AnatolyKasparov wrote:SpinningHugo wrote:PaulfromYorkshire wrote:What McDonnell (and Corbyn) have said that is that talking about staying in the Single Market is unhelpful because it sounds like you're planning to stay in the EU. Because then people say you have to retain all the four freedoms etc. etc.
"Unhelpful"
The real fight starts now.
No doubt.
Pitiful stuff.
You're almost as embarrassing as Marina Hyde today.
Truth is that Labour have played a horrendously unpromising card brilliantly. The evidence is all around us.
How do you make that out?
Which votes has Labour won?
How has Labour made the case for staying in the single market? The customs union? A second referendum?
How has Labour persuaded Tory Remainers to side with them?
How has Labour FOUGHT to try and stop the people it represents becoming much poorer?
Oh I see. You don't mean any of those things. Not actual opposition. But politics as a game or sport.
I suppose if you see politics as like football, then yes adopting a fractionally more Remain-y position than the Tories is Labour's electoral sweet spot. Remainers feel they have nowhere else to go, and Labour doesn't lose any of its Lexiteers because they have Corbyn and McDonnell in charge.
Unfortunately, something that really matters is going on while Labour plays around.
I agree wholeheartedly with Marina Hyde. The claim by some that Corbyn and McDonnell wer just about, any second now, going to actually oppose any of this unfolding disaster has proven, again, to be utterly empty. Seumas was never going to do that.
Keeping his head down on Brexit has worked very well for Corbyn. But then he doesn't actually oppose Brexit. For the rest of us, it is a tragedy.