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Wednesday 4th October 2017
Morning.
Up early in eager anticipation of our beloved serene highness's speech later today.
Though wearing protective eye wear.
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Arthur Janov, psychologist behind 'primal scream' therapy, dies aged 93
Up early in eager anticipation of our beloved serene highness's speech later today.
Though wearing protective eye wear.
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Arthur Janov, psychologist behind 'primal scream' therapy, dies aged 93
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And helmet.
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Morning A and All
Is anyone else suspicious of Boris's "gaffe" about clearing the dead bodies away.
There was a danger that May might steal the limelight from him today, but that seems unlikely now. The story becomes will she or won't she sack him. And what has he to lose either way?
Is anyone else suspicious of Boris's "gaffe" about clearing the dead bodies away.
There was a danger that May might steal the limelight from him today, but that seems unlikely now. The story becomes will she or won't she sack him. And what has he to lose either way?
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Tory plan to sideline solicitors could stretch new housing court to 'breaking point'
Tory plan to sideline solicitors could stretch new housing court to 'breaking point'
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Affordable homes in south-east England should cost £250,000 or less, says study
Affordable homes in south-east England should cost £250,000 or less, says study
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From Tubby from last night on the Mason idea of what the government might be saying to MI6 given that what they're saying in public to business,
Even if the whole thing is just metaphor, it's a good metaphor. We are in 'enemy within' territory here.
Your confidence in this is greater than mine. There is all but no doubt that there were plans within the security community in the 70s to bring the government down. I still think that the most likely thing to happen if things are looking ropey for the government in early '22 is that Corbyn will fall under a bus.He thought he was reliving '68 the other day, now he thinks it's A Very British Coup?
Oversight is better than it was in those days.
Even if the whole thing is just metaphor, it's a good metaphor. We are in 'enemy within' territory here.
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Not only does he get away with saying it in the first place, he gets away with shit like this:
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I can never, ever forgive Have I Got News For You for what it did for the public perception of this individual.
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I can never, ever forgive Have I Got News For You for what it did for the public perception of this individual.
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Davis called the civil servants helping him "patriots" yesterday.
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Rats, cockroaches and mould - the squalid slum-like conditions of the working poor under the Tories
Rats, cockroaches and mould - the squalid slum-like conditions of the working poor under the Tories
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Re Paul's point
"May would unveil measures in her speech to “make it easier for councils to build new houses for rent”. But we have not had any detail yet of what is being proposed, so at this point it is hard to assess how transformative this will be.
But, as is customary when May is about to give a speech, she has found herself overshadowed by Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary."
"May would unveil measures in her speech to “make it easier for councils to build new houses for rent”. But we have not had any detail yet of what is being proposed, so at this point it is hard to assess how transformative this will be.
But, as is customary when May is about to give a speech, she has found herself overshadowed by Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary."
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This morning's Barclaygraph front page - it used to be a newspaper.NonOxCol wrote:Not only does he get away with saying it in the first place, he gets away with shit like this:
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I can never, ever forgive Have I Got News For You for what it did for the public perception of this individual.
Worthy of Neues Deutschland at its most servile.
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Good morfternoon.
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I think the most unlikely thing about your theory is that the govt will last till '22.adam wrote:From Tubby from last night on the Mason idea of what the government might be saying to MI6 given that what they're saying in public to business,
Your confidence in this is greater than mine. There is all but no doubt that there were plans within the security community in the 70s to bring the government down. I still think that the most likely thing to happen if things are looking ropey for the government in early '22 is that Corbyn will fall under a bus.He thought he was reliving '68 the other day, now he thinks it's A Very British Coup?
Oversight is better than it was in those days.
Even if the whole thing is just metaphor, it's a good metaphor. We are in 'enemy within' territory here.
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Are people, finally, cottoning on to this?HindleA wrote:Re Paul's point
"May would unveil measures in her speech to “make it easier for councils to build new houses for rent”. But we have not had any detail yet of what is being proposed, so at this point it is hard to assess how transformative this will be.
But, as is customary when May is about to give a speech, she has found herself overshadowed by Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary."
