesterday -
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... tive-leaveHead of scandal-hit G4S detention centres is put on administrative leave
The head of two G4S-run detention centres has been placed on administrative leave after a series of scandals, the Guardian has learned.
The news is another unfortunate milestone in a difficult period for G4S, which has faced severe criticism over its management of the two IRCs in the UK. (Guardian - my emphasis)
Too wet for gardening I guess...
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Pity the poor Brum fan who actually got a Harry Redknapp tattoo
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goodnight, everyone
love,
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love,
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Night night, citizenJA.citizenJA wrote:goodnight, everyone
love,
cJA
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Night night.
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Yay! Civil war!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ous-tories" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ous-tories" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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I see someone let Nick Cohen out again.
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To recycle almost the exact same column for the 137th time.refitman wrote:I see someone let Nick Cohen out again.
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... rears-soar" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Revealed: universal credit sends rent arrears soaring"
"Revealed: universal credit sends rent arrears soaring"
Ministers are coming under intense pressure to put the brakes on the government’s flagship welfare reform programme, following damning new evidence that it is leaving thousands of low-paid workers unable to pay their rent and at risk of homelessness.
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... -on-thames" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
but read it after universal credit article & (in my mind, at least) headlines linked.
Actually about police raid for bombing suspect,‘You have one minute to get out’ police tell Sunbury residents
but read it after universal credit article & (in my mind, at least) headlines linked.
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LibDem conference begins today - just how excited are we all??
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https://www.libdems.org.uk/autumn_conference_17" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.libdems.org.uk/autumn_conference_17_agenda" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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If Boris Johnson is "tempting" Theresa May to sack him, could that not indicate that he feels that being sacked would work to his advantage? Or is his main aim simply to highlight her weakness?refitman wrote:Yay! Civil war!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ous-tories" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Good morfternoon.
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I think I got this from twitter, but if it was here, apologies.tinybgoat wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... rears-soar
"Revealed: universal credit sends rent arrears soaring"
Ministers are coming under intense pressure to put the brakes on the government’s flagship welfare reform programme, following damning new evidence that it is leaving thousands of low-paid workers unable to pay their rent and at risk of homelessness.
http://data.parliament.uk/writteneviden ... 48055.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Written evidence from Professor John Seddon
There were and are two hurdles to success via the current design. Of these, the first is difficult, the second is insurmountable.
The first: UC relies on a large-scale computer system. 90% of large-scale computer systems fail, 30% fail completely, 60% run wildly over budget, don’t work as anticipated, requiring work-arounds or limiting functionality (Gauld and Goldfinch 2006). If UC ever gets over this hurdle – successive reports have shown significant problems with the IT – it will not get over the second.
The second: computer systems cannot deal with high-variety demand. This is because computer systems rely on rules. The consequence is always more demand (what I call ‘failure demand’) into call centres or face-to-face services. UC claimants epitomise high variety. Private-sector organisations whose leaders have been persuaded that digital will be cheaper quickly rein back from the strategy when they see the way costs rise. They, unlike the public sector, have the rudder of profit.
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Where's everyone gone? All rushed off to the LibDem Conference?