Wednesday 1st November 2017
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3 yrs ago, I asked Theresa May to act on evidence that Whips had covered up sexual misconduct. Today at #PMQs I asked her again to act."
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3 yrs ago, I asked Theresa May to act on evidence that Whips had covered up sexual misconduct. Today at #PMQs I asked her again to act."
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There is nothing more political than attempting to providing a place/avenue or discussion,advice,offloading,relaying of information/support through difficult times either in individual or more general terms etc there are numerous ways people choice to do that.If not,what is the purpose.But with that comes responsibilty,I suggest you try some.
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OK that's OUT OF ORDERSpinningHugo wrote:I see. And so calling another poster a cunt or a twat or a troll isn't provocative?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I'm not a moderator.SpinningHugo wrote:I do, genuinely, like the moderation by Paul here. What is allowed, and what is not, and by whom, is entertaining.
This place works because we set our own ground rules. The Admin here try and sense what those are and apply them. You knew that to be a provocative comment when you posted it, so why do it? It's been pointed out before that it's upsetting to other posters here, not in a political discussion sort of way, but in a more personal, emotional, well-being sort of way.
If you want I'll resign as Admin. But if the others do the same the Forum is gone, which may be your aim of course.
Now PLEASE leave it and keep the discussion to politics rather than fellow posters.
TBH, I think I'm not the main culprit when it comes to straying off politics.
But, as I say, I enjoy the moderation.
If anyone complains to me (or the other Admin) about offensive comments such as you mention it WILL be dealt with I assure you. Similar issues HAVE been dealt with in the past. It's not all about you.
Personally, I'm not going to tolerate any more of this. ONE MORE comment directed at me personally (or another poster) and it has to be trouble Hugo. I absolutely welcome a diversity of voices, but these personal attacks have no place here.
[Edited to say. SpinningHugo if you are not happy with any of this, you can message me and/or other Admin and deal with it offline. Thanks.]
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Interesting, and irrelevant I'm sure, factoid I've just discovered is that Arron Banks has a Russian wife called Katya. It is, indeed, a small world, is it not?Electoral Commission to investigate Arron Banks’ Brexit donations
Watchdog to consider whether leave campaigner broke campaign finance rules in run-up to EU referendum
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If you don't approve of the moderation here, you can always not post. Just saying like.
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1. I am VERY happy with the moderation. I hope it continues in *exactly* the same way.
2. In the spirit of help and assistance
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I am aware of my use of colloquial English in the above post. It wasn't unintentional
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Official review backs 'Hillsborough law' proposals.
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PfY
I have just deleted a post which falls foul of your (fair) last comment
Just to say though I have frequently found some of Hugo's comments unacceptable and offensive and responded in that way - I do not believe blocking or ignoring his provocation is the right response.....leaving his comments unchallenged and pointing out that many, if not all, of us do not subscribe to his view of the world is a valid response.
The only way to get around this is having a banning/strong moderation and removal of posts but I do not think you or Dan want this to be the cae - which I agree with
I have been responsible for personal attacks in the past - sometimes unfairly, and I have tried to make amends for that where possible (for example Tubby and I have buried some differences in the recent past). My views of Hugo though are very clear and I stand behind my comments about him
I would suggest that unless there is a strong moderation or banning policy then we should be able to response strongly to any of his provocations, simplistic arguments or misrepresentations - trying to do so politely has clearly not worked in the past
In the end it is up to the admin's to set the required standards and if my behaviour falls foul of that then, as AK says, it is up to me to adapt or leave.....it is not a right to be here
I have just deleted a post which falls foul of your (fair) last comment
Just to say though I have frequently found some of Hugo's comments unacceptable and offensive and responded in that way - I do not believe blocking or ignoring his provocation is the right response.....leaving his comments unchallenged and pointing out that many, if not all, of us do not subscribe to his view of the world is a valid response.
The only way to get around this is having a banning/strong moderation and removal of posts but I do not think you or Dan want this to be the cae - which I agree with
I have been responsible for personal attacks in the past - sometimes unfairly, and I have tried to make amends for that where possible (for example Tubby and I have buried some differences in the recent past). My views of Hugo though are very clear and I stand behind my comments about him
I would suggest that unless there is a strong moderation or banning policy then we should be able to response strongly to any of his provocations, simplistic arguments or misrepresentations - trying to do so politely has clearly not worked in the past
In the end it is up to the admin's to set the required standards and if my behaviour falls foul of that then, as AK says, it is up to me to adapt or leave.....it is not a right to be here
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In the spirit of helping: HindleA
"pool",is a well worn and used camouflage tactic of eugenists,in the context of what was being discussed,extreme carelessness at best.