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They have a secure working majority, the DUP despise Corbyn and MacDonnell and will go a long way to avoid them making it to government, Tory MPs will not open the door to a Labour government however much they are unhappy with what their own party is doing.gilsey wrote:I think the most unlikely thing about your theory is that the govt will last till '22.
I think we could have a lot of fairly precarious votes but I just don't believe, when push comes to shove, that backbench tories will put country before party and risk an election.
If May goes in '19 (and she looks like somebody that could go tomorrow but it seems reasonably likely that the latest she will go is after the leave date) and somebody else comes in and gets a poll bounce there is a chance they will cut and run but I can't see it happening otherwise.
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When is a council house not a council house? Unless all the Conservative crap which hems in social housing and its users is abolished, I'm unmoved by any promises (or hints) which may be made by Theresa May today.
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I understand that reasoning but I can't believe there won't be a crisis of some kind before then, given how appallingly badly they're managing everything.adam wrote:They have a secure working majority, the DUP despise Corbyn and MacDonnell and will go a long way to avoid them making it to government, Tory MPs will not open the door to a Labour government however much they are unhappy with what their own party is doing.gilsey wrote:I think the most unlikely thing about your theory is that the govt will last till '22.
I think we could have a lot of fairly precarious votes but I just don't believe, when push comes to shove, that backbench tories will put country before party and risk an election.
If May goes in '19 (and she looks like somebody that could go tomorrow but it seems reasonably likely that the latest she will go is after the leave date) and somebody else comes in and gets a poll bounce there is a chance they will cut and run but I can't see it happening otherwise.
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I've seen a rumour that the plan is for time-limited council houses to be sold on after 10-15 years with RTB.PorFavor wrote:When is a council house not a council house? Unless all the Conservative crap which hems in social housing and its users is abolished, I'm unmoved by any promises (or hints) which may be made by Theresa May today.
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I can't argue with that. I say this purely hypothetically, obviously, but statistically you would expect to see more by-elections coming up in conservative seats this parliament, partly because there are more of them than anyone else but also because for lord knows what reason by elections have been dominated by labour seats - 14/20 in 2010-15 (and only 4/20 were tories) and 7/10 in 2015-17. They dominated from 1997 to 2010 as well but there were a lot more of them then.gilsey wrote:I understand that reasoning but I can't believe there won't be a crisis of some kind before then, given how appallingly badly they're managing everything.adam wrote:They have a secure working majority, the DUP despise Corbyn and MacDonnell and will go a long way to avoid them making it to government, Tory MPs will not open the door to a Labour government however much they are unhappy with what their own party is doing.gilsey wrote:I think the most unlikely thing about your theory is that the govt will last till '22.
I think we could have a lot of fairly precarious votes but I just don't believe, when push comes to shove, that backbench tories will put country before party and risk an election.
If May goes in '19 (and she looks like somebody that could go tomorrow but it seems reasonably likely that the latest she will go is after the leave date) and somebody else comes in and gets a poll bounce there is a chance they will cut and run but I can't see it happening otherwise.
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Given where they are, it would be very surprising if they didn't carry on until 2022.adam wrote:They have a secure working majority, the DUP despise Corbyn and MacDonnell and will go a long way to avoid them making it to government, Tory MPs will not open the door to a Labour government however much they are unhappy with what their own party is doing.gilsey wrote:I think the most unlikely thing about your theory is that the govt will last till '22.
I think we could have a lot of fairly precarious votes but I just don't believe, when push comes to shove, that backbench tories will put country before party and risk an election.
If May goes in '19 (and she looks like somebody that could go tomorrow but it seems reasonably likely that the latest she will go is after the leave date) and somebody else comes in and gets a poll bounce there is a chance they will cut and run but I can't see it happening otherwise.
Under a different leader Labour might have been able to peel away the DUP, but for obvious reasons not under Corbyn.
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From Politics Live, things we've learnt from the tory conference.
They don't seem to be going to the LDs though.At the time of the referendum it was a coalition, with members predominantly but not overwhelmingly pro-Brexit and the leadership predominantly but not overwhelmingly against. Now it looks like an enthusiastic pro-Brexit party. In the hall only Brexit really seems to get them going and the most popular fringe meetings have been those addressed by hardcore Brexiteers. MPs say that pro-remain members have stayed away, and that some are leaving the party altogether.
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Re the damage done by Johnson to this country, in the eyes of those inferior foreign types:
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It is still, somehow, astonishing how little May has to say about anything that isn't nonsense.
Good comment BTL at the graun too - taking 4m people out of tax isn't true - around 4m fewer people are paying income tax - the fairest form of taxation - but are instead paying more VAT and duty and losing services they rely on.
Good comment BTL at the graun too - taking 4m people out of tax isn't true - around 4m fewer people are paying income tax - the fairest form of taxation - but are instead paying more VAT and duty and losing services they rely on.
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May claiming the NHS as a tory triumph because they've been in power for more of its life than anyone else. Possibly even better than claiming credit for the Hillsborough enquiry.
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I would be very surprised if even a Corbyn-led Labour weren't chatting to the DUP in private.SpinningHugo wrote:Given where they are, it would be very surprising if they didn't carry on until 2022.adam wrote:They have a secure working majority, the DUP despise Corbyn and MacDonnell and will go a long way to avoid them making it to government, Tory MPs will not open the door to a Labour government however much they are unhappy with what their own party is doing.gilsey wrote:I think the most unlikely thing about your theory is that the govt will last till '22.
I think we could have a lot of fairly precarious votes but I just don't believe, when push comes to shove, that backbench tories will put country before party and risk an election.
If May goes in '19 (and she looks like somebody that could go tomorrow but it seems reasonably likely that the latest she will go is after the leave date) and somebody else comes in and gets a poll bounce there is a chance they will cut and run but I can't see it happening otherwise.
Under a different leader Labour might have been able to peel away the DUP, but for obvious reasons not under Corbyn.
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I would be extremely surprised. They won't have anything to do with Corbyn.AnatolyKasparov wrote:
I would be very surprised if even a Corbyn-led Labour weren't chatting to the DUP in private.
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Energy price caps (as per Tory manifesto).
Dumb.
£2bn on social housing.
Tiny.
Extend help to buy.
Dumb.
They're dead on their feet.
Dumb.
£2bn on social housing.
Tiny.
Extend help to buy.
Dumb.
They're dead on their feet.
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It's not the cough that carries you off
It's the coffin they carry you off in.
It's the coffin they carry you off in.
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She is doomed.PorFavor wrote:It's not the cough that carries you off
It's the coffin they carry you off in.
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You think you're inured to hypocrisy in politics, but she can still take your breath away:
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"F" literally off,classic.
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Well done,Lenny
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That was awful, and almost sympathy-inducing.
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That is the conventional wisdom, yes. It doesn't have a terribly reliable record currently, though.SpinningHugo wrote:I would be extremely surprised. They won't have anything to do with Corbyn.AnatolyKasparov wrote:
I would be very surprised if even a Corbyn-led Labour weren't chatting to the DUP in private.
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Personally glad about opt out system,realise views differ.
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You can be a living donor,by the way.
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Annual Christmas Boots/RNIB Multi CD Gift Guide arrives.Last year's started off well but lost its way melodically after about the fourth hour.
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Sky News commenting on the speed at which Ministers have scuttled (my word) out of the Conference venue.
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Suggestions that this was so bad it's made her cabinet rally around her. John O'Farrell said that he learned after Thatcher's resignation that some of the spitting image stuff they did during the campaign made some wavering tory MPs stick with her...
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Oh dear, the BBC's Vicki Young rather put her foot in it on Twitter earlier.
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At least the f fell out of for and not the o out of country. Small mercies.
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She was brutal about Labour, even more brutal about the Tories
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The weakest bunch of front bench politicians for both parties in living memory. Possibly ever.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
That is the conventional wisdom, yes. It doesn't have a terribly reliable record currently, though.
You think the DUP are over the whole IRA thing?
I don't.
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Just like you, she will never ever admit she was wrong about Corbyn and Labour more generally. No wonder you like her
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Good-afternoon, everyone
I've just started looking over the news
Haven't read the thread yet either
I've just started looking over the news
Haven't read the thread yet either
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Ever reliable.