"pool",is a well worn and used camouflage tactic of eugenists,in the context of what was being discussed,extreme carelessness at best.
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In my view you say what you say within the ground rules in the top ribbon. If people don't like what you say, they can alert Admin. That's how this place tends to work.howsillyofme1 wrote:PfY
I have just deleted a post which falls foul of your (fair) last comment
Just to say though I have frequently found some of Hugo's comments unacceptable and offensive and responded in that way - I do not believe blocking or ignoring his provocation is the right response.....leaving his comments unchallenged and pointing out that many, if not all, of us do not subscribe to his view of the world is a valid response.
The only way to get around this is having a banning/strong moderation and removal of posts but I do not think you or Dan want this to be the cae - which I agree with
I have been responsible for personal attacks in the past - sometimes unfairly, and I have tried to make amends for that where possible (for example Tubby and I have buried some differences in the recent past). My views of Hugo though are very clear and I stand behind my comments about him
I would suggest that unless there is a strong moderation or banning policy then we should be able to response strongly to any of his provocations, simplistic arguments or misrepresentations - trying to do so politely has clearly not worked in the past
In the end it is up to the admin's to set the required standards and if my behaviour falls foul of that then, as AK says, it is up to me to adapt or leave.....it is not a right to be here
Anyway I have the day job to do. Play nicely friends
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Sorry some have to work today!
Toussaint here and so am having a day of leisure
Toussaint here and so am having a day of leisure
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"The first recorded All Saints’ Day occurred on 13 May 609 CE when Pope Boniface IV accepted the Pantheon in Rome as a gift from the Emperor Phocas. The Pope dedicated the day as a holiday to honour the Blessed Virgin and all the martyrs.
In 835 CE, during the reign of Pope Gregory III, the festival was moved to 1 November and was expanded to include the honouring of all saints. It is likely that 1 November was intentionally chosen to replace the pagan feast of the dead, Samhain. The night before Samhain was a time when evil spirits roamed the land looking for humans."
In 835 CE, during the reign of Pope Gregory III, the festival was moved to 1 November and was expanded to include the honouring of all saints. It is likely that 1 November was intentionally chosen to replace the pagan feast of the dead, Samhain. The night before Samhain was a time when evil spirits roamed the land looking for humans."
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Keys, Gray and Allardyce talk football, or are they talking about something else?
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Keys, Gray and Allardyce talk football, or are they talking about something else?
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New sleep-in shift pay compliance scheme launched to support social care sector and identify back pay for workers
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New sleep-in shift pay compliance scheme launched to support social care sector and identify back pay for workers
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DoLS reform to take account of planned Mental Health Act changes
Government 'carefully considering' Law Commission proposals to reform Deprivation of Liberty Safeguards, says minister
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DoLS reform to take account of planned Mental Health Act changes
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Since it was mentioned by Mr.Skinner.The village of Newton.
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Why the two-child policy is the worst social security policy ever
Why the two-child policy is the worst social security policy ever
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Inquiry rejects press claims about 'Christian' girl fostered by Muslims
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This is very interesting. A plan so cunning.....
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Something needs to be done. This is a thing. I am going to do this.Willow904 wrote:It does seem to be a major part of the Tory voting personality to be completely unable to consider why things had previously developed in the way they did, preferring to believe petty reasons behind things which are inconvenient for them.
So speed cameras are deemed always to have been installed to make money out of innocent drivers and not at all in response to the death of someone at the hands of a speeding driver. Although it is also an idiom that it will take a death to convince the council to put in speed cameras or traffic lights or whatever they would like to see happen.
Still, can't quite work out the petty, malicious reason why lone disabled people came to be given more money that needs to be "corrected" by UC. And if it was on purpose, which I presume it was, then taking it away must surely deserve an explanation as to reasoning for why they don't need it any more.
I believe this is the thought process.
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Really, what is there left to say?
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I know not everyone has been impressed by all the decisions Labour has made regarding Europe but since the election Starmer seems to be running things very impressivelyPaulfromYorkshire wrote:This is very interesting. A plan so cunning.....
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How we could do with him in charge of the negotiations now!
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True but a bicycle pump called Cyril would be an improvement.
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Evening all. Library day today and the internet connection was horrendous.
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Government will have to release the impact studies now - or else risk Contempt of the House
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How can politicians win back low-income voters?
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Wow.
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BREAKING- Michael Fallon has resigned as Defence Secretary, admitting his behaviour in the past may have ‘fallen short’
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BREAKING- Michael Fallon has resigned as Defence Secretary, admitting his behaviour in the past may have ‘fallen short’
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THE FIRST DOMINO.......??
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Crikey Moses!
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Right, meeting now.
Maybe the 2nd one will have gone by the time I return...
Maybe the 2nd one will have gone by the time I return...
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I don't know. He could perhaps make an excellent job of delivering BINO. (I believe the 'Norway option' doesn't solve the Irish border problem so it has to be CU as well.)howsillyofme1 wrote:I know not everyone has been impressed by all the decisions Labour has made regarding Europe but since the election Starmer seems to be running things very impressivelyPaulfromYorkshire wrote:This is very interesting. A plan so cunning.....
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How we could do with him in charge of the negotiations now!
On the other hand, if staying in the EU is what's desired, the tories are much more likely to deliver such a complete shambles that public opinion turns round before the end of next year. A high risk strategy for Remainers.
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This looks like a clutch bag for meat, and left my house smelling like Gloucester Old Spot for a week
Kitchen gadgets review: Bacon Express – this toaster for bacon is the abomination we deserve
This looks like a clutch bag for meat, and left my house smelling like Gloucester Old Spot for a week
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Older people will have greater access to affordable homes with the introduction of greater flexibility to shared equity schemes, housing minister Kevin Stewart has announced.
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Older people will have greater access to affordable homes with the introduction of greater flexibility to shared equity schemes, housing minister Kevin Stewart has announced.
For the first time, older people will be able to access a range of home ownership schemes offered by the Scottish Government.
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Good thinking there ! And thankyou for BINOgilsey wrote:I don't know. He could perhaps make an excellent job of delivering BINO. (I believe the 'Norway option' doesn't solve the Irish border problem so it has to be CU as well.)howsillyofme1 wrote:I know not everyone has been impressed by all the decisions Labour has made regarding Europe but since the election Starmer seems to be running things very impressivelyPaulfromYorkshire wrote:This is very interesting. A plan so cunning.....
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How we could do with him in charge of the negotiations now!
On the other hand, if staying in the EU is what's desired, the tories are much more likely to deliver such a complete shambles that public opinion turns round before the end of next year. A high risk strategy for Remainers.
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DWP fights to block publication of Universal Credit Documents
DWP fights to block publication of Universal Credit Documents
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Labour's sexual harrassment Policy.
Labour's sexual harrassment Policy.
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Defence Secretary?
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Keir Starmer delivers the Beano? Well I never.
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Julia Hartley-Brewer has been speaking on the 'phone to Sky TV News. She thinks that if he's resigned over her knee thing it's ridiculous, but said that she hears that there are other rumours swirling around about Michael Fallon. She sounded very jolly about it all.
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Ha ha ...
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The sting is in the tail of the article --HindleA wrote:http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2017/11/ ... redit-docs
DWP fights to block publication of Universal Credit Documents
So 'staff' pointed out the obvious weaknesses of UC, the consequences of which have inexorably come to pass ?Universal Credit is in every jobcentre and UC claimants are moving into work faster and staying in work longer than under the old system. These documents fall under the exemption that allows staff to have free and frank discussions to explore, develop and come up with solutions in the conduct of public policy.”
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According to the BBC, not the case.PorFavor wrote:Julia Hartley-Brewer has been speaking on the 'phone to Sky TV News. She thinks that if he's resigned over her knee thing it's ridiculous, but said that she hears that there are other rumours swirling around about Michael Fallon. She sounded very jolly about it all.
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Evening all.
Have successfully induction cooked spaghetti bolognese
So we're sticking to tradition I see. With Labour it's money, with the Tories it's always sex. We still haven't learnt anything new of note, though, as far as I can tell. Least scandalous scandal so far. Where are the revelations?
Have successfully induction cooked spaghetti bolognese
So we're sticking to tradition I see. With Labour it's money, with the Tories it's always sex. We still haven't learnt anything new of note, though, as far as I can tell. Least scandalous scandal so far. Where are the revelations?
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Well, I'm not alone in starting to suspect this list was actually a decoy......
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@Willow904
Congratulations!
